I got my empeg/rio off ebay and I love it, I had been looking at other products but there was always somthing I didnt like. What's with the neo-car using a full size hard drive anyway?... umm does BIG come into mind. None of the other players I have seen have the great music search like the empeg either. As a mater of fact I was in best buy when they had just got the new sony player in, the sony rep. was there setting it up and I said "thats nice, but I still like my empeg" and he said "your what?" so I brought it into the store and showed him and then he said "wow the sony sucks compared to that, look at the screen it shows all the info at once!". Not to mention what a big crowd that formed around me, with costomers and employes saying "where can I get one?"