Yeah, definitely no fluff. The only complaint I hear about the subs is that they're not the prettiest things in the world. The TN subs are like 4 or 5 feet tall. People note that it's not easy to hide something that big.

The box sub is $499 on his site now (I think it went up a little). Last I talked to a place near me, the guy told me he could get it for $350, so who knows. Thing is I don't really need a sub right now. I live in a condo, and my Tannoy speakers have plenty of punch in them. I shake the walls as it is. But, I did do a demo with the VTF sub, and let me tell you, it sounded great. I threw in some Jazz, and that little sub kept right up. Hsu's subs are definitely musical. They're not just booming/punching subs. I had two JLs (12", I think) in my Camry's trunk, and they shook my bones. It was a little too much. But, I might consider trying the Hsu one.