Personally, I think of "Adore" as the album without Jimmy Chamberlain, and the lack of a strong rhythm section totally killed the album. He was back after that, and I think it showed. My point is that "Mellon Collie ..." is an outstanding album, and nothing they produced after would likely be able to stand up to it. If "Adore" had never been made, I don't think that you'd consider "Machina" to be the jump-the-shark point, and, therefore, "Adore" was simply a bad album. I could be wrong.