Both my wife and I have our Karma's and are completly happy with thim. I see no need for an iPod, and having video does nothing for me. So Karma will be my music machine for quite a while, I think. In fact, right now my commute is so short there are several drm protected songs on my Karma that haven't made it to my empeg yet.

Of course, with one of "our guys" on the inside now and the seeming invitability of iPod taking over the world, I can imagine in a couple of years the iPod having some feature we absolutely have to have, and then I'm going to have to go through the hassel of getting rid of the drm on the songs I'm buying online. What a pain.