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- we're still working on audio players, being the audio team
- we're not working on flash players

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Sweeeet. Christmas?

- we're still working on audio players, being the audio team
- we're not working on flash players

That's all I needed to know. Thanks Hugo!

If you want a hard disk player in the short term and if you don't want the current Riot then you probably need an iPod. If you can wait then I'm sure there will be iPod-beaters around in the mid-term.

Rob

Yeah, that's what I thought also. I will get an iPod. And if you guys ever release a harddisk player comparable to it I will probably buy that one too.

> If you can wait then I'm sure there will be iPod-beaters around in the mid-term.

Case in point: the Yepp YP-900.

I like the Ipod, but it is overpriced (overpriced hardware from Apple, that never happen). They need some good competition.

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Case in point: the Yepp YP-900.

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I fail to see how this device is an "iPod-beater". It's 10GB, will sell for $399, and won't be available until February or March. The 10GB iPod sells for $399, is available now, and also includes a wired remote and a leather case in its price tag. Plus, it can store your addresses/phone numbers and appointment calendar.

Unless the use of USB2 rather than FireWire, or the ability to play WMA, is the deciding factor (which is certainly possible), it seems to me that it's essentially packing the same features (give or take - it doesn't have calendar or address book, but does have WMA audio) as the iPod into a much gaudier package, for the same price, 8 months or so late. I imagine Apple will have revised the iPod lineup again by February or March, anyway; they seem to have been doing it about every 4-6 months.

I think we can safely assume that if a real iPod-beater is going to come out in the mid-term, as Rob says, it's a product that nobody on this board outside of the Empeg guys (and possibly anybody testing it) knows about.