I was fooled by those it sounds like a good idea but it's not. Basically I got one of the netmd ones and I have all my cd's on the computer in mp3 format. In order to put the songs on the player you have to run the mp3's through a program that converts them to another format then uploads that song to the player very slowly. Also it only lets upload the songs to the player so many times. I brought mine back to the store and got a riot.