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#112392 - 26/08/2002 09:38 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: tms13]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
ROFLMAO
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#112393 - 26/08/2002 12:48 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: tms13]
Anonymous
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Let's hope they aren't good at throwing knives.

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#112394 - 26/08/2002 16:29 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: tms13]
Tim
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Registered: 25/04/2000
Posts: 1525
Loc: Arizona
Hahaha. The instructor never went over that

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#112395 - 26/08/2002 23:32 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: grgcombs]
canuckInOR
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Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
Obviously I'm not going to reveal the fact that I have a gun to a mugger until he's distracted.

I was going to say any mugger would know enough to check for guns before walking off, but then I remembered that crooks aren't an overly smart bunch to begin with...

As for defending in a knife on gun fight, you put your non-shooting arm across your chest, elbow to guts fist to neck. This can help absorb any slashes from getting to your good stuff. (better an arm than a gut I always say). For your shooting arm, you drop it into a "speed rock" position.

All well and good, but that still leaves your femoral artery uncovered, not to mention your face, and half your neck. You simply cannot cover all your vulnerable spots. You can block one, you can block two, but can you block three? My previous instructor demonstrated this one class. He chose one of the guys with faster reaction times (well, faster than me, anyway), took a training knife, and said "I'm going to stab you in the shoulder, then the thigh, then the shoulder. I will not fake. Your goal is to not let any of the cuts hit you." Once the guy said he was ready to defend, the entire demonstration took under three seconds -- the guy blocked the first, was late on the second (but managed to deflect the blow off target), was nowhere close to avoiding the third, and that was knowing exactly where the instructor was aiming. Unless I'm missing something, the only thing you can do to block is move that arm covering your gut hole -- anything else will move your waist enough to throw your speed rock positioned gun out of alignment, potentially causing you to miss -- which puts you at an even bigger disadvantage than the guy in the demonstration.


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#112396 - 27/08/2002 03:23 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: grgcombs]
andy
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Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5916
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
They're always scared and ready to get the hell away from you. Give them what they want, they may or may not cut you because they feel like it (disarm them at this point if it looks ugly), they turn away, out comes the pistol ... freeze jack-ass.

I don't know much about US law, but surely by this point it is no longer self defence, so isn't drawing the gun on them once they are running away getting onto dodgy legal ground ?
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#112397 - 27/08/2002 03:31 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: andy]
BartDG
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Registered: 20/05/2001
Posts: 2616
Loc: Bruges, Belgium
I don't know much about US law, but surely by this point it is no longer self defence, so isn't drawing the gun on them once they are running away getting onto dodgy legal ground ?

I believe in America (in some states anyway) you can also defend your goods with firearms as well as your person.

I still haven't decided for myself wether I think this is a good thing or not.
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#112398 - 27/08/2002 17:30 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: BartDG]
lectric
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Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
This is NOT true... You can only use deadly force if you are in grave personal danger. This happened a couple of days ago here and the guy that shot the robber is facing murder charges.

This link is valid only today...

http://www.wwl.com/news.asp

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#112399 - 27/08/2002 18:30 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: lectric]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Yeah, but Greg's in Texas, where they try their best to execute mentally retarded people. So anything goes, I guess.
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#112400 - 27/08/2002 19:02 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: wfaulk]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Yeah, but Greg's in Texas, where they try their best to execute mentally retarded people.

And how exactly do they tell them from the rest of the population of Texas?
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#112401 - 27/08/2002 19:04 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: tonyc]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
The retarded ones are the ones that are only slightly more intelligent than their former governor.
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#112402 - 27/08/2002 21:53 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: wfaulk]
canuckInOR
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Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
Heh. I was about to say that the one's they can't execute, they elect to office...

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#112403 - 27/08/2002 23:45 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: lectric]
Caps
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Registered: 09/07/2002
Posts: 52
Loc: Arizona, USA
I wish I was on that jury for the guy who shot the car thieves. Those guys were breaking the law by tresspassing on his property. And he shot at them from a second story window, it's not like he did it execuion style. He did the world a favor in my book, it's one less guy who could attempt to steal my stuff. And I'm sure the second guy will change his life now too.

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#112404 - 28/08/2002 00:07 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: Caps]
Anonymous
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I agree. In louisiana, if you're being carjacked or someone breaks into your house, you can shoot them dead. So if the shooter was in the car at the time then it would have been perfectly legal, but of course then you could say his life was in danger.

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#112405 - 28/08/2002 00:13 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: wfaulk]
Anonymous
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And about executing retards....He raped and murdered a girl, but they say he has the metality of a 7 year old. When's the last time you've heard of a 7 year old committing murder? It doesn't take brains to be a killer. Sharks, bears, rattlesnakes, lions -- they aren't all that bright either, but we still kill them when they kill us.

