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#140706 - 06/02/2003 06:41 Hangovers
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
Somebody please invent a cure for hangovers

Thank you

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#140707 - 06/02/2003 06:44 Re: Hangovers [Re: tman]
andym
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Registered: 17/01/2002
Posts: 3995
Loc: Manchester UK
WHAT WAS THAT? COULD YOU SPEAK UP?
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#140708 - 06/02/2003 06:47 Re: Hangovers [Re: tman]
Laura
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Registered: 16/06/2000
Posts: 1682
Loc: Greenhills, Ohio
<turning my empeg up as loud as I can>
Hehe.

One of my brothers once told me to drink a tall glass of cold milk to cure a hangover. He laughed while I was drinking it and then running for the bathroom. So I wouldn't recommend it.


Edited by Laura (06/02/2003 06:49)
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#140709 - 06/02/2003 07:04 Re: Hangovers [Re: Laura]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
You're both horrible for making fun of me for being dumb the night before! I'll be there next time you've got a hangover with something with lots of nice loud bass

I've tried the milk idea before. The reasoning behind it was that I'd heard people saying that you should drink milk BEFORE going out so I reasoned it may work if I did it after. And as you've found out, no it doesn't!

- Trevor

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#140710 - 06/02/2003 07:08 Re: Hangovers [Re: tman]
ashmoore
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Registered: 24/08/1999
Posts: 564
Loc: TX
The best cure I found was my baby boy!
Since he arrived a night on the town meant almost 3 beers!
Being woken up though the night and still having to get up for the morning feed at 6am sure curtails any thoughts of drinking
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#140711 - 06/02/2003 07:18 Re: Hangovers [Re: tman]
boxer
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Registered: 16/04/2002
Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
Somebody please invent a cure for hangovers

I started my career in Fleet Street in the '60's with all the journalists and surrounding characters.

If you drink consistently, day in day out, night in, night out, no such thing as a hangover can ever break into your routine - it's all just another session!
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#140712 - 06/02/2003 07:19 Re: Hangovers [Re: tman]
Anonymous
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A nice cold beer. The best cure.

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#140713 - 06/02/2003 07:25 Re: Hangovers [Re: tman]
Roger
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Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5680
Loc: London, UK
I find that eggs are good. A nice big omelette to soak up the crud left in my stomach, and to give me some energy to get started on the day.

However, most of my hangovers are dehydration-caused. A nice big 2 pint glass of cool blackcurrant squash usually helps with that. Drink it slowly, or you'll just get bloated.

The most reliable solution however, is to drink plenty of water before going to bed. If you wake up with a headache, drink some more water, take a painkiller, and then go back to sleep for another hour.

Alternatively, read this

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#140714 - 06/02/2003 07:32 Re: Hangovers [Re: Roger]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
My favorite quote from that k5 post:

"But as you lie there, cursing your fate, remember that there is no such thing as a bad drink, only a bad drinker."

Priceless wisdom.
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#140715 - 06/02/2003 07:54 Re: Hangovers [Re: ashmoore]
genixia
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Registered: 08/02/2002
Posts: 3411
Too true - it's 10 times worse having a hangover *and* responsibility.

Personally I find that having a dump can really help sort out a queasy stomach, although if it's *really* severe then a tactical chunder might be a better option. Headaches are only dealt with by drinking the appropriate amount of water, with a painkiller if necessary to help you through the re-hydration phase. Avoid paracetemol in favour of aspirin or one of the other liver-friendly painkillers.

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#140716 - 06/02/2003 07:59 Re: Hangovers [Re: tman]
David
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Registered: 05/05/2000
Posts: 623
Loc: Cambridge
Try not drinking alcohol. Works for me - I've never had a hangover.

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#140717 - 06/02/2003 08:03 Re: Hangovers [Re: tman]
Tim
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Registered: 25/04/2000
Posts: 1522
Loc: Arizona
The best thing you can do is get water and caffeine in your system (as well as an aspirin or Tylenol). Goody's headache powder is the best hangover cure on the planet (just do not inhale the stuff while going for the drink of water).

If you don't have Goody's, a coke and lots of water will work. Oh, and eat something.

Advice from someone with lots of experience...

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#140718 - 06/02/2003 08:18 Re: Hangovers [Re: David]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3582
Loc: Columbus, OH
Try not drinking alcohol. Works for me - I've never had a hangover.

Ditto. I've never consumed an alcoholic beverage, and really have no desire to.
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#140719 - 06/02/2003 08:59 Re: Hangovers [Re: JBjorgen]
RobotCaleb
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Registered: 15/01/2002
Posts: 1866
Loc: Austin
roger, roger. (the affirmation, not the pronoun) ive never touched the stuff, and as such have been hang-over free my entire life. dont intend to either.

