I just wanted to share that.

and as an added bonus, my old couch:

Thats some mighty impressice stains you have. Do the guns always lie out like that? Or is it just for the photo?

And no guns in the fridge?

A web cam in the fridge is actually useful - how often have you wondered about what you have in the fridge while at work, about to drive past a supermarket on your way home?

Ohoo Kay

I thought the guns must camo'd in the fridge somewhere... I see he has the Tony Chachere's Roux mix... Mmmm. Tony's rocks!

Electrolux used to have a fridge cam for a long time in someone's house in Sweden, I think it was. It's been offline now for sometime, bummer...

you're low on milk.

Where's the beer?

Hey, cool, your mom keeps the fridge pretty well stocked for you.

Better clean up those guns off the couch before she gets home, though.

lol

my only question is : where have those horrendously stained pillows been?

> my only question is : where have those horrendously stained pillows been?

I hear that it's nearly impossible to get blood stains out.

-brendan

where have those horrendously stained pillows been?

They aren't stained. It's just the weird lighting on that fabric.

Where's the beer?

I'm surprised tfabris didn't point it out, but my mommy doesn't let me drink beer!

velour?

A bit old, I took these after moving in. Now it has a ton of thanksgiving leftovers.

Nice pics, man! That looks like one hell of a fridge!

velour?

I have no idea. But it's the kind of fabric where if you rub your hand on it one way it's a certain color, and then if you rub it the other way it's a different color. The flash on the camera kind of exaggerated this effect.

Yeah, I picked the best fridge (within reason) I could find when I went shopping. It's the Kenmore Elite Trio. Well worth the price I paid for it.

OK, here's mine

Clearly, you are a man who has priorities.

Damn you Drakino... i will now be craving Fla-vor-ice for the next week.

Here's mine from my old condo.

you people and your alcohol. sad really. pathetic, almost

Where's your Sweetwater? Or PBR?

Where's your Sweetwater? Or PBR?

Well, come to think of it you're right... I didn't pickup any sweetwater this go 'round... excellent brew though. The PBR stays in the wife's fridge!

The PBR stays in the wife's fridge!

Only the best for her!

you people and your alcohol. sad really. pathetic, almost

Hmm... I thought this BBS was a "judgemental free zone"...

Anyway, I'd offer a pic of my fridge, but I'm way too lazy to take one now. Plus I'm down to about a dozen cans of Labatt and about a sixer of Yuengling after visits from college buddies and family over the holidays.

i think its been proven time and again to be just that : a "judgemental free zone"
(the quotes are key)

that said, i wasnt making a personal attack. just loosely wrapping my views around an unfortunately huge subculture.
huge enough to be improperly labeled as a subculture.

I agree with you, but I don't have a problem with people who are into it (there's too many anyway).

The problem I do have is that I know several people who drink and drive and appear to have absolutely no problem with that. This I cannot tolerate.

Re: customsex
Understood. But in the context of this thread, and especially with your inclusion of the ever-popular phrase "you people," I think it's out of line.

You're entitled to your views, of course, but labeling anyone with a few beers in their fridge as "sad" and "almost pathetic" is an egregious rush to judgement. There *are* cases where alcohol consumption is sad and pathetic. I have two close family members (an uncle and a first cousin) who have battled alcoholism for most of their lives. THAT is, indeed, sad and pathetic, destroying families and lives. But putting anyone who enjoys a beer now and then in the same category as a true alcoholic is evidence that you don't really understand alcohol . Alcohol doesn't cause any societal ills, but alcohol abuse does. Unless you know that someone has an alcohol problem, I think you're painting with a broad brush if you consider them to be sad and pathetic just because they don't completely abstain from consumption.

Re: dignan
As for drinking and driving, it should go without saying, but I have no tolerance for that. Anyone who thinks it's okay to put their life and the lives of others in danger is a despicable human being, and anyone who lets a friend drink and drive (or who abandons someone who's had too many) is just as despicable.

i apologize for stepping on any toes with my semi-inclusive 'you people'. let me open it up. anyone who consumes alcohol in order to escape reality, alter mood or emotional state, forget, or any of the other countless reasons they may come up with for willingly putting poison into their bodies gets no respect from me. not as a whole person, but for the time that they do so. if you like to do so, for any reason, i dont respect you while youre doing so, and during any time that you are still under the influence. not necessarily intoxicated, perhaps just 'man, i need a beer'.
any other time, its the same as usual. if were normally cool, then were cool. if not, then nothings changed there either.

let me reiterate that im not personally attacking anyone here. nor do i hold anything against anyone here for having alcohol in their fridge. there is alcohol in my own fridge, which is why i have not posted a picture of it. its my suitemate's and i dont like it, but i deal. also, we may have to sit down, you and i, and discuss your view of 'a few' and how it differs from the that of the rest of society.