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#112406 - 28/08/2002 00:28 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: ]
Heather
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 510
Loc: NY
When's the last time you've heard of a 7 year old committing murder?

I seem to recall ( a bit fuzzy, but I'm quite drunk right now) 2 nine or ten year olds in the UK abducting and murdering a todller?
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#112407 - 28/08/2002 03:34 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: Heather]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
When's the last time you've heard of a 7 year old committing murder?

I seem to recall ( a bit fuzzy, but I'm quite drunk right now) 2 nine or ten year olds in the UK abducting and murdering a todller?


Yes, that was a shocking case. And it's pretty clear that his killers were badly mentally disturbed in such a way as to present genuine danger to the public -- just as with an adult who kills for fun. Having a mental age of seven, or ten, or thirtysomething, or a chronological age of ten, is a side issue really. In the UK we don't have the death penalty for murder, but I expect if we did that those two would have got it. Keeping people who kill for fun off the streets is the issue here; unless you allow for the possibility of reform, which some clearly do. Perhaps the answer is that if someone is ten, they'll one day have the mental age of an adult, i.e. they could still learn; an adult with the mental age of seven doesn't usually present that possibility.

Peter

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#112408 - 28/08/2002 04:26 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: BartDG]
danthep
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Registered: 29/08/1999
Posts: 209
Loc: new zealand
In reply to:

I wear a gun on a daily basis,




I've never seen or touched a gun. (unless you count water pistols)

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#112409 - 28/08/2002 04:29 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: benjammin]
danthep
enthusiast

Registered: 29/08/1999
Posts: 209
Loc: new zealand
In reply to:

I have my laptop (Toshiba) locked with a BIOS password that can only be unlocked by Toshiba




Unless toshiba have changed things in the last year, then anybody can unlock your toshiba, you just need to short a whole bunch of pins on the parallel port and it will blank the BIOS including the password.

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#112410 - 28/08/2002 07:25 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: Caps]
lectric
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Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2085
Loc: New Orleans, LA
I agree. I can't say I wouldn't have done the same, since my life WOULD have been in danger if I were there. I dunno. Tough call, It IS still just stuff, and it COULD be a misunderstanding (someone else broke in, a person investigates, and you shoot them). I'm actually glad I was not called on that one.

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#112411 - 28/08/2002 09:34 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: danthep]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
you just need to short a whole bunch of pins on the parallel port and it will blank the BIOS including the password.

Oh, that's naughty.

Clever...

but naughty.
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#112412 - 28/08/2002 16:35 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: tfabris]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
I found out that Compaq Armada laptops use the little flash chip in the batteries for more then just asset tag marking. Took me a while of working with one to finally figure out something odd was going on, so I ended up having to call support to figure out how to clear just the setup password.

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#112413 - 30/08/2002 10:04 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: lectric]
avatarTX
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 193
Loc: Dallas Texas USA
Had I come home to find the thief there, and had I a gun.. I would have used it. Here in Texas it is legal to shoot and kill a thief, as long as he is in your home. Outside is another story.

I am still angry that it happened at all. But on the other hand, I am glad I did not walk in on him, no telling if he had a gun or not, and I dont think HE would have hesitated.

Insurance.. well, I got a check from them. Not for the full value of anything.. more for their idea of replacement costs. I received about half of what I was expecting/hoping for.

The real jab is I cant spend it on replacing my stuff.. I suddenly need the money for transmission work on my car. Does it ever end?!?!

Again, I am lucky that the thief did not take my player.. and even though my car is far and away.. I now take it with me most everywhere I go. Its not safe unless its in my hands. At least until I get mugged I guess!
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#112414 - 30/08/2002 20:12 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: wfaulk]
grgcombs
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Registered: 03/07/2001
Posts: 663
Loc: Dallas, TX
Sounds like I'm no longer safe to hack and slash anyone I want ... My wife always said I have the mentality of a fox terrier.

On another note, Woohoo!!! I think they ought to have tailgate parties at executions, with a pep rally by Justice Scalia!

Just Kidding!

Greg
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#112415 - 30/08/2002 20:13 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: tonyc]
grgcombs
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Registered: 03/07/2001
Posts: 663
Loc: Dallas, TX
Hey ... you can't call me retarded until you meet me ... but then you'll have no doubts!

Greg
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#112416 - 30/08/2002 20:14 Re: Almost Stolen! [Re: wfaulk]
grgcombs
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Registered: 03/07/2001
Posts: 663
Loc: Dallas, TX
He's almost as bad as our current govenor. What's worse than a mentally deranged jack-ass in office? His replacement.

Greg
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