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#140720 - 06/02/2003 09:24 Re: Hangovers [Re: RobotCaleb]
Neutrino
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Registered: 23/01/2002
Posts: 506
Loc: The Great Pacific NorthWest
I found during my long term as a drinker( have not drank for two years, thank you) that the only cure for a hangover is time. At one time I knew what the chemical by-products were that the liver produced while converting the alcohol to sugar but I have forgotten them. The toxins that are rendered are really rather nasty.
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#140721 - 06/02/2003 09:42 Re: Hangovers [Re: David]
lockuplever
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Registered: 30/01/2002
Posts: 264
Loc: Tucson, AZ
I have to agree with David, the only thing that stopped them was not drinking, and BTW, nice to see that David is still hanging out here.
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#140722 - 06/02/2003 09:54 Re: Hangovers [Re: tman]
clsmith
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Registered: 15/01/2002
Posts: 183
AlkaSeltzer Morning Relief.

It has saved me on MANY occasions.
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#140723 - 06/02/2003 10:02 Re: Hangovers [Re: clsmith]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
the best cure is a few glasses of prevention... namely water. drink as much as you can before you go to sleep to rehydrate your body. Won't get rid of everything but helps a ton.
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#140724 - 06/02/2003 10:45 Re: Hangovers [Re: loren]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31565
Loc: Seattle, WA
I'm with Loren on this one. Everything I've heard about hangovers suggests that it's mostly due to dehydration. Tod ("Commori") even talks about "hockey hangovers", the day after he plays hockey, having the same symptoms as a hangover because he's unable to keep himself hydrated enough on those nights. I also notice that if I didn't drink enough fluids on any given day, I will wake up with a headache the following morning.
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#140725 - 06/02/2003 11:42 Re: Hangovers [Re: tfabris]
Anonymous
Unregistered


Yes, and salt is good for you when your dehydrated. It doesn't seem like it would be, but it is. Something to do with electrolytes. So I'd drink gatorade or powerade because the salt content will help dehydrate you better than water.

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#140726 - 06/02/2003 11:46 Re: Hangovers [Re: JBjorgen]
Anonymous
Unregistered



Ditto. I've never consumed an alcoholic beverage, and really have no desire to.


You don't know what you're missing. I hate getting so drunk to the point that I have a hangover, but there ain't nothing like having a good drink after a long day.

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#140727 - 06/02/2003 11:49 Re: Hangovers [Re: ]
JeffS
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2858
Loc: Atlanta, GA
I drink, but I've never been drunk before. . . and never intend to.
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#140728 - 06/02/2003 13:01 Re: Hangovers [Re: ]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3582
Loc: Columbus, OH
You don't know what you're missing.

That's the point. I have no idea what I'm missing, and thus, am perfectly happy without it. Ignorance truly is bliss.

After seeing how it affected my alcoholic grandfather, I just decided it was something that I can do without, no matter how great it is.
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#140729 - 06/02/2003 13:13 Re: Hangovers [Re: David]
ricin
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Registered: 19/06/2000
Posts: 1495
Loc: US: CA
Exactly. I'm straightedge, and plan to always be.
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#140730 - 06/02/2003 13:17 Re: Hangovers [Re: JBjorgen]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12318
Loc: Sterling, VA
I agree. I don't want to get into that stuff. I have many reasons, but I've basically never had a drink. I've sipped several, but never ever cared to drink any more.

The biggest reason is that I just dislike the taste. I seem to be one of about .05% of the population who doesn't drink for this reason.

I also just dislike watching the people at the parties I've hosted who drink solely because they are underage. That's the college thing. These people just drink because they're not supposed to. They see me, who has been of age for quite some time, and they can't figure out why I never partake.

Give me a niiiice taaaall glass of milk any day. Man am I square.
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#140731 - 06/02/2003 13:22 Re: Hangovers [Re: Dignan]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Give me a niiiice taaaall glass of milk any day. Man am I square.

Homer: So, I realized that being with my family is more important
than being cool.
Bart: Dad, what you just said was powerfully uncool.
Homer: You know what the song says: "It's hip to be square".
Lisa: That song is so lame.
Homer: So lame that it's... cool?
Bart+Lisa: No.
Marge: Am I cool, kids?
Bart+Lisa: No.
Marge: Good. I'm glad. And that's what makes me cool, not caring,
right?
Bart+Lisa: No.
Marge: Well, how the hell do you be cool? I feel like we've tried
everything here.
Homer: Wait, Marge. Maybe if you're truly cool, you don't need to
be told you're cool.
Bart: Well, sure you do.
Lisa: How else would you know?


(I've really been slacking on my Simpsons-reference-of-the-day duties lately.)


Edit: And, speaking of Los Simpsons... My buddy just sent me this top 25 episodes list. Definitely some omissions on there, but not a bad list.


