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#179107 - 14/09/2003 10:06 Tuner ready - howto use? RDS with TMC possible?
rowitech
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Registered: 22/09/2002
Posts: 249
Loc: Germany, Cologne
Yes,

Foreword:
I got my tunerkit at Saturday and my soldering iron has been turned on after a long time. When I've seen those many parts I thought it would be hard but the idiot-proof installation guide was perfect, even for me :-). I really didn't expect my tuner to work after the first plug in into my car's sled (couldn't test inhouse). It works! Happy for three I switched around and got some stations tuned in.

Question:
I searched for TMC but couldn't find a posting telling that's possible. In Germany you can use TMC, a subset of the RDS-System, to get information about traffic jam. But it looks like it is not implemented, but I'm sure I've read an article telling exactly this. Maybe it's in the 3rd Version of the player software...

Anybody out there who can tell me if TMC is supported or will be supported? Is it possible to get info from e.g. /dev/rds?

What's the easiest way to switch between tuner and mp3?

Rolf
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#179108 - 14/09/2003 13:26 Re: Tuner ready - howto use? RDS with TMC possible? [Re: rowitech]
RobotCaleb
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Registered: 15/01/2002
Posts: 1866
Loc: Austin
i dont have a tuner so i dont know exactly, but i think the easiest way would be to push the button labeled 'tuner' on your remote.

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#179109 - 14/09/2003 13:29 Re: Tuner ready - howto use? RDS with TMC possible? [Re: RobotCaleb]
RobotCaleb
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Registered: 15/01/2002
Posts: 1866
Loc: Austin
on, and tony! (fabris, that is)
is a long press of the rotary knob changing source something that the lord added or should that be added to the button guide?

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#179110 - 14/09/2003 13:30 Re: Tuner ready - howto use? RDS with TMC possible? [Re: RobotCaleb]
RobotCaleb
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Registered: 15/01/2002
Posts: 1866
Loc: Austin
err.. very long press, that is.

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#179111 - 14/09/2003 13:53 Re: Tuner ready - howto use? RDS with TMC possible? [Re: RobotCaleb]
rowitech
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Registered: 22/09/2002
Posts: 249
Loc: Germany, Cologne
Oh, I thought of pressing the rotary knob, but then the hijack-menu came. Didn't realize of pressing longer. Will try it tomorrow (it's late now). Thank you.

Rolf
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#179112 - 14/09/2003 20:27 Re: Tuner ready - howto use? RDS with TMC possible? [Re: RobotCaleb]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31578
Loc: Seattle, WA
is a long press of the rotary knob changing source something that the lord added
Correct, that is a feature of Hijack.
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#179113 - 14/09/2003 20:46 Re: Tuner ready - howto use? RDS with TMC possible? [Re: tfabris]
RobotCaleb
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Registered: 15/01/2002
Posts: 1866
Loc: Austin
k
thanks

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#179114 - 15/09/2003 00:12 Re: Tuner ready - howto use? RDS with TMC possible [Re: rowitech]
alex25
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Registered: 30/06/1999
Posts: 179
Loc: Switzerland
I once started a tmc implemetation for the empeg. The latest version shows the raw tmc data, but didn't decode it. I think it's two years since then. So the project is nearly dead for now and I'm not sure if it still works (hijack changes?, rds stream changes?)

I don't think that the official player software will ever support tmc, as it's not available in many different countries.

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#179115 - 15/09/2003 01:11 Re: Tuner ready - howto use? RDS with TMC possible [Re: alex25]
rowitech
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Registered: 22/09/2002
Posts: 249
Loc: Germany, Cologne
Hi Alex,

oh yes, I've seen your name when reading something of TMC. I know that outside Europe it's hard to find a RDS-Signal. But in Germany it's just too good for not using it.
I'm sure there are some people who will be very happy if TMC will be displayed. So there are two ways to accomplish this:

- I beg you to do it and you do it (not very imaginative)
- You are so kind and tell me your steps before and I do it alone (not very imaginative, too)
- My favourite: You give the community tips and howtos and all people who can code do it together (so my wife could see me sometimes - i'm married since just 48 days) but I can take part in coding (uhm, I'm better in PHP but should work).

Please don't let the TMC-feature go down only because of too little time. If everybody gives an hour, it should work, shouldn't it? :-)

Rolf
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#179116 - 15/09/2003 02:07 Re: Tuner ready - howto use? RDS with TMC possible [Re: rowitech]
alex25
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Registered: 30/06/1999
Posts: 179
Loc: Switzerland
I can see if I find my old TMC sources somewhere inside a vmware and publish it on my web page.
Another problem seems to be the location conversation table used for TMC. They are country dependend. I have an (old) location conversation table for switzerland, but I'm not sure if this is public material.

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#179117 - 15/09/2003 02:26 Re: Tuner ready - howto use? RDS with TMC possible [Re: alex25]
rowitech
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Registered: 22/09/2002
Posts: 249
Loc: Germany, Cologne
If we can extract the raw data and (best) putting it in /dev/tmc or something like this, then this was the first step.