Clearly, you are a man who has priorities.

Well, here's my fridge:

Wheeee - about to begin flamewar...All, beware:-)

I feel almost diametrically opposed to customsex on this topic. I think judging anyone on what they put into their bodies is utterly irrelevant. If the effect it has on them makes a negative impact on me <b>then</b> I would have an issue, for example if a junkie steals my VCR, car or even worse, my empeg, then I would have major issues...if they stay in the comfort of their own home in a drugged coma I couldn't give a rats ass. Drunks - should never drive, and if obnoxious, should be escorted home/to a cell/away from others.

I am personally not a fan of drugs (in the harder sense, you know - heroin, cocaine, nicotine etc) but I probably have one glass of red wine a day (for purely health reasons) and currently have two bottles of Bombay Sapphire gin, a bottle of Smirnoff and an Absolut Citron in the freezer, and rarely have less than a case of Stella in there.

Been a while since I was a student, so I can't manage the serious sessions now, but I don't think I would understand anyone who hasn't been absolutely stocious at some point in their life. I don't know anyone who hasn't had at least one amusing party incident - "where am I?" "what did I do last night" and the classic "and you are...?"

Life is for fun (IMHO) and, while I can happily have fun with no alcohol (and often do because I love my Scooby so driving the folks to the pub isn't a chore) I can also have fun with it.

So, where was I - oh yes...just chill out man. Respect should have nothing to do with whether someone drinks or whatever...it should be about their actions.

A web cam in the fridge is actually useful

...and of course, you can check whether the light really goes of!

There is too much food and not enough beer in your fridges.

A bottle of wine for the ladies...

I'll join the stella camp.

anyone who lets a friend drink and drive (or who abandons someone who's had too many) is just as despicable

Reminds me of the old Finnish saying "Kaveria ei jätetä!", or "never leave a comerade behind!". Originated during the war, but has become a modern classic - in Finland in the winter, if you leave someone too drunk to find his own way home, he will probably die of cold...

anyone who consumes alcohol in order to escape reality

Hell, I drink to escape reality. Just like I watch action movies to escape reality, or read books, or go for a walk.

Sometimes reality, in the form of the day to day grind, needs time off. Getting drunk is one way to give it time off.

Drinking to excess -- to the point where you've lost all vestige of control -- is generally a bad thing, but even that can be useful sometimes.

Alcoholism is a problem. Don't get me wrong -- my father died a couple of years ago, almost certainly because of the drink, although he had other health problems.

It didn't make me respect him any less, though.

OK, as long as we're saying, "My name is davec and I don't have a drinking problem, I'm fully stocked..." Here's my fridge...

I... must... own.... kegerator!

I take pleasure in alcohol in similar ways that I take pleasure in food, sex, roller coasters and countable other things. Hedonistic? Sometimes. Social? Sometimes. Therapeutic? Sometimes.

Human nature.

With that said, there are a lot of annoying, dangerous, and/or self-destructive drunks out in the world. During my early adulthood, I spent years living in a dry house by choice and it was a good thing.

-brendan

Hell, I drink to escape reality. Just like I watch action movies to escape reality, or read books, or go for a walk.

good point, thank you for that

And so customsex learns that the only great sin in todays culture is intolerance...

perhaps. but i have always been open to opinion adjustment, given good enough reason. thats not to say that i just did a complete 180 from my last statements.
and i believe i am very tolerant, ive already mentioned the alcohol in my own refrigerator.

Actually...I more or less agree with most of your second post.

I just thought the reaction was funny. Posting something like that here is akin to fighting a forest fire with a water pistol.

the only great sin in todays culture is intolerance

....and I feel a lot more tolerant, when I've had a couple of pints with good friends in the right surroundings!

akin to fighting a forest fire with a water pistol.

true. i wasnt really trying to change anything though. just continuing my thoughts, in such a way that it was clear what i meant, so the ambiguity dint make people jump to the wrong conclusions.

and anyone who lets a friend drink and drive (or who abandons someone who's had too many) is just as despicable.

