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#101863 - 27/06/2002 16:24 Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped!
TTony
journeyman

Registered: 26/06/2002
Posts: 65
Loc: Charleston, SC
I am setting up a group buy (originally through www.twinturbo.net) for the 10GB units. I need a total of 10 participants (I have 4 already) to get a price of $520 shipped (with insurance of course) anywhere in the USA. If more than 10 are interested, the price may drop to below $500. International shipping will be extra. Please let me know if you are interested. Payment will be through Paypal.

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#101864 - 27/06/2002 17:08 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: TTony]
Phoenix42
veteran

Registered: 21/03/2002
Posts: 1392
Loc: MA but Irish born
Where are you getting ten 10gig empegs from?

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#101865 - 27/06/2002 17:15 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: TTony]
matthew_k
pooh-bah

Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
This sounds really suspect and I hope no one signs on untill there's some more information available... No one has an unlimited supply of empegs to sell any more, and I don't beleive anyone that has more than 10 of them would be trying to unload them all at once at discounted prices... Back this up with some details, however, and you'll make plenty of people happy...

Matthew

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#101866 - 27/06/2002 17:35 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: TTony]
DeadFire
addict

Registered: 30/05/2002
Posts: 695
I would be very interested in being able to pick up a second if I could, but I tend to agree with Matthew on this. Who would honestly want to sell them off that cheap if they had so many and knew what they could get for them?

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#101867 - 27/06/2002 17:45 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: matthew_k]
TTony
journeyman

Registered: 26/06/2002
Posts: 65
Loc: Charleston, SC
I would prefer not to reveal my source, then it will become a bidding war to get the units. If there are any questions about me, please read www.twinturbo.net. I have been a member there for over 4 years. I just ran a group buy on Techtom MDM-100's ($299 ea.) which had not been available in the US for over 2 years. There were 35 people who purchased those units. I have also ran other group buys on items such as gauges, etc. Feel free to post questions on twinturbo.net asking for feedback about me. I am new to the Empeg and initially started the group buy in order to get Empegs for a few other 300ZX owners. I will be writing software to interface it with my Z's ECU to control timing, fuel curves, and limiters (rev and speed). I am also a certified Paypal member. If you have any other questions or concerns, please let me know. Here is my profile on twinturbo.net:
http://www.twinturbo.net/cgi-bin/ttnet_directory.pl?forum=general&user_id=171

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#101868 - 27/06/2002 17:49 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: TTony]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31286
Loc: Seattle, WA
All I can say is... Just be careful about your source.
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#101869 - 27/06/2002 17:54 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: TTony]
ineedcolor
addict

Registered: 10/01/2001
Posts: 630
Loc: Windsor, Ontario Canada
Hey TT

Your profile link requires a log-in as a new member to twinturbo...kinda inconvenient...
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#101870 - 27/06/2002 18:09 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: ineedcolor]
TTony
journeyman

Registered: 26/06/2002
Posts: 65
Loc: Charleston, SC
I'm sure about my source. I've done lots of business previously. About the login...sorry about that. The webmaster doesn't want hundreds of people trolling the board. It happened on twinturbo.com and they ended up shutting the board down because it just became a flame war. It's really simple to logon and it's free. I'm sorry for the inconvenience but if you want to know about my history, it's something you have to do.

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#101871 - 27/06/2002 18:27 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: TTony]
ineedcolor
addict

Registered: 10/01/2001
Posts: 630
Loc: Windsor, Ontario Canada
Hey TT

I don't mean to sound harsh. However, if you scan the board you'll find that there has been a lot of threads on scams and people being burnt lately. With the player being EOL and tuners rarer than Faberge eggs, it's understandable when people are a bit cautious. Especially when it's a large number of players suddenly appearing at once. I would love to have a spare player but I don't relish losing a wad of US cash either.
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#101872 - 27/06/2002 18:31 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: TTony]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31286
Loc: Seattle, WA
The webmaster doesn't want hundreds of people trolling the board. It happened on twinturbo.com and they ended up shutting the board down because it just became a flame war.

Yeah, we've only had just a couple of those.
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#101873 - 27/06/2002 19:05 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: tfabris]
TTony
journeyman

Registered: 26/06/2002
Posts: 65
Loc: Charleston, SC
John,
I completely understand your concern. I've read about those scams also. BTW , I do not think you are being harsh.

I do have a day job as a fuel injection engineer so I do not need the money. I've been on twinturbo.net for 4 years. With over 5,000 members, I've helped (virtually and physically) or done business with quite a few of them. Like I said, I initially researched and started the group buy to help myself and a couple of fellow Z'ers to get their units relatively inexpensively. :-)

Here's my not very good quality picture (I'm in the green sweatshirt)... and no, that's not my Z.
http://www.streetchallenge.com/uploadpix/up/jlc2.jpg

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#101874 - 27/06/2002 19:27 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: TTony]
Phoenix42
veteran

Registered: 21/03/2002
Posts: 1392
Loc: MA but Irish born
Tony,
You'll find this place to be a small close knit community, who feel (and many rightly) that they know the in's & out's of the empeg from its conception.
All are to well aware of the number of empegs produced, and of their availability. So when you come striding in saying you can get ten 10GB units for $520 plus more you are going to be met with suspicion.
Now while you might be a honset individual, your supplier might not - please bear in mind we don't know either of you from Adam.
I would suggest you find some way of confirming your supply chain. The best way that comes to mind would be for you to get the serial numbers and to have them confirmed by empeg - I know someone here can do that for you.
While many here would love the chance of an empeg (any empeg) for ~$500 no one whant to get taken for a ride.