Edited by yn0t_ (06/02/2003 13:28)
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#140732 - 06/02/2003 13:22 Re: Hangovers [Re: ricin]
Tim
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Registered: 25/04/2000
Posts: 1522
Loc: Arizona
I'm straightedge, and plan to always be.

Straightedge straightedge, or just borderline? To me, straightedgers don't use drugs (including alcohol), are generally vegan (though that isn't necessary), no smoking, and no sex outside of marriage.

Why in God's name anybody would do that to themselves is beyond me

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#140733 - 06/02/2003 13:29 Re: Hangovers [Re: Tim]
ricin
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Registered: 19/06/2000
Posts: 1495
Loc: US: CA
Straight edge, meaning poison free/drug free. I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs. There are people who take it to the extreme, more power to them, I guess. I could never be a vegitarian. There's nothing like a good steak dinner.

Oh, and the sex thing, it's usually defined as "promiscuous sex," not complete abstinence. Like I said though, there are varying degrees, so people take things to the extreme.



Edited by ricin (06/02/2003 13:34)
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#140734 - 06/02/2003 13:40 Re: Hangovers [Re: loren]
clsmith
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Registered: 15/01/2002
Posts: 183
Agreed; The problem here is that that opportunity has been missed. Dehydration is the enemy and it takes hold after you've made yourself too stupid to remember to combat it; namely before you go to sleep or [reality] passout [/reality].

Water will help but not quickly. The body isn't capable of ryhydrating itself quickly. So any help that I can get along the way is much appreciated.

I kid you not. That 'Morning Relief' has literally got me going on the road to recovery long befoe I should've been.
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#140735 - 06/02/2003 13:40 Re: Hangovers [Re: ricin]
greggerm
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Registered: 07/12/2000
Posts: 69
Loc: Rhode Island
In addition to all the tips above, I have one to add.

I have never been so drunk as to get sick, so this goes for those who don't go to that extreme:

Besides drinking a good 1-2 pints of good old water before going to bed, I also pop a multivitamin with the water. I've found that the water takes the majority of the edge off, but the addition of the vitamin seems to eliminate it.

I remember reading that alcohol (or it's digestion) somehow removes certain B-series vitamins from the body, and that lack can lead to a bad morning. Not as bad as the dehydration part of a hangover, but it contributes.

At the very least, DRINK WATER. If you're coherent enough, perhaps a vitamin may help?

-Germ - not a health scientist by any stretch.

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#140736 - 06/02/2003 13:46 Re: Hangovers [Re: Dignan]
ninti
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Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Los Angeles
> I seem to be one of about .05% of the population who doesn't drink for this reason.

I am in that category too, though I can stomach screwdrivers well enough to get drunk off them, and have on occasion. Jello-shots aren't bad either. I do like the effects of alcohol, but it is so unpleasant to taste that I am no danger of ever being an alcoholic.

Straightedge heh? Man, take all the fun out of life.
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#140737 - 06/02/2003 13:49 Re: Hangovers [Re: Tim]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3582
Loc: Columbus, OH
he he...guess I qualify.

Except I'm definitely not a vegan. Nothin' better than a nice Texas 20oz steak.

Oh, and I don't drink coffee either . I'm really straight-edge
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#140738 - 06/02/2003 13:49 Re: Hangovers [Re: JBjorgen]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Except I'm definitely not a vegan. Nothin' better than a nice Texas 20oz steak.

Sure there is. A 40 oz steak, for instance.
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#140739 - 06/02/2003 13:56 Re: Hangovers [Re: tonyc]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
God i could go on an infinite rant on straight edge, but i'll not bore you all and further throw this off topic. BUT i did find this farking hilarious:

http://www.nothingnice.com/old/03-13-02.shtml

.. and oh so true. Not making fun of you guys, trust me i know where you are coming from.
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#140740 - 06/02/2003 14:17 Re: Hangovers [Re: loren]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
There was an old Evan Dorkin (of Milk and Cheese fame) strip that was very similar to the strip on the top of that page. I wish I could find it online.
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#140741 - 06/02/2003 14:18 Re: Hangovers [Re: loren]
RobotCaleb
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Registered: 15/01/2002
Posts: 1866
Loc: Austin
im straight-edge, but only for the reason that my life choices happen to coincide with a set standard (if you will) that was introduced in the past. i never even knew there was a straight-edge until my senior year in high school, and by that point id been living as i do for all my life.

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#140742 - 06/02/2003 14:19 Re: Hangovers [Re: ninti]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
I don't really get why you'd specifically want to get drunk and avoid the taste (as with Jello shots, screwdrivers, mimosas, Long Island Iced Teas, etc.). If you like the way orange juice tates, drink orange juice. Personally, I've very seldom been drunk, and never anywhere near the point of incoherence. But I do find an occasional beer or scotch tasty, which is the reason I drink them, not because it's alcoholic.
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#140743 - 06/02/2003 14:25 Re: Hangovers [Re: wfaulk]
jheathco
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Registered: 21/12/2001
Posts: 326
Loc: Mission Viejo, California
I always remembered straightedge people from my highschool and stuff being the ones who wore black dickies and died their hair black, got tats of X's all over them, oh.... and wouldn't do any drugs.