Just in case that was somewhat directed towards me , I never let that happen (knowingly). I thew about 6 large parties at my place in my college career, in which there were many people drinking. I didn't let people drive home drunk or slightly intoxicated.

I did have a roommate last year (who I wasn't close with), who would often go out to the delis (the drinking spots at my school), and drive home without a DD. I didn't like it, but there wasn't a lot I could do about it (I could have gone with him, you say? That's not very fair to me, considering I couldn't babysit someone 8 years older than me every single weekend night).

The problem I have with drinkers is simply when they affect other people. At those parties I've mentioned, people who have been drinking have hurt others by saying or doing things that they probably wouldn't have done sober, and that's when I have to say it's pathetic. Otherwise, I know it's just something people do. My roommates have generally been the types to have some beer(s) during a football game, and that's cool. I prefer a nice, tall, ice-cold coke, but that's just me.

driving while intoxicated is the only way to drive...

driving while intoxicated is the only way to drive...

You just can't help yourself, can you?

Just in case that was somewhat directed towards me

It most certainly wasn't, but thanks for clarifying your position anyway. I was simply responding to your inclusion of the drunk driving issue in our discussion... And it's a very relevant topic whenever alcohol is being discussed. There are far too many who are laissez-faire about DUI, and far too many people who don't help their friends out when they've had too many.

the only great sin in todays culture is intolerance...

While I think this is a prevalent attitude in today’s world, I don’t see it very often here. Instead I see a much healthier version of tolerance in which people are viewed with respect, even if their ideas are not. I can think of many conversations in which there have been sharp responses where ideas were attacked and not the people posting them. Thus you have statements along the lines of “XXX is not a logically supportable position because of YYY,” rather than “You are an idiot if you believe XXX.” In fact, not only do people mostly stick to debating ideas, but even when there is a sharp conflict in one thread, in another the same two people might together be trying to figure out some technological difficulty. The result is a community built on respect of persons, not ideas.

In contrast, I think the popular sentiment in the world is that “all ideas are equally meritorious,” which is not only silly, but also self-defeating since some people disagree with the premise and therefore their ideas (based on the original statement) must be meritorious. So then you get a revision like “all ideas are equally meritorious, except for those who do not believe that all ideas are meritorious, in which case their ideas are not meritorious.” That doesn’t sound quite as nice though, so it gets rephrased as “we will tolerate everything but intolerance.” Sounds nice, but doesn’t work and often results with the “intolerant” people being treated with disrespect.

As I said though, this BBS doesn’t seem to fall into the second trap. It is generally accepted that all ideas are not equally meritorious, and when one is posted that is disagreeable it is generally debated vigorously, but within the realm of ideas, not personal attacks. A little more on-topic, I think this is why the “you people” in the original post got such a rise. Interpreted rightly or not, this was perceived as an attack of persons, not just ideas.

very well said, and thats why im not afraid to say whats on my mind here. i know that, for the most part, how ever someone may think of me in their head, they tend to keep it civil on this board. ive stated that the 'you people' was not a personal attack. it wasnt, insomuch as it was meant towards anyone that drinks. i wasnt singling any one person out and i certainly was not judging anyones character based on the contents of their fridge. the group residing on these boards is one of the coolest things i feel im a part of, simply because of the levels of intellectual discussions and intelligent thoughts that are shown here. and because of the ability to always be open to listening to the other side, especially if it doesnt fit your beliefs. and for other reasons. all in all, a very great community, one which i am proud to say that i am a part of.

You know, I have absolutely no problem with drinking (except in combination with driving), but I agreed with your original statement (in more of a jokely way than it was taken, and perhaps meant) due to the fact that there was nothing else in those fridges. I mean, come on folks: you need a good protein base when you do your binge drinking, after all.

You didn't see my freezer in that pic. The life of a bachelor has little use for fresh food.

The life of a bachelor has little use for fresh food.

Cue game show music...

<The Late Rod Roddy>
It's time for everyone's favorite game... "Guess What's In Rob's Freezer!"
</The Late Rod Roddy>

My guesses:

1) At least one bulk pack of frozen burritos, chimichangas, and/or taquitos.
2) One of those big-ass bags of breaded chicken tenders.
3) Six boxes of Hot Pockets

HEY PAL! You just wait a second... There is a stack of velveeta slices in the drawer and plenty of uhhhh other stuff there in case you missed it...

You're right about the burritos and hot pockets. My freezer also features Ling Ling frozen dumplings, various brands of pot pies, waffles, and frozen White Castles on a regular basis.

