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#142331 - 10/02/2003 18:44 List of adding tagged lyrics.
Waterman981
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Registered: 14/02/2002
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Loc: Salt Lake City, UT
I think with us getting a place to share our LRC files, at the beginning it may be a good idea to tell each other what we will be tagging, to avoid many wasted hours.

Oliver has mentioned he did 2 Beastie Boys CD's, and yn0t_ mentioned he would start his tagging process with Pink Floyd and Tori Amos. Naturally I can't speak for them, but by them creating those LRC files, it would save someone else lots of time. Of course finding the time to create all those LRC files...

Anyway, I am going to start out with U2 since they are my favorite band, and I have all their CD's (well, official albums, and many singles), then once I am done with that I will probably hit Collective Soul next, unless someone wants them first. Then when we have our server courtesy of justinlarsen, we won't have as many duplicates.

Feel free to post here with what you plan on tagging first!
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#142332 - 10/02/2003 19:30 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: Waterman981]
foxtrot_xray
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Well, I'll start all of the Ace Of Base CD's.. once I finish my VFD project.

Me.
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#142333 - 10/02/2003 19:41 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: Waterman981]
tonyc
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Nice, I'll be all over those U2 files. I'm assuming you'll be doing all the studio albums? How about the remix CD's that came with the 2 recent greatest hits albums?
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#142334 - 10/02/2003 20:49 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: tonyc]
justinlarsen
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Registered: 31/12/2001
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Loc: Petaluma, CA
I have already started a site to host the Lrc files its going to be at lrcdb.com, stay tuned it should be up in the next 2 weeks, i have lots of programming and UI to build for it. Its also going to be bbs members only who request memberships to try and avoid the hassel of getting harrased by higher powers.
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#142335 - 10/02/2003 21:02 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: justinlarsen]
tonyc
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Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Righteous. Let me know when it's ready for some testing.
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#142336 - 10/02/2003 21:35 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: Waterman981]
cushman
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Registered: 21/01/2002
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Loc: Erie, CO
I'll get right to work on Godspeed You Black Emperor and The Orb...
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#142337 - 10/02/2003 21:43 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: cushman]
lectric
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Registered: 20/01/2002
Posts: 2082
Loc: New Orleans, LA
Out of idle curiosity, won't it depend on exactly what version of a song one has? And what it was encoded with? And whether it was padded with 2 seconds of silence? Not trying to be a PITA, just curious.

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#142338 - 10/02/2003 22:06 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: tonyc]
Waterman981
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Registered: 14/02/2002
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Loc: Salt Lake City, UT
You bet! I'm thinking I will do all "studio" U2 stuff, including unreleased songs, demos, and B-Sides. My U2 collection currently consists of 576 MP3's. I don't know if I will tag the bootlegs yet though. That would be a lot of songs. I'm just finishing up Boy right now. I hope to do an album a day.
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#142339 - 10/02/2003 22:09 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: lectric]
canuckInOR
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Registered: 13/02/2002
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Loc: Portland, OR
Version, yes. I'd assume that those are the things that would be annotated in the lrc file. As for what it was encoded with? I don't think that would make any difference -- lyrics that start at the two minute mark are going to start at the two minute mark whether the song is in .WAV or .mp3, or if it was encoded at 128 or 256.

The padding with silence is the only real issue I can think of. All I can think to say to that is... since when have you ever *not* had to fix errors in some music related bit of info downloaded off the 'net?

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#142340 - 10/02/2003 22:58 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: Waterman981]
lockuplever
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Registered: 30/01/2002
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Loc: Tucson, AZ
I'll take Van Halen, starting with the Sammy years.
If I remember right, I think Tony said he would take Rush, although I'm not known for my memory.
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#142341 - 10/02/2003 23:10 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: cushman]
loren
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I'll get right to work on Godspeed You Black Emperor and The Orb...

LOL... good one. I'll get on the Do Make Say Think
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#142342 - 11/02/2003 01:04 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: loren]
justinlarsen
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Loc: Petaluma, CA
ya it might differ a bit, but you can edit them which will still be way faster than starting them from scratch
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#142343 - 11/02/2003 04:38 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: loren]
PaulWay
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Registered: 03/08/1999
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I for my part will be doing most of the work by Jean-Michel Jarre, Vangelis, Tangerine Dream and Kitaro. Already I'm 75% done...

Have fun,

Paul
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#142344 - 11/02/2003 05:41 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: PaulWay]
frog51
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Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2089
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
I'll try to get time to install this week, and then I guess I could start off doing Metallica, Megadeth, Pantera, White Zombie etc., although tagging a lot of my collection may not be of any interest to most folks on the BBS. I seem to recall from other threads that heavy ain't the most popular
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#142345 - 11/02/2003 06:59 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: Waterman981]
oliver
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I'm doing the Beastie Boys, already have Hello Nasty and Paul's Boutique completed. Working on the other albums now. I think after that, i will start with the roots, then maybe to a tribe called quest. I will gladly share the LRC files somehow



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#142346 - 11/02/2003 07:58 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: lockuplever]
MinerTwoFour
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Registered: 10/02/2003
Posts: 78
Loc: St. Louis, MO
Not that I'm trying to get his website hammered, but http://www.leoslyrics.com has around 60,000 lyrics in a searchable database.

He also has a winamp plugin for viewing the lyrics, I know that had been talked about before. I haven't used the plugin personally, so don't take my word as a recommendation.

It's also a great site to search for song titles just based on a few lyrics that you remember from a song.

Thought this might save you all some time...

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#142347 - 11/02/2003 08:54 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: cushman]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4153
Loc: Cambridge, England
Godspeed You Black Emperor and The Orb

I need to stop reading this BBS, it's costing me a fortune in Amazon bills.

