I'm with you Rob, I use my minidisc for bootlegging concerts (Of course last Friday (6/25/04) I was busted for the first time at a Collective Soul show. Gave them the disc, took the recorder to my car, and fortunately they let me back in). In fact recording concerts is the reason I bought it. For listening use though I only use it mountain biking or skiing. And thats only because I don't have a Karma yet.