But I would not infer that the Zen is a Skoda compared to an IPOD.

I'm sure Skodas go along roads perfectly well, carry shopping, have headlights and stuff for when it's dark and generally work fine. I'm also sure few BMW owners would switch

Zen has better sound

Now that I'm interested in. Was that with the supplied headphones? The Ipod's headphones are, by a long way, the best I've heard on this kind of device. But I haven't heard the Zen.

Peter