Rolf
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#179118 - 19/07/2004 19:11 Re: Tuner ready - howto use? RDS with TMC possible [Re: rowitech]
alex25
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Registered: 30/06/1999
Posts: 179
Loc: Switzerland
I'm a bit late but I was once more asked to publish my tmc rds application. So here it is:
http://www.empeg.homelinux.com/TMC.zip (Source and Binary)
I have not worked on it for nearly 3 years now, so feel free to modify and adapt according to your needs.

What the application does:
- Binds into hijack menue
- Print out all tmc packages (console)
- Prepared to display the traffic messages

What it does NOT:
- Decode the messages and display them in clear text

What is needed to run the application:
- Actual hijack version
- Execute once the following command to create the necessary rds device:
mkfifo /dev/rds1
- The application must be started before the player software is running
(Can be done by simply restarting the player software after starting the tmc application)
- Activate receiving of tmc messages (Hijack menue --> TMC RDS Receiver --> TMC Dienst aktivieren)
- Last but not least you need a station which broadcasts tmc messages! :-)

The output of the application should look like this: (The application is in German!)
sh-2.03# ./TMC
RDS TMC initialised
3PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=0200800000 MG CI=2 D=0 R=0 Ex=0 Ev=128 L=0
PI=43B1 GA=3A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=100266CD46 3A Zusatzinfo
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=0381912E4F MG CI=3 D=1 R=0 Ex=0 Ev=401 L=11855
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=0381912E4F MG CI=3 D=1 R=0 Ex=0 Ev=401 L=11855
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=03415D2E5C MG CI=3 D=0 R=1 Ex=0 Ev=349 L=11868
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=04C19627E9 MG CI=4 D=1 R=1 Ex=0 Ev=406 L=10217
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=04C19627E9 MG CI=4 D=1 R=1 Ex=0 Ev=406 L=10217
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=0447508AEE MG CI=4 D=0 R=1 Ex=0 Ev=1872 L=35566
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=0447508AEE MG CI=4 D=0 R=1 Ex=0 Ev=1872 L=35566
PI=43B1 GA=3A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=104000CD46 3A Zusatzinfo
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=0409662C06 MG CI=4 D=0 R=0 Ex=1 Ev=358 L=11270
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=05819827E9 MG CI=5 D=1 R=0 Ex=0 Ev=408 L=10217
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=05819827E9 MG CI=5 D=1 R=0 Ex=0 Ev=408 L=10217
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=0547508AEE MG CI=5 D=0 R=1 Ex=0 Ev=1872 L=35566
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=0547508AEE MG CI=5 D=0 R=1 Ex=0 Ev=1872 L=35566
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=061CA7A562 MG CI=6 D=0 R=0 Ex=3 Ev=1191 L=42338
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=01C1962758 MG CI=1 D=1 R=1 Ex=0 Ev=406 L=10072
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=01C1962758 MG CI=1 D=1 R=1 Ex=0 Ev=406 L=10072
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=015B28D18E MG CI=1 D=0 R=1 Ex=3 Ev=808 L=53646
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=015B28D18E MG CI=1 D=0 R=1 Ex=3 Ev=808 L=53646
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=0108E96440 MG CI=1 D=0 R=0 Ex=1 Ev=233 L=25664
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=02C1962806 MG CI=2 D=1 R=1 Ex=0 Ev=406 L=10246
PI=43B1 GA=3A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=100266CD46 3A Zusatzinfo
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=0247208A8E MG CI=2 D=0 R=1 Ex=0 Ev=1824 L=35470
PI=43B1 GA=8A TP=1 PTY=0 IH=020957AC08 MG CI=2 D=0 R=0 Ex=1 Ev=343 L=44040

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#179119 - 20/07/2004 07:40 Re: Tuner ready - howto use? RDS with TMC possible? [Re: RobotCaleb]
frog51
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Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
Although for speed, as I don't use the short tap of the knob for anything other than source change, the popup is set to Next Source. This means a quick double tap of the knob changes between mp3 and tuner - just works faster than the very long press.
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#179120 - 20/07/2004 11:31 Re: Tuner ready - howto use? RDS with TMC possible? [Re: frog51]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
If you really, truly, only ever use the quick knob press to switch sources, then you can eliminate the need for the second press by changing the Knob Press Redefinition (found in the main Hijack menu) to issue NextSrc directly, rather than via the PopUp0 menu.

Cheers

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#179121 - 20/07/2004 11:37 Re: Tuner ready - howto use? RDS with TMC possible? [Re: mlord]
frog51
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Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
D'oh. Cheers - I'd never got round to thinking I could remove the popup altogether.
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#179122 - 10/08/2004 08:11 Re: Tuner ready - howto use? RDS with TMC possible? [Re: frog51]
rowitech
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Registered: 22/09/2002
Posts: 249
Loc: Germany, Cologne
In 2004 TMC broadcasts have been changed (I've heard).
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