I can vouch for Donato's car not getting along with san francisco. Berkeley sounds like a great idea to me. I can check with the other members of my household but I might be able to have a barbeque that evening. We've got a nice deck and a hot tub (what's a trip to california with a hot tub?) and costco sells tri-tip by the pound. There's also a parking lot accross the street where we could park and check out installs, though we'd have to pay.

In Berkeley, there's also the Pyramid Brewery which would have parking and plenty of beer. Loren, can't we all just meet you at skywalker ranch and have dinner with George?

Matthew