Originally Posted By: Dignan
My apologies, but I still don't understand (or think I've even heard) your counterargument. Because again, when you say things like this, it makes me think that your proposal is that it's better to have 4 remote controls on a coffee table without a few extra buttons on them than it is to add a few buttons on there with the possibility that more homes will have a single remote on their table.

Okay. Having to add extra buttons just to satisfy people who want discrete codes to program into their universal remote via IR learning is not worthwhile when people already dislike massive remotes covered in buttons and you can get discrete codes via third party sites or from the manufacturer in several cases. As Bruno pointed out, there will be many discrete codes necessary also.

Originally Posted By: Dignan
Yeah, I came across that when I was trying to find my link. That's a single, minor line of sets from four to five years ago.

Okay. How about Samsung DLP TVs from 2002 to 2009 which have discrete codes provided as a PDF on the website. Or Panasonic Plasma TVs from 2003 to 2007 which comes in Pronto format. Various LG LCD TVs from around 2009. These are all codes direct from the manufacturer. There will be other third party sites such as remotecentral which will have more.

Originally Posted By: Dignan
I've not seen this myself. Don't get me wrong, I'd like that. I've certainly never seen IR codes included in documentation. Do you have an example of that?

See above.

Originally Posted By: Dignan
Aside from on/off, the only discretes I need to create a decent macro are inputs, and possibly something that will set the receiver's audio to some sort of auto-decode mode.

Thats still 2 for the power, say 5 for your inputs and some number for your audio inputs. 5 extra buttons just for power and inputs alone on your remote since you'd have a minimum of two anyway to handle those features.