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#142348 - 11/02/2003 09:24 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: peter]
cushman
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Registered: 21/01/2002
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Loc: Erie, CO
I would preview any Godspeed You Black Emperor CD before you buy it. You may not like it, it's hard to listen to in certain moods. It's very hard to describe but ambiant noise is probably the best description I can manage. It's not really similar to the Orb, if you were thinking that.
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#142349 - 11/02/2003 10:05 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: cushman]
peter
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I would preview any Godspeed You Black Emperor CD before you buy it.

Too late! Actually, I did try Amazon's thirty-second previews of a couple of tracks. I guess their tracks don't really get going in the first thirty seconds, but it sounded a bit like the Penguin Cafe Orchestra or Steve Reich, which was good enough for me.

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#142350 - 11/02/2003 12:11 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: justinlarsen]
bbowman
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Registered: 12/05/2002
Posts: 205
Loc: Virginia, USA
This is great that you guys are doing this. I'll try to do my part get some stuff in there too. I'm wondering if perhaps we can set up this database in a similar fashion as the freecddb.org.

I hacked a ripping perl script to find the CD ID, do a lookup on Freecddb.org and get all the tracknames, etc - then it rips the CD, lames it and writes the tags. It would be great if I could grab the lyrics from lrcdb.com too and encode it all in in one shot. Hmm, maybe a lrcdb.org?
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#142351 - 11/02/2003 14:23 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: bbowman]
MadDog
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Registered: 07/01/2002
Posts: 20
I'll start on BNL and Move to GBS (if no one else starts doing GBS )

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#142352 - 11/02/2003 17:42 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: MadDog]
bertrandom
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Registered: 13/01/2002
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I'll take all the Pixies and Frank Black cds.

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#142353 - 11/02/2003 19:34 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: Waterman981]
jimhogan
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If, as I wondered about in a thread over there , I can figure out a way to migrate lyrics into Ogg without loads of extra steps, I may be compelled to submit the entire Richard Thompson discography (I may only please myself!)....and maybe some Pogues!

As much as I would like to, I don't think I will volunteer for Firesign Theater.
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#142354 - 11/02/2003 22:02 Tagging advice [Re: Waterman981]
tonyc
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Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
A word to the wise regarding lyric tagging... emphatic calculates the scroll speed by figuring out when the next line is going to have to appear on screen. Because of this, it's probably best to put a "blank line" in during instrument solos, or any period where there's a long period of silence between lines. So let's say you've got a chorus and then a geetar solo

[01:45]Should have tried to do some more
[01:51]25 or 6 to 4
(guitar solo here)
[03:41]Feeling like I ought to sleep
[03:47]Spinning room is sinking deep


You should probably throw an empty time tag in with, a "start timestamp" that roughly corresponds to the "end timestamp" of the previous line, making it look like this:

[01:45]Should have tried to do some more
[01:51]25 or 6 to 4
[01:55]
[03:41]Feeling like I ought to sleep
[03:47]Spinning room is sinking deep


Otherwise, you may see the last line before the break scroll by pretty slowly, and if it's a long line of lyrics (obviously not so in this example), it might be so slow that the words don't sync up with the music well. This is because the software's algorithm thinks that line needs to take, in this example, almost 2 minutes to scroll. Now, I did set an absolute minimum on the scroll speed to make situations like this less of a problem, but adding the extra time tag right before periods of no lyrics does help things stay in sync.

So, in summary, if you're seeing issues with a line scrolling too slow right before a long period of time with no lyrics, add another time tag for the end of that line. Problem solved.
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#142355 - 12/02/2003 00:02 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: Waterman981]
genixia
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I've got "Thomas and Friends - Thomas' Songs and Roundhouse Rhythums." covered
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#142356 - 12/02/2003 02:14 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: Waterman981]
adavidw
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Registered: 10/11/2000
Posts: 497
Loc: Tucson, AZ USA
I'm focusing mainly on actual karaoke type songs myself. For example, I've already done "Escape (The Piņa Colada Song)", so no one needs to worry about doing that one.
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#142357 - 12/02/2003 08:03 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: MadDog]
ShadowMan
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Great you do GBS and I'll have a look at BWATOF. Though The Fables might be a an easier starting point.
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#142358 - 12/02/2003 08:12 Re: List of adding tagged lyrics. [Re: adavidw]
tonyc
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Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Nice. SOMEONE needed to do the "cheesy" songs.
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#142359 - 12/02/2003 08:17 Re: Tagging advice [Re: tonyc]
wfaulk
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The SYLT spec references doing sychronized lyrics by syllable (``follow the bouncing ball''). Will emphatic deal with that properly, instead of the one timestamp per line paradigm (20 cents)?
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#142360 - 12/02/2003 08:37 Re: Tagging advice [Re: wfaulk]
tonyc
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The SYLT spec references doing sychronized lyrics by syllable (``follow the bouncing ball''). Will emphatic deal with that properly, instead of the one timestamp per line paradigm (20 cents)?

Not yet... I did consider it, but how useful is that on the empeg? It'd be "cute" to see the current word or syllable lighting up or even a little bouncing ball, but is it that useful? If enough people really want it, I can see what I can do...

Can you imagine trying to accurately tag every syllable of "One Week" or "It's the End of the World as We Know It?"

The great thing about writing (apparently) the only utility on the planet that's adding SYLT frames to MP3's is you can specify which mechanisms get implemented. Until lrc2sylt provides a mechanism for this (which would involve something that looks nothing like a LRC file, of course) are we really going to see any MP3's encoded with syllable timestamps?
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