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#101875 - 27/06/2002 19:42 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: Phoenix42]
TTony
journeyman

Registered: 26/06/2002
Posts: 65
Loc: Charleston, SC
I will get the serial numbers as soon as possible. I have requested them already. I will be leaving for Hilton Head tomorrow and will not be back online until Sunday night. If you do not hear from me until then, that is why.

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#101876 - 27/06/2002 19:45 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: Phoenix42]
robricc
carpal tunnel

Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4911
Loc: Orange County, NY USA
I think it's good to be sure who you're dealing with, but you guys are acting like this is a great deal.

I submit for evidence:
A) 10GB closed for $455
B) 10GB closed for $535
C) 10GB closed for $417
D) 10GB closed for $510

$479 is the average price for recent ebay auctions. While $520 is a good deal, it's not a killer deal.
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80GB 16MB MK2 090000736

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#101877 - 27/06/2002 20:09 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: robricc]
TTony
journeyman

Registered: 26/06/2002
Posts: 65
Loc: Charleston, SC
You are only telling part of the story...
Don't forget to add the $15 shipping to all those prices. That brings the total average to $494. That is the price I expect to equal or beat with more participants. Also, some of those units are used, these are all new. The first unit I bid on E-bay went for $635 (I bid $625). I wish I had found this group buy earlier.

Dear ttonyztt, you were not the winning bidder on the following closed item:

Item Name: Rio Car 10GB MP3 Player Model RD100-10 New (Item# 1360887867)
Final Price: $635.00
Your Max Bid: $625.00
End Date: Jun-22-02 17:03 PDT

If I don't have at least 10 people in the group buy, I'm going to buy the rest of the units myself.

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#101878 - 27/06/2002 23:50 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: ineedcolor]
declain
journeyman

Registered: 30/08/2001
Posts: 68
Loc: Massachusetts, USA
If it weren't for the skepticism and the paypal as payment, I may be interested. If they are proven to be real and payment can be made in another form, let me know.

For reasons I am against Paypal, check out http://www.paypalwarning.com

I personally part of the Paypal *scam* and know of fourteen others with similar issues. They basically wait until you store up a large sum of money in the account and close it unexpectedly (for some lame reason) and find ways to never return your money.....
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#101879 - 28/06/2002 00:47 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: declain]
matthew_k
pooh-bah

Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
1) Yeah, I won't use paypal now either. They shut my account down when they tried to run a credit through on an old number that had been changed because of fraud. Then they won't turn it back on without linking it to a checking account and providing sixteen forms of ID, neither of which is something i'm ever going to do.

2) Well, you may want to check serial numbers, but I personally want to see a picture of 10 players laid out on a New York Times front page... I'd settle for a LA times or Wall Street Journal if i had to... But then, I'm not buying any players any time soon, so it doesn't really matter.

If you've got the players and all works out, I'll be happy for all involved. $500+ may not be a good deal compared to ebay, but ebay is a lot of hassle for some people...

Matthew

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#101880 - 28/06/2002 04:52 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: matthew_k]
TTony
journeyman

Registered: 26/06/2002
Posts: 65
Loc: Charleston, SC
I would take a certified check or money order also. E-mail me for my address. It's not a PO box either! Please include your screenname in the e-mail.
There is no 2.9% fee to pay on certified checks or money orders. I've found most people prefer Paypal because you can use a credit card and it gives some form of protection.

I will have the serial numbers and picture shortly. This is turning into somewhat of a hostage situation, LOL! I'm starting to feel like there is a ransom on these units. I will ship these unit via USPS. That should give you comfort because if anything illegal happens, it becomes a Federal case of mail fraud.

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#101881 - 28/06/2002 06:26 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: matthew_k]
robricc
carpal tunnel

Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4911
Loc: Orange County, NY USA
1) Yeah, I won't use paypal now either. They shut my account down when they tried to run a credit through on an old number that had been changed because of fraud. Then they won't turn it back on without linking it to a checking account and providing sixteen forms of ID, neither of which is something i'm ever going to do.

Dude, they did the same thing to me! I lost my card, they tried to run it, now my account is "restricted." Last I heard, they wanted my birth certificate, social security card, and first born to get my account running again. Thanks PayPal.
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80GB 16MB MK2 090000736

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#101882 - 28/06/2002 06:40 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: robricc]
DeadFire
addict

Registered: 30/05/2002
Posts: 695
Now I'm worried. I have been using PayPal for a while. I don't sell much on eBay, but here and there I come up with something that is still perfectly useful that I don't want anymore. I always pull the money from PayPal as soon as I get it.