On a side note, what I've always found to help is to drink slowly and have a glass of water in between drinks. You'll probably have to take a leak every few minutes (excuse the wording ladies) but it works out well. Your liver can process about 1 drink's worth of alcohol per hour, just FYI.

Oh yeah, don't use aspirin. That is harsh on the stomach, and will just make you even sicker. Use ibuprofen or another alternative.
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#140744 - 06/02/2003 15:24 Re: Hangovers [Re: jheathco]
Biscuitsjam
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Registered: 22/01/2002
Posts: 355
1. Drink lots of water before going to bed.
2. Eat lots of bread or similar before going to bed
3. Sleep in

If you do those three things, you can avoid a hangover. I've gone from being an alcoholic to total abstinence back to drinking socially. I currently have a collection of about 60 different liquors. I can make any drink you could possibly want. A lot of drinks taste like crap, but if there are a number of mixtures which taste incredible. For example, if you can properly make a Buttery Nipple, Ameretto Sour, Whiskey Sour, etc. I'll post pictures if I can find the stuff to copy over the photos from my digital camera.

-Biscuits

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#140745 - 06/02/2003 15:24 Re: Hangovers [Re: tonyc]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3582
Loc: Columbus, OH
Sure there is. A 40 oz steak, for instance.

touché
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#140746 - 06/02/2003 15:27 Re: Hangovers [Re: Biscuitsjam]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
I currently have a collection of about 60 different liquors. I can make any drink you could possibly want.

Yeah, but do you have one of these?
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#140747 - 06/02/2003 15:30 Re: Hangovers [Re: Biscuitsjam]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
    I can make any drink you could possibly want.
Yeah, but is it automated?

Edit: JINX!


Edited by wfaulk (06/02/2003 15:31)
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#140748 - 06/02/2003 15:31 Re: Hangovers [Re: wfaulk]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Copycat.

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#140749 - 06/02/2003 15:32 Re: Hangovers [Re: loren]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12318
Loc: Sterling, VA
Well, I don't really understand the cartoon. I think I wasn't aware of whatever this X thing is, and I have no idea who Ian MacKaye is. The description below the strip definitely doesn't apply to me. I don't drink because I don't like how other people act when drunk.

As for covering the taste with orange juice or jello or whatever, besides me thinking that it's sort of missing the point of drinking in the first place, it wouldn't do any good. I'm serious when I say I cannot stand the taste of alchohol in anything. You know how they say "you can't taste the alchohol" in some dish? I can, and I don't like it. If it has the least amount of alchohol in it, I can't stand the taste. People I know don't believe me and have even tested me on several occasions. They'll hand me some sort of boxed chocolate, I'll taste it and say,"eww, there's alchohol in this, isn't there?"

Seriously, I have nothing against anyone who wants to drink. I just hate the taste more than any other taste I can think of.

ps-I should amend this above post. There is one single instance where I don't mind the taste of alchohol, and that is in Bananas Foster, the greatest dessert ever invented. Even then, it has to be a very specific, very sweet rum, and in that case the large amount of brown sugar does indeed cover the taste.
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#140750 - 06/02/2003 15:40 Re: Hangovers [Re: Dignan]
wfaulk
carpal tunnel

Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Ian MacKaye was the lead singer and lyricist of the band Minor Threat and was and is the lead singer/lyricist for Fugazi. He apparently coined the term straightedge and came up with the `X' on the hand symbol, which is a symbol of being a straightedge.

In other words, there's some dogma involved.

Edit: Here you go.


Edited by wfaulk (06/02/2003 15:42)
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#140751 - 06/02/2003 15:47 Re: Hangovers [Re: Tim]
JeffS
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2858
Loc: Atlanta, GA
I've only heard the term "straightedge" once before (I know, I'm kind of out of things), and I suppose I really don't qualify anyway (as I do occasionally have a drink).

I didn't drink until I was 21, and still never drink to drunkenness. There are very few drinks I enjoy the taste of (though admittedly I haven't explored very much either). A glass of wine to complement a meal can be nice, and my wife finally go me to try a Smirnoff Ice, which I absolutely love now (I know it's a "ladies drink", but do I really care ?)

