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#178370 - 08/09/2003 22:57 Alpine's 16GB HD Player
jets
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So what do you all think? It has a removable harddrive. Here's the Japanese version: http://www.alpine.co.jp/alpine/audio03/lineup/2003/hu/hda-5460ms.html and the version the North America gets in puke green: http://ecominet2.alpine-usa.com/pls/admn/item_info?p_item_name=HDA-5460&p_category=10&p_subcategory=45&p_main=10

Personally, I think it would be cool to check out! Try to babelfish the japanese page to get more info about it. The american site never provides enough info.
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#178371 - 08/09/2003 23:08 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: jets]
jets
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Heres a pdf with lots a pix http://www.alpine.co.jp/alpine/audio03/degi/images/alpine.pdf

Can you belive this...it can even record the cd/radio to the HDD.

Apparently it does have visuals, plays sony magic gate memory sticks and a removable harddrive. In the pdf you can see that it has an ID3 info display mode thats scrolling.

I like it better ala blue but I wonder if the JDM 5460 is compatible with the (USDM) 9815? It's practically the same as the (JDM) 9815J.
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#178372 - 09/09/2003 03:28 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: jets]
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Now, that seems a good one! I now wonder if there's any chance that the empeg goes back to production, since probably now there is some market for such devices. I am almost sure that software-wise the empeg is years ahead of this, and if there's market, the empeg would be the winner.

Still dreaming to see Mark 3...
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#178373 - 09/09/2003 07:28 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: jets]
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That doesn't look bad at all...
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#178374 - 09/09/2003 07:44 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: robricc]
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Babelfish translation:
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#178375 - 09/09/2003 11:00 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: jets]
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It looks like you will get a kiss with it as well
The total price is $2200!
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#178376 - 09/09/2003 11:03 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: robricc]
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i still prefer the look of the empeg.

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#178377 - 09/09/2003 11:37 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: redmosquito]
DeadFire
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I still prefer the (theoretically) unlimited space of the empeg. But then I can't fathom encoding at 128kbps, anyway.

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#178378 - 09/09/2003 12:35 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: DeadFire]
loren
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Looks good. I'm really shocked that they are only offering 16 gigs though. Anyone care to guess as to why?

And when you take the face off, do you have to take the hard drive out too so as not to leave it visible? That seems annoying...
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#178379 - 09/09/2003 15:47 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: loren]
msaeger
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I wonder if you could crack open the HDD unit and stick a bigger drive in there.
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#178380 - 09/09/2003 17:16 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: ashmoore]
jets
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Well in USD126,000 yen is $1100.00. When the empeg was new it sold for double that and had just 10GB or so. I have a 60GB rio so I can see the step down to 16GB being a biatch but at least theres potential for drive swapping and what not. Perhaps they'll release a 30GB drive so one can have additional space. The empeg is great but that display slaughters the empeg's VFD. That Bio-Lite display can be read perfectly even in direct sunlight! I have a Sony Clie so the mp3s on memory sticks can get slapped right in there for immediate playback too!

Having the HDD exposed like that while the face is off is definatley a minus but so far that and the storage capacity are the only real beefs I can think of.

The biggest plus is that it's an Alpine IMO. I am Alpine's number one fan =)

Right now I have a friend in in Hong Kong and he's going to shop around getting prices next time he swings over to Japan. If he can find a deal good enough I just may own one soon. I am also going to get in touch with some people at Alpine and find out if there are plans for a bigger HDD.

EDIT: I just noticed that the USDM version has no memory stick slot!


Edited by jets (09/09/2003 17:23)
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#178381 - 10/09/2003 03:33 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: jets]
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My DJ function
Gathering favorite genre, it can enjoy to the joke comfortable DJ play.




Those crazy japanese!
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#178382 - 10/09/2003 04:11 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: loren]
rob
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I'm really shocked that they are only offering 16 gigs though. Anyone care to guess as to why?

Probably because the first automotive spec drives are 16GB.

Rob

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#178383 - 12/09/2003 18:47 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: jets]
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Thing is, that "only" $1100 is just for the mp3 thing. It doesn't do squat without the Alpine headunit that also sells for $1100.
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#178384 - 13/09/2003 05:25 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: ashmoore]
jets
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Actually you are wrong. It can be used on it's own without being piggy-backed onto another head unit. The heading on the HDA-5460 webpage is "In-Dash Add-On/Stand Alone HDD (Hard Disc Drive) Player"
The head unit it is pictured with is not "another $1100.00" either. The MSRP listed on the site for the CDA-9815 is $500.00 USD. I actually bought it for less at $600.00 CDN. It's all right there on the website in black and white boss...

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#178385 - 13/09/2003 09:35 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: jets]
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The bad:
- It's fugly
- it's Alpine (see #1)
- its expensive (overpriced) (see #2)

The good:
- Continued adoption by major brands should give people something decent in the next 5 years
- D&M Holdings --> Denon/Rio possibilities for the future.

I wouldn't touch it based on any 1 of the first three bad items. Mass-market Japanese goods seem to have lost all touch with usable UI design.

Bruno
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#178386 - 13/09/2003 14:27 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: hybrid8]
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D&M Holdings --> Denon/Rio possibilities for the future.
To wax philosophical: I used to have a Denon head unit. 'Twas a fine piece of equipment which matched the performance of the (more expensive and more fragile) Nakamichi car gear back then.