Dang, I thought the chicken tenders were a sure thing.

Do you at least have a Fry Daddy?

no. I wanted one though.

...anyone who consumes alcohol in order to escape reality, alter mood or emotional state, forget, or any of the other countless reasons they may come up with for willingly putting poison into their bodies gets no respect from me. not as a whole person, but for the time that they do so. if you like to do so, for any reason, i dont respect you while youre doing so, and during any time that you are still under the influence....

You know, I can relate to this type of thinking, because I used to think the same thing about people and illegal drugs. Stuff like pot, cocaine, acid, shrooms, etc... Up until about a year ago. I've never done any drugs other than alcohol and about 13 cigarettes, I just don't think that the risks (mainly the legal issues and some physical and social) of doing them is worth the "rewards". I used to think that anyone who did do them was weak or stupid or just plain beneath me. I was also very adamant about me beliefs and let everyone know it. This type of thinking pushed a lot of people away from me, good people that were afraid of being judged, just because of a choice they made that they had every right to make.

About 2 years ago I met a wonderful woman whom I want to spend the rest of my life with. She has had much different life experiences than I have, and needless to say, did not share my same views about people who do or did drugs. She forced me to look at why I feel the way I do, and because I actually took the time to look at myself, I have come to realize that people can do drugs and still be good people that are not weak, or stupid, it is just a choice that they make, sometimes its just a fun thing to do for them.

I still dont think that doing drugs is a great idea, and it would probably be "healthier" if one never did any, but who am I to impose my judgement on others? So, I don't mind if someone does drugs, or drinks, as long as they are responsible about it and don't hurt anyone in the process.

Did you manage to scrub the `X' off your hand?

Before i was about 21 or 22, i would have been wholeheartedly agreed with you CustomSex. I wnt through my entire life up until then on a huge kick about how escapist and bullshit drugs and drinking are, and i just couldn't get it. I didn't understand why people would want to numb themselves to reality. I thought it was weak. I never had a drink until my 21st birthday... and then only one and it was a huge deal to me.

Looking back, I have a clearer view of why i thought that way. It was a combination of a few things. First, fear of loss of control.
Second, fear of addiction or dependency.
Third, there's some superiority one feels in holding ones beliefs above others as stronger and more "right".
Fourth, i hated what i saw when people were drunk. People acting retarded, not like themselves, using it as an excuse to be a certain way or do certain things and thinking it was cool. That was probably the biggy, not wanting to ever act like "them"... whoever that was. Not wanting to NEED it to have fun.
Lastly, after seeing how people felt after getting loaded, the following day... i didn't get it. I didn't understand knowingly doing that to yourself... knowing how you'd feel the next day. Which is why when i do drink now, it's never to the point of drunken stupor or hangover.
Oh yeah... then there was the whole alchohol tasting like [censored] issue... but that was pure naivete. I still hate beer though. =]

As i got older i met more and more people who drank, but weren't retarded about it. People who didn't need to drink to have fun, but would sometimes kick back and responsibly drink. Over the years i realized it wasn't this horrible monster that defined you or made you a certain way, and could be enjoyed in moderation and responsibly. People who can only have fun by drinking still irk me, but i'm getting over it. I realized more and more it was a superiority thing for me. That didn't change all the things i still felt were wrong about it, but it sure felt good to think i was better than the masses because i could resist the drink. I'm way over that now.

Anyhow... just thought i might point out how i came to the point i'm at now from a similar view point to yours. I'm not a regular drinker, and i pretty much hate bars, but every once in a while i'll partake and do so for fun with friends. I guess i'm saying... explore the reasons you feel the way you do... moreso that just the logical and reactionary ones posted above... there's probably more to it than that.

I've still never done an illegal drug in my life mostly for the same reasons. I think i'm just stubborn about it now...hahah.

Heh... i see Matt had the same ideas too. I would wager you'll change your tune with age. It's happened to every straight edger i've ever known. This reminds me of one of my favorite comics ever... i'll see if i can find it..

lol @ bitt

:edited to break confusion

I'm 30, and I haven't moderated that much. No drugs for me (I try to avoid OTC painkillers, too, but for the anti-inflamation benefit I was taking Naproxin Sodium recently while my foot healed). Alcohol, starting at 25, and fewer than a dozen times since.

I don't care what other people do, and I don't hold it over them, it's just not my thing. I agree about the bars, not my scene but sometimes I go along.