As far as the other vices mentioned, drugs are definitely out, I didn't have sex before I was married, and I eat as much red meat as my wife will allow (she tires of it more quickly than I. "Steak again? That's the fourth time this week!").
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#140752 - 06/02/2003 15:57 Re: Hangovers [Re: loren]
ricin
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Registered: 19/06/2000
Posts: 1495
Loc: US: CA
The main reason I don't do any of those things is because they are a complete waste of time, money, and are harmful, in more ways than one; basically, the obvious reasons. "Straight Edge" is just a loose label for the actions I choose to take, or not to take, as the case maybe. I don't follow anyone else's philosophy, and I actually agree with that comic, and the points he made. It became a scene that people wanted to get into, something to be a part of, and some made hypocrites out of themselves. So, when I say I'm "straight edge," I merely mean that I adhere to the policy of no poison (drugs/smoking/alcohol), or promiscuous sex for reasons that have nothing to do with the origins of the term.
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#140753 - 06/02/2003 15:57 Re: Hangovers [Re: Dignan]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3826
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
The X thing is an invention of a bunch of people who need yet another group to belong to... they called themselves Straight Edge... which they gleaned from a Minor Threat song, penned by Ian Mackaye (who is now in Fugazi). The cartoon simply makes fun of the fact that most people who are all hardcore straight edge are under 21, and soon after they give up their idealism and become massive hypocrits.

I've been vehemently anti-drug/alchohol/whatever most of my life. Mostly for exactly the same reasons you listed. I hated the taste and moreso hated the way people acted... i never understood why people would want to escape reality so bad and i thought it was weak and escapist. It was and still is a big deal for me to never be dependent on some substance or thing to get me through the day. I too never heard of "Straight Edge" until i was a senior in high school... and found it interesting that my "beliefs" had some sort of movement/label behind it. I never got into it though... i hated when people would call me that.

Fast forward to now... i can't say when or where i changed exactly... but i'm now 24 and didn't have a drink until the day i turned 21, mostly because i could think of no other way to celebrate, and even then it was one drink. I guess a big part of it was realizing that not everyone who drinks is a drunken [censored]. Meeting responsible people who can have fun and not be retarded about it was key i guess. Up until two weeks ago i could also say i'd never been drunk, but i had too much wine at a friends dinner party (still trying to figure out how that happened) and my stomach was pissed. Still never been really drunk though... stupid out of control drunk, and never plan to be. I dunno... things change when you age, and i've found that saying i'll NEVER do this or that is a recipe for... well, hmm. i dunno. It just rarely rings true. Whatever that means. I still stick to my guns and have never done a drug a day in my life. (if someone tries to get in an argument about caffiene or something else being a drug, you will be summarily ignored).

Blah blah blah... etc etc....

(woops... faulk beat me to the Minor Threat thing)
Ian is still ruing the day he wrote that song by the way... he HATES the straight edge movement.
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#140754 - 06/02/2003 16:04 Re: Hangovers [Re: tonyc]
robricc
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Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4931
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Oh my. That is something I must have!

Not because I am a drunk, but that is just too cool.

While everyone is stating their drinking habits, here's mine. I drink mostly beer. Rarely do I have more than 3 in a sitting. If I drink hard liquor, it is almost always in shot form and it ends the night. I have never been drunk nor had a hangover, but I have had 7 beers once in a single sitting which I think is way too much. I smoke socially (almost never buy my own cigarettes), and I don't do any drugs. I am no kind of vegitarian, but I usually only eat red meat when I'm at a steakhouse or a place that is known for good steak. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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#140755 - 06/02/2003 16:14 Re: Hangovers [Re: loren]
ricin
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So, it looks like we pretty much agree. The stupidity that goes along with drinking, smoking, and doing drugs is just amazing. Being plastered and irresponsible just isn't my idea of fun. I have no problem with people who are responsible enough to know their limits and have just a few drinks with dinner, etc. It just so happens that I choose to not drink at all.

I would think with all of the obvious consequences to doing drugs, and smoking, that people would be intelligent enough to realize they are slowly killing themselves, and having an effect on the people they love. Sad part is, most don’t realize it until it’s too late.

My family has had a number of deaths that were alcohol and nicotine related, and THAT, I think, is my main reason for being so set in my ways. After loosing so many loved ones, and knowing exactly what caused their death, it would be incredibly naïve of me to ignore the facts.

Now, getting my sister to stop smoking… that’s another story.



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#140756 - 06/02/2003 16:22 Re: Hangovers [Re: ricin]
loren
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Now, getting my sister to stop smoking… that’s another story

if you figure out a way... lemme know... i'll use it on my brother! =]

I offered to buy him a plane ticket from Louisiana to stay with me for a week in SF if he'd quit. . . no dice. Silly bastard.
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#140757 - 06/02/2003 16:24 Re: Hangovers [Re: loren]
tfabris
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I offered to buy him a plane ticket from Louisiana to stay with me for a week in SF if he'd quit

Ah, see, you were making the assumption that he wanted to stay with you.