Now if these horror stories are true I may just want to close the account now... even though I personally haven't had a problem with them. At least not yet.

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#101883 - 28/06/2002 06:47 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: DeadFire]
robricc
carpal tunnel

Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4911
Loc: Orange County, NY USA
Well, to their defense, it's my fault for not deleting that card from my account. I sell a few things a month on eBay and most people use eBay Payments when PayPal is not an option. I haven't had anyone complain yet that I don't accept PayPal.

I signed up a c2it account, but nobody has paid me using c2it yet.
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80GB 16MB MK2 090000736

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#101884 - 28/06/2002 06:54 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: robricc]
DeadFire
addict

Registered: 30/05/2002
Posts: 695
I say your auction for the tuners, and the many different forms of online payment you offered as alternatives to PayPal. Typically I buy more than I sell online - I know I can get things cheaper online, even with shipping costs. So usually I dig up the best deal I can find and order it that way.

Right now I am reading material on the PayPalWarning site and I'm about ready to hop over to PayPal and close down the account. There may be a time when I want to sell something expensive (certainly NOT my empeg, though), and I don't want a hassle. I hate hassles.

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#101885 - 28/06/2002 10:07 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: DeadFire]
belezeebub2
stranger

Registered: 19/04/2002
Posts: 37
Odd I have been using PayPal from the get-go put over 20000 though it in the last 2 years (perimer Business member) No problems at all... in fact when I fat fingered sending 265 bucks to the wrong person it only took them 48 hours to refund my money back (Even after the person in question excepted the cash)


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#101886 - 29/06/2002 00:56 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: belezeebub2]
justinlarsen
old hand

Registered: 31/12/2001
Posts: 1109
Loc: Petaluma, CA
ya i use paypal quite often and even have the atm card they offer, yet it dose make me wonder. I have never had a problem with them, i would hate to have one. I try not to keep over $500 with them at any given time anyways, it is a nice service.
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#101887 - 30/06/2002 14:20 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: belezeebub2]
ricin
veteran

Registered: 19/06/2000
Posts: 1495
Loc: US: CA
Same here. I've got an ATM/Debit card, and a PayPal credit card (which is actually through Providian), and I've never had any problems. I haven't had that much money flow through my account, but I've done a significant amount of business (probably 1/4th of that), and everything has gone very smoothly.
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#101888 - 30/06/2002 23:35 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: matthew_k]
pycckuu
stranger

Registered: 27/01/2002
Posts: 25
Loc: Alexandria, People's Republic ...
Yeah, for more PayPal horror stories, check out:

http://members.aol.com/TheCDSeller/paypal.html

Best,

_owen

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#101889 - 01/07/2002 01:26 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: ricin]
tanstaafl.
carpal tunnel

Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 5402
Loc: Ajijic, Mexico
Same here. I've got an ATM/Debit card, and a PayPal credit card (which is actually through Providian),

Be very, very cautious about that Providian card.

Do not ever use it unless you are fully prepared to pay the balance in full every month. They will take advantage of every line of fine print in your contract to slap user fees on you that are simply beyond belief. I know of people who got behind in their payments to Providian and ended up paying more in service charges than the amount of the purchases made on the card -- I'm talking thousands of dollars in service charges.

My very earnest and serious advice to you is: Pay the account in full, then cancel the account, then burn the card. ANY other credit card will be preferable to Providian.

tanstaafl.


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#101890 - 01/07/2002 12:15 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: tanstaafl.]
eternalsun
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 09/09/1999
Posts: 1721
Loc: San Jose, CA
Speaking of Providian. I regularly put thousands of bucks and pay off the balance in full. Used it for business essentally. They couldn't extort any sort of fees out of me at all, so a couple of months ago, they *SOLD MY ACCOUNT* to Chase Manhatten Bank. The new credit card has a much higher APR and I'm no longer using them. WTF? Is this legal?

Calvin

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#101891 - 06/07/2002 11:37 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: robricc]
oldtownx3
new poster

Registered: 31/03/2002
Posts: 11
Loc: Orange County, CA
C) 10GB closed for $417 <--heh, this one is mine. Its a great unit and everything that came with it looked new and never used, all accessories came sealed and even new remote battery in package and i got it all for $430 shipped. when I got it i upgraded it right away with hijack and loaded it up with mp3s. This was definately worth the money. I wanted one since I saw them on carplayer and well I finally have one.

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#101892 - 06/07/2002 12:44 Re: Group Buy on 10GB Mk2's - $520 shipped! [Re: eternalsun]
lockuplever
enthusiast

Registered: 30/01/2002
Posts: 264
Loc: Tucson, AZ
Providian has been investigated several times for illeagal practices, however they seem to be quiet lately. Yes, they may legally sell your account, if you do not agree with the new interest rate, you may cancel the card and continue to pay it off at the old interest rate, I think it was Ralph Nadar that got that one into play.
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