Thank Jeebus for archive.org!!!

http://web.archive.org/web/20021013210109/http://www.nothingnice.com/old/03-13-02.shtml

What is this Straight Edge stuff? was this some kind of california fad/club/movement? I've never heard of it except for a couple times on this BBS.

chimichangas

look in my freezer, right above the ice cream sandwiches.

I first heard about it 2 days ago when people started asking about livejournal usernames of the form xxfooxx

Loren will probably do a better job with this than I will (and I think we've already done this dance, oddly), but:

Back in the early-to-mid 80's, a group of hardcore bands, notably Minor Threat, started or were part of a backlash against the sex and drugs part of rock and roll. They nominally espoused the idea that drinking, doing drugs, and having casual sex was a bad idea. This caught on in a big way. The Straight Edge movement, named after a Minor Threat song, became quite popular, and the members identified themselves by magic-markering black `X's on the backs of their hands.

Straight Edgers are often noted for zero tolerance and disdain of all who don't follow their ideals. They're also known for often quickly and dramatically losing their ideals as they become legally able to drink.

Ian MacKaye, the singer and lyricist for Minor Threat, has, in more recent years, stated that he didn't intend to start a movement (with which he is usually credited) and personally hates Straight Edge. Whether this is true or a case of the aforementioned falling off the wagon I doubt we'll ever know.

Yeah, we've been over this in the "hangover" thread. Read through there for details. Then there's always http://www.straight-edge.com. I never did associate with the whole straight edge thing. When i came to San Francisco when i was 18, a bunch of people called me that and it was the first i'd heard of it. It's a pretty interesting phenomenon though. Still see kids all the time sporting the "x".

Speaking of which, my sister and her boyfriend finally stopped smoking a few months ago.

Of course, they could have just wanted to see a good show at a venue with a bar

Back in the early-to-mid 80's, a group of hardcore bands, notably Minor Threat, started or were part of a backlash against the sex and drugs part of rock and roll.

As long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, I can do without the rock and roll. - Mick Shrimpton

Did you manage to scrub the `X' off your hand?

I don't think I was ever straight-edge, I've just never done any drugs other than alcohol, and I can't stay away from sex. (almost addicted to that)

I suspect the straight-edge "X" comes from the marks the ID checkers at the bars where DC bands played were placing on the hands of 18-21 year olds (or less than 21 year olds in general) as a notation to the bartender(s) not to serve them.

I'll also note that (at least later versions of) the liner notes for the song Straight Edge added "I" in brackets to the three claims in the chorus.

-brendan

I think the BBS translated something to markup there. An asterisk, maybe?

fixed

Is that a Mach 10 on the sofa? It's the weapon of choice for Birmingham ganstas....

It's a Cobray M-11/9 which derived from the MAC-10. It's chambered for 9mm. The MAC-10 shoots .45.

From top to bottom on the sofa:
Romanian SAR-1 - 7.62x39mm
Mossberg 12 ga shotgun
Remington 700 .30-06
Ruger p90 - .45 acp
M-11/9

All I have are:
M1 Garand (standard issue)
M1-D Garand (sniper version)
Ruger Mini-14 (.223 semi)
Remington 870 12 ga
Ruger Anaconda .44 Mag with an 8" barrel

I guess it's enough, more than I can handle at one time in a battle...

Last time I fired any proper sort of gun was 21 years ago, at a target being towed behind the MV Keren in the South Atlantic.

I miss that GPMG. Still, if they changed the laws here to let anyone have guns, there would be such a mess...best not, eh?

hehe nice... the p90 and the .30-06 are actually for a friend. I wouldn't mind getting a Garand though. That AK is fun to shoot and all, but good luck at hitting anything past 150 yards.

I miss that GPMG

Ahh, the good old gimpy. I'm actually looking for a pair of good replicas for the Pinkie....

My friends father-in-law took us out a while back, and he has a Mini-14. That is a fun gun to shoot! I don't have any myself, but go out with buddies to the desert and shoot clays. But yeah, that mini-14 is lots of fun to shoot!

mini-14 is lots of fun to shoot

Yeah it's like a bigger plinking gun. A little more expensive to shoot than a .22 but if you shoot reloads it's not too bad. It's lots of fun with the 40 round clip! It's hard to get a tight grouping with it at a long distance, though. The M-1 is awesome with open sights up to 600 yds... in the right hands, and they're not mine!

Where can this stella be obtained in the US, more specifically in Southern California?