Now, a plane ticket to Hawaii, he might think about that one.
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#140758 - 06/02/2003 16:49 Re: Hangovers [Re: tfabris]
loren
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PSH... you don't know my little brother. He LOVES it out here. If he could afford it he'd be here already. =D You're talking the difference between $250 and a grand. =]
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#140759 - 06/02/2003 17:09 Re: Hangovers [Re: loren]
RobotCaleb
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iirc, the x started as a way of marking minors at bars. it then transformed from that to the sXe symbol it now is almost synonymous with.

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#140760 - 06/02/2003 17:23 Re: Hangovers [Re: RobotCaleb]
loren
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Yup. I think you are correct. That's what i've always heard anyhow... who knows. But it makes sense.

The best is people with insane sXe tattoos who are now drunken bastards. lol. i've met a few.
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#140761 - 06/02/2003 18:52 Re: Hangovers [Re: wfaulk]
ninti
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> I don't really get why you'd specifically want to get drunk and avoid the taste

Um, because it is fun.
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#140762 - 06/02/2003 19:05 Re: Hangovers [Re: ricin]
ninti
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> The stupidity that goes along with drinking, smoking, and doing drugs is just amazing.

People who do it to extremes are stupid, yes. But being drunk is an enjoyable experience, as is other forms of *cough* entertainment, as long as you don't do it to the extent of ruining your life and being dependant on it. For those with family histories of substance abuse problems, perhaps straightedge is a good solution. For most people having a drink or spliff is not going to do any harm.
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#140763 - 06/02/2003 19:14 Re: Hangovers [Re: ninti]
ricin
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The family members that passed away due to alcohol, especially my grandparents, would never drink to the point where they got drunk. My grandfather in particular would just have a drink every night while watching the news, hardly what I would call "abuse," never the less, it killed him.

My point being, yes, it is going to do harm over time. Same with nicotine, but people love to ignore the obviously bad consequences, especially if they can continue doing something they enjoy. "It'll never happen to me..." <shaking head>
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#140764 - 06/02/2003 19:22 Re: Hangovers [Re: ricin]
ninti
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> My grandfather in particular would just have a drink every night

There have been several studies that show that one drink a day, especially of beer or wine, is actually good for you.

Edit: Let me add two links relating to moderate drinking being good for your risk of strokes and heart attacks.


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#140765 - 06/02/2003 20:17 Re: Hangovers [Re: Dignan]
pca
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I'd never even heard the term until now. I don't drink at all, never have, and like you can't stand alcohol in anything, except maybe one or two of those chocolatey things with rum in. Even then it's a bit like a sour skittle, painful and making you wonder whether it's a good idea. I can always taste it, and it's like drinking battery acid (yes, I know what battery acid tastes like, long story, don't ask).

People keep telling me, "It's always like that at first, but you get used to it". My response is, why would I want to? I'm sure you could get used to being kneed in the nads, but I wouldn't want to do that either

I don't use any drugs, drink tea, coffee, or even like coke, which makes me an awkward sod to deal with at social events. I will drink coke, in small amounts, if there's nothing else available, but caffeine both screws with my bladder and gives me a raging headache. I used to use a bit of Red Bull to stay awake while working 20-hour days on the empeg PCBs, but don't like the taste and rarely ever drink it nowadays. (perhaps five cans in the last two years)

One of the less obvious perks of being a chemical virgin is that opiate-based painkillers such as codeine have an absolutely phenomenal effect on me. When I had an operation a couple of years ago that caused intermittent severe pain during the recuperation, I found that half the recommended dose of codeine phosphate worked for more than twice the usual time on me, with none of the normal side effects (massive constipation, for instance). It's been useful a few times since.

That said, I have no particular problem with anyone else doing any drug they wish, as long as they both fully understand the risks and don't have an adverse effect on others. It's their life, after all, and it's not my place to dictate how they live it. I don't understand why someone would want to chemically alter their outlook in such a way, especially with the common side-effects, but most people seem to enjoy it at the time.

Funny story. I went to a party a while back and got into a conversation with a couple of people I met there, on the subject of legalisation of narcotics. I and a young woman who was a lawyer in training had a long and involved argument about drugs, but from viewpoints that the onlookers found odd. I don't use any drugs at all, but tend to think that careful legalisation or at least decriminalisation of many of the less lethal ones would have a beneficial effect. The young lawyerette was both drinking and smoking, and freely admitted to using at least two less legal narcotics in the form of pot and cocaine, but was vehemently opposed to any legalisation of either, and in fact was quite keen on the banning of both alcohol and tobacco. Her reasons were that people like herself didn't have the willpower to avoid drugs, and legally restricting them was in her best interests.