Edited by DLF (13/09/2003 14:28)
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#178387 - 14/09/2003 09:29 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: jets]
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don't ask me where I found the $1100 price tag for the head unit
Probably some out of date link somewhere, I'm good at finding those !

I just want my "empeg of the future" to include the amp and radio, you know, nothing much.


Edited by ashmoore (14/09/2003 09:32)
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#178388 - 14/09/2003 13:16 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: hybrid8]
maczrool
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The bad:
- It's fugly




I agree. Why does their stuff (the CD headunits anyway) have to look like a drum machine?

Stu
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#178389 - 14/09/2003 13:20 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: ashmoore]
maczrool
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don't ask me where I found the $1100 price tag for the head unit
Probably some out of date link somewhere, I'm good at finding those !




Yep, out of date. Their US site says $1000. See here.

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#178390 - 24/09/2003 08:59 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: maczrool]
JeepBastard
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when will the new empeg mark 3 make an apperance? 2004?
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#178391 - 24/09/2003 09:13 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: JeepBastard]
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when will the new empeg mark 3 make an apperance? 2004?

http://people.kldp.org/~eunjea/jargon/?idx=vaporware.html
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#178392 - 25/09/2003 09:57 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: tonyc]
rob
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How can a product which has never been announced be vaporware? There is no Mk.3 and plans to make one.

Rob

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#178393 - 25/09/2003 10:54 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: rob]
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<cough> <cough> Camelot <cough>
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#178394 - 25/09/2003 10:55 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: rob]
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What was Camelot? Was that not the proposed Mk3 ?

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#178395 - 25/09/2003 11:00 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: CrackersMcCheese]
pgrzelak
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Yes. It was (is?) the Mark3, but really a visteon prototype that has shown up in a few spots. "It's only a model." "Ssshhh..."
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#178396 - 25/09/2003 11:05 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: pgrzelak]
rob
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I think Visteon made it pretty clear that wasn't going into production any time soon - and it's certainly outside of our control.

Rob

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#178397 - 25/09/2003 11:10 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: rob]
pgrzelak
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I know. Perhaps someday...
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#178398 - 21/11/2003 18:47 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: jets]
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Saw this press release today:

November 20, 2003, Thursday 4:43 AM Eastern Time

HEADLINE: New Alpine MP3/WMA Hard Disk Drive Player for the Car Is Ultimate Gift for Digital Music Enthusiasts

DATELINE: TORRANCE, Calif., Nov. 20

BODY:
For the really serious MP3 music fan, burning tracks to CDs is passe. Why fumble around with all those CDs when you can fit thousands of tracks on one small hard disk drive?
Alpine Electronics' new in-dash HDA-5460 player with a 16GB removable hard disk drive enables people to take upwards of 3,000 of their favorite MP3/WMA/.WAV music files on the road with them. The Alpine HDA-5460, available nationwide at Alpine authorized dealers in early December (target retail price $1,000), is the quintessential holiday gift for any MP3/WMA music enthusiast.
"With up to one million paid music downloads taking place weekly, it's clear that people are building massive MP3/WMA libraries," said Steve Witt, Alpine's vice president of Brand Marketing. "Alpine's HDA-5460 defines compressed media playback in the car with industry-leading functionality that addresses the particular challenges online music enthusiasts face, including the need to more intuitively navigate through large libraries to easily find the music they're looking for."
With Alpine's HDA-5460, enjoying large MP3/WMA music collections in the car is easy. The HDA-5460 is designed for in-dash installation, putting all the system controls in front of the user. The tricky task of managing large music libraries is made much easier with Alpine's exclusive Quick Search(TM), which enables people to search for tracks by genre, artist, album, song or playlist using a simple "paddle switch" on the front panel.
The HDA-5460 features a selectable DJ function that personalizes 10 genre selections with different DJ voices and sound effects. Alpine's Music Visualizer(TM) even provides cool accompanying graphics on the display.
Transferring music files from the desktop to the hard disk drive is fast. Users simply plug a cable from the computer directly to the removable disk drive's USB port. The system comes with Alpine's Mobile Multimedia Driver computer software, providing powerful desktop tools for burning, downloading and managing music collections. An "auto-synch" function enables people to quickly update their drive with the latest music and playlists on their desktop.

SOURCE Alpine Electronics
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#178399 - 22/11/2003 05:18 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: svferris]
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Wow! If only the empeg guys had built something like that. Wait a minute, they did, 4 frickin' years ago!
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#178400 - 22/11/2003 08:58 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: andym]
pgrzelak
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That's part of the problem - the empeg was just too far ahead of its time.
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#178401 - 22/11/2003 09:54 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: svferris]
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Alpine Electronics' new in-dash HDA-5460 player with a 16GB removable hard disk drive enables people to take upwards of 3,000 of their favorite MP3/WMA/.WAV music files on the road with them. The Alpine HDA-5460, available nationwide at Alpine authorized dealers in early December (target retail price $1,000), is the quintessential holiday gift for any MP3/WMA music enthusiast.


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Sorry, but I'm an MP3 enthusiast and I think that they're lying.
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#178402 - 22/11/2003 10:48 Re: Alpine's 16GB HD Player [Re: jets]
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It looks like they slammed a digital camera into the front of it...

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