#13403 - 10/08/2000 01:49
Emplode Icons
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The 'sync' icon (top left in emplode, looks almost exactly as the circular arrows for undo/redo icon in windows ,but the effect is *very* different Can you please change the circular into a straight ( --> ) or Z> one?I got bit by the different meaning when trying to undo a number of changes in emplode. Instead, it synced and messed up the playlist structure! FYI: Was trying to figure out the conditons that cause emplode to crash. When cutting and pasting playlists between windows it seems to lose track of the changes and crashes: two emplode windows open - cutting from window1 and pasting to window2 shows that emplode behaves differently depending on how they are moved (playlist to playlist, title to title, or between playlist and title windows). Got my playlist structure pretty messed up now Henno mk2 6 nr 6
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#13404 - 10/08/2000 10:30
Re: Emplode Icons
[Re: Henno]
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The 'sync' icon (top left in emplode, looks almost exactly as the circular arrows for undo/redo icon in windows ,but the effect is *very* different. Can you please change the circular into a straight ( --> ) or Z> one?How about I draw some better synch icons and see if the empeg guys like them? Do you like any of these?: ___________ Tony Fabris
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#13405 - 10/08/2000 11:11
Re: Emplode Icons
[Re: tfabris]
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Hmm..looks too much like warnings.. how about the picture of the empeg w/ a checkmark going through it? -mark
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#13406 - 10/08/2000 11:17
Re: Emplode Icons
[Re: dionysus]
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Good idea, but I'm having trouble drawing a good checkmark with so few pixels. I'll try back at it later...
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#13407 - 10/08/2000 12:06
Re: Emplode Icons
[Re: tfabris]
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Do you like any of these?:
Yeah, I like most of them; pretty and good. Just to see if it improves: could you turn the connect of the last one (bottom right -- the one N connect) horizontal, so it becomes more like a Z??
Henno mk2 6 nr 6
PS: how do you do that so quickly ??
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#13408 - 10/08/2000 12:18
Re: Emplode Icons - conventions
[Re: Henno]
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Talking about icons . . .Almost all icons in emplode (except top level) end in ... This is supposed to indicate -- see MS GUI conventions -- that clicking will open a submenu of choices. Not in emplode: some commit the choice straight away -- others *do* lead to a submenu. I believe it would be nice if emplode followed the convention (which MS might have stolen from Apple, who pinched from Bell, etc) . . . Abyhow, it would make emplode behaviour more predictable Henno mk2 6 nr 6
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#13409 - 10/08/2000 13:13
Re: Emplode Icons
[Re: Henno]
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Um, that was supposed to be a lightning bolt. I guess it's drawn poorly if you couldn't tell that. What were you looking for, a letter Z? Sure I could draw a letter Z, but why? I'm not sure I see the metaphor. ___________ Tony Fabris
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#13410 - 10/08/2000 13:38
Re: Emplode Icons
[Re: tfabris]
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...The lightning bolt reminds me too much of zapped electronics:) -mark
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#13411 - 10/08/2000 13:49
Re: Emplode Icons
[Re: dionysus]
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I like the bottom right one. I like the idea of the zap. Makes me think my songs are being transfered at lightning speed.
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#13412 - 10/08/2000 13:53
Re: Emplode Icons
[Re: tfabris]
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An icon that looks like the two arrows chasing each other (from the empeg screen when syncing) would make obvious sense. That reminds me when that screen comes up, is synchronising spelled correctly? I thought the correct spelling is synchronizing.
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#13413 - 10/08/2000 14:07
Re: Emplode Icons
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I've noticed that a lot of words that we spell with a z, Europeans (maybe other non-Americans too?) spell with an s. Just another way we've changed the language I guess.
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#13414 - 10/08/2000 14:14
Re: Emplode Icons
[Re: alear]
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is synchronising spelled correctly?
I think (not 100% confident on this one) that "synchronise" is the British spelling variant of the word (like colour instead of color, etc.) and since the empeg is, after all, quintessentially British... Well, I think we should let them get away with this one. They are nice enough to allow some of their empegs to come over here to the Colonies after all.
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#13415 - 10/08/2000 14:19
Re: Emplode Icons
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An icon that looks like the two arrows chasing each other (from the empeg screen when syncing) would make obvious sense.Except that's precisely what Henno had trouble with. A circular arrow, to most Microsoft users, means "Undo". Whether it's two arrows or one, the same ingrained metaphor is there. Here, I've drawn some others based on the suggestions in this thread. It includes a two-arrow design, but they're vertical instead of circular. ___________ Tony Fabris
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#13416 - 10/08/2000 14:48
Re: Emplode Icons - conventions
[Re: Henno]
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Not quite correct. The ellipsis (...) is supposed to indicate that the application may not have enough information to complete the command immediately, and will bring up a dialog box.