She didn't seem to realise the irony inherent in the fact that even though weed and coke are already illegal she still didn't seem to have any problem getting them, but then she was both pissed and a little stoned

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#140766 - 06/02/2003 21:25 Re: Hangovers [Re: ninti]
ricin
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I'm well aware of that, however, most people do not drink in moderation all the time. For the few that have the discipline, good for them. I, on the other hand, will still never drink.
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#140767 - 06/02/2003 21:31 Re: Hangovers [Re: ]
lectric
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For the record, drinking Gatorade or somethink of that ilk is a bad idea. The electrolytes help the alcohol get absorbed into the liver, which is where you'd rather not have it. It is far better to -=ahem=- pass the alcohol without the liver processing it. When I say better, bear in mind that I am talking about long-term health, not avoiding hangovers.

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#140768 - 06/02/2003 21:49 Re: Hangovers [Re: pca]
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The young lawyerette was both drinking and smoking, and freely admitted to using at least two less legal narcotics in the form of pot and cocaine, but was vehemently opposed to any legalisation of either, and in fact was quite keen on the banning of both alcohol and tobacco.


You can tell that she was a lawyer-in-training...A fully-fledged lawyer would realise that legalising one's own vices could prevent a career-destroying conviction.

Has anyone else noticed that the Brits are conspicuous by their absence in this beer-related discussion?
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#140769 - 06/02/2003 22:08 Re: Hangovers [Re: pca]
canuckInOR
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I don't use any drugs, drink tea, coffee, or even like coke,

That sounds familiar. I used to do coffee , but after a 36 hour stretch where I kept awake by drinking 3 1/2 pots and a six-pack of coke, I don't anymore. As for coke (as in Coca-Cola, the brand, which is all I drank, as well as just pop in general)? The carbonation just disrupts my digestive system to the point of horrific stomach cramps.

I'd agree with the pain-killer thing too, even though I rarely even do those. I seperated my shoulder a few years ago, and it never even occurred to me that I ought to get a prescription for pain. I didn't sleep so well some nights, but *shrug*.

I don't think I'm in that .05% of people that can't get past the taste -- I've never gotten past the smell enough to want it in my mouth -- but I don't mind (some) food that has it. Can't stand tiramisu, or other rum based things, though. Foul stuff. I'm not sure what I'll do when I go travelling in those parts of Europe where the wine is better than the water.




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#140770 - 07/02/2003 01:23 Re: Hangovers [Re: canuckInOR]
Biscuitsjam
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Personally, I don't like a lot of kinds of alcohol; for instance, I am not a big fan of most (not all) gin, scotch, or brandy, but I like vodka, bourbon, spiced rum, a lot of liqueurs and cordials, etc.

Different alcohols have different flavours. Also, coming up with the right mixtures will cancel out any of the strong liquor flavours while leaving a good taste. A popular drink is the Long Island Iced Tea (most liquor for least money) contains equal parts vodka, light rum, light tequila, triple sec, and gin, with a splash of lemon and Coke. If made right, it tastes like a real Iced Tea, but without the liquor flavour. Most bartenders couldn't pour a good LIT if their life depended on it, so I wouldn't recommend you order one.

I think few people could honestly say they dislike a Margarita or a Pina Colada. Also, you might want to try something like Irish Cream (comes premixed half cream / half irish whiskey) or some of the schnaps out there (butterscotch, peppermint, apricot). The butterscotch schnapps, for example, tastes just like butterscotch candy. A mixture of 1 part Bailey's Irish Cream and 3 parts butterscotch schnapps makes a very nice beverage (add a small amount of Vodka and you have a decently strong drink called a Buttery Nipple).

If you say you hate the taste of liquor, you obviously haven't tried the right things. A lot of people don't care about flavour and just want to get drunk, or they've acquired a taste for straight bourbon. Go out and try a margarita or buttery nipple and see what you think.

Personally, I think I'm going to make myself a White Russian (vodka, coffee liqueur, creme) or a Whiskey Sour (bourbon and sour mix, with a splash of lemon and a few drops of angustora bitters). You can't taste the alcohol if you mix either of those right.

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#140771 - 07/02/2003 01:37 Re: Hangovers [Re: Biscuitsjam]
Dignan
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I think few people could honestly say they dislike a Margarita or a Pina Colada

I guess I'm just one of a few!
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#140772 - 07/02/2003 01:57 Re: Hangovers [Re: Biscuitsjam]
robricc
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Personally, I think I'm going to make myself a White Russian

Those are good. I drank those for a while because The Dude drank them. Before seeing that movie, I always thought of a White Russian as a 'girl's drink.' There was no good reason behind that thinking though (maybe it was the milk). I haven't had one in a while, but I thank The Dude for opening my eyes.
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#140773 - 07/02/2003 02:30 Re: Hangovers [Re: robricc]
Dignan
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I'd like to say that I've been up all night working on an exam, and I didn't drink any coffee (never have, actually).

