Yeah, let's take the discussion of whether it's appropriate for the, ahem, unnamed device to announce itself on a corporate LAN like that to an internal development forum...

I'm not sure what the cloak-and-daggerness is for... the fact that Karma uses UPnP has been publicly known at least since I explained it on the Karma Slashdot thread, if not before.

We're off-topic for Off Topic, though, so you could take it to Karma General if you like?

Peter