Surely you mean menu options anyway? Most of the icons were *ahem* borrowed directly from MS applications.
Which ones are irritating you the most? You might want to stick this in a private email, in case we bore the people here witless.
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#13417 - 10/08/2000 14:50
Re: Emplode Icons
[Re: alear]
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The button icon in emplode is supposed to echo the spinning arrows displayed on the empeg itself during the synchronisation. It's reminiscent of the synchronise button on the Palm cradle (if anyone's got one of those).
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#13418 - 10/08/2000 14:52
Re: Emplode Icons
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I think that technically, we both changed the language. You lot left this country just before anybody bothered standardising spellings. Hence, two different spellings for quite a lot of words. This is on top of Webster's (the man, not the book) insistence on dropping "useless" letters from words like colour.
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#13419 - 10/08/2000 14:57
Re: Emplode Icons
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...a z, Europeans (maybe other...
British, certainly. Most Europeans speak another first language (e.g. French, German, Spanish, ...). How they spell English words is largely down to who they learnt it from (you or us).
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#13420 - 10/08/2000 14:57
Re: Emplode Icons - conventions
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The ellipsis (...) is supposed to indicate that the application may not have enough information to complete the command immediately, and will bring up a dialog box.
Exactly. Some of the menu items in Emplode have an ellipsis following them, but they don't bring up a dialog box or give you a chance to cancel. For example, "Synchronize..." immediately begins synchronizing without giving you any more choices.
Yes, the synchronize command makes a box appear, but that's not what the convention means. The ellipsis should only be present if the box gives you some choices (and a chance to cancel) before doing anything.
The whole idea is that the ellipsis should indicate a "safe" menu item, where nothing happens right away and you've still got a chance to cancel if you want.
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#13422 - 10/08/2000 15:02
Re: Emplode Icons - conventions
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Some of the menu items in Emplode have an ellipsis following them, but they don't bring up a dialog boxBlame Mike . I'll fix it tomorrow. Roger - not necessarily speaking for empeg
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#13423 - 10/08/2000 15:11
Re: Emplode Icons - conventions
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ellipsis following them, but they don't bring up a dialog box Yep, this is exactly what I meant.
from Roger's earlier message You might want to stick this in a private email, in case we bore the people here witless. no longer needed. Tony explained everything there's to say, didn't he?
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#13424 - 10/08/2000 15:22
Re: Emplode Icons
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that was supposed to be a lightning bolt. I guess it's drawn poorly if you couldn't tell that.Drawn OK, just couldn't find a name to describe it: yeah, lightning bolt is the right word What were you looking for, a letter Z? No, not the letter Z, but a 'lightning bolt' going from left to right (as opposed from top to bottom). This, in my humble opinion, makes it less a 'lightning bol'; more an 'interconnect'. But that's just graphics and taste. Main point is that it should not look like an 'undo'. None of your suggestions do Henno mk2 6 nr 6
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#13425 - 10/08/2000 15:30
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How they spell English words is largely down to who they learnt it from (you or us).Not always. Lots of words are borrowed from other European languages -- mostly French or Latin, which makes spelling less arbitrary. Hence preference 'colour', rather than 'color' Henno mk2 6 nr 6
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#13427 - 11/08/2000 01:06
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Some of the European countries don't even speak English at all - Italians for example - As far as I know they don't learn english either in school or private. So most of them can't speak english.
Although english is not my mother's language and I can't speak/write it very well I like it very much - mostly the idea that it's the worlds most populate language.
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#13428 - 11/08/2000 01:11
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mostly the idea that it's the worlds most populate language.
I always thought that the largest percentage of people on this planet spoke some dialect of Chinese. Did I miss a memo?
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#13429 - 11/08/2000 01:16
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Well - Maybe I forgot some small part of the world... But I think the half of Europe and all americans are a large amount, too... TeeMcBee Got my Mk2! # 080000143
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#13430 - 11/08/2000 15:37
Re: Emplode Icons
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Those brits never spelled right to begin with.
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#13431 - 11/08/2000 15:39
Re: Emplode Icons
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Certainly as a characteristic of a subset group that comprises a large % of the human population. But it hardly qualifies as a lingua franca. Not until it's understood that communications between one unrelated group and another (scientific community, the internet, etc) only then would it be the world's language.
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#13432 - 11/08/2000 15:40
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[Re: Roger]
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That's kind of interesting. Webster certainly didn't do a good job of dropping letters, there are still too many redundancies. :-)
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