Of course, I did keep myself up with a hot pocket, a glass of coke, and two flavorice Not good for me but ohhh so delicious


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#140774 - 07/02/2003 04:28 Re: Hangovers [Re: pca]
BartDG
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I don't drink at all, never have, and like you can't stand alcohol in anything, except maybe one or two of those chocolatey things with rum in

I'm exactly the same. It's not that I have anything against alcohol, I just don't like the taste.

I guess this is because I'm such a sweet tooth, and alcoholic drinks are mostly NOT sweet. Besides, I have such weak bowels that every excession is severely punished the day after if you know what I mean. This is not a problem for me because -as said- I don't care much for the taste anyway so I don't miss it.

However this HAS made me a very wanted object to go to party's with. Why? Because I'm the always the sober one and so I'm ALWAYS the sucker that has to drive, that's why.
I don't even mind that much. I've been in a few situations with my drunk friends that were farking hilarious. I didn't have to be drunk to enjoy them, and at least I can remember them.
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#140775 - 07/02/2003 04:40 Re: Hangovers [Re: genixia]
peter
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Has anyone else noticed that the Brits are conspicuous by their absence in this beer-related discussion?

It's a timezone thing. All the Brits were out on the razz while that conversation was going on. [hic]

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#140776 - 07/02/2003 04:55 Re: Hangovers [Re: genixia]
JeffS
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Has anyone else noticed that the Brits are conspicuous by their absence in this beer-related discussion?

Start a thread on gun control and see how many Texans show up.
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#140777 - 07/02/2003 05:13 Re: Hangovers [Re: peter]
frog51
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Well, the Scots are here now - and I have been made to feel very alcoholic by everyone elses responses

I am not really a fan of beer (well, occasionally I'll have a case of Stella or something similar, but it increases the percentage of time spent going to the bathroom, so is inefficient) so I tend to go for cocktails and hard spirits.

I guess traditionally in northern Scotland we are used to going to the cinema with a halfie of vodka from about 13 or 14 years old (that's 350ml-ish) and even now, with two kids under 3, every now and then we'll have a night in with 2 friends of ours and it is not unknown for the 4 of us to get through a case of beer, 6 or 7 bottles of wine and some whiskies, alcopops, white/black russians and some g&t's.

Here, though, the hangover cure is a huge bacon/sausage/egg fryup and copious quantities of Irn Bru.
Irn Bru is the best hangover cure in the world, and in Scotland is the only soft drink which outsells Coke. It is also a lovely natural glowing orange colour!

I have to say that avoiding beer and wine, and just drinking cocktails ensures never having a hangover. You can get through 6 or 7 pints of black russian and feel fine the next day, as it hydrates you along the way.

In fact the mornings I have felt worst have been after non-drinking nights when I have had 12 or15 Red Bull's. They really screw you up

If I can get to Amersfoort, I think I may challenge everyone to a drinking contest to uphold my national pride...(best not mention I'm only Scottish by way of being born here, actually half Australian, half English)
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#140778 - 07/02/2003 07:30 Re: Hangovers [Re: robricc]
wfaulk
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I thought one of the funniest things in that movie was him trying to make a white russian, not being able to find any cream, and settling on using powdered non-dairy creamer.
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#140779 - 07/02/2003 10:05 Re: Hangovers [Re: wfaulk]
loren
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That is my all time favorite movie. I can quote nearly the whole damn thing. Brilliance. in fact... that movie is why we named our webhosting biz "logjamming.com". (i know i know... in the movie it's "logjammin'"... but my partner wouldn't have it.
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#140780 - 07/02/2003 10:41 Re: Hangovers [Re: loren]
lockuplever
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When he crashed his car I laughed so hard I almost fell off the couch, I'm laughing while I'm typing this!
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#140781 - 07/02/2003 11:00 Re: Hangovers [Re: lockuplever]
loren
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which time?! hahaha.
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#140782 - 07/02/2003 13:49 Re: Hangovers [Re: loren]
lockuplever
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When he dropped the roach and hit a dumpster.
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#140783 - 09/02/2003 02:49 Re: Hangovers [Re: lockuplever]
jheathco
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Funny, because I was totally against any drugs (including alcohol) before coming to college. Even up at college I looked down upon those who drank and partied and such. Tried having a few beers once with some buddies, and now I drink occasionally (although I still hate the taste of alcohol). I guess I'm the opposite, because I don't drink for the taste, I can't stand it. I drink to get a little buzz and just have a good time. I think it would have been really hard to go thru college without getting at least buzzed once... lots and lots of self-control
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#140784 - 09/02/2003 02:53 Re: Hangovers [Re: jheathco]
jheathco
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Hah classic. Had to chime in about the Big Lebowski... that is probably one of my all-time favorite comedies.

"If you pull any crazy sh_t, flash your piece out on the lanes, I'm going to take it away from you, shove it up your ass, and pull the f_ckin trigger to it goes..... click"
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