#207195 - 29/02/2004 10:04
Re: RioCentral
[Re: Daria]
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I don't remember for sure but I think it was something like cd## track # really generic.
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#207196 - 29/02/2004 10:09
Re: RioCentral
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I'm just wondering if I got one and ripped a stack of cds if it would be obvious what was what afterward.
Probably I won't get one; It's a neat idea but it's not worth $500 to listen to music at home, the PC I have copies of music on is on 24/7 anyhow with 2/3tb of disk spinning...
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#207197 - 29/02/2004 10:22
Re: RioCentral
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I don't get too many it doesn't find so it hasn't been a problem. I really like the idea but the problem is with two other mp3 players I still have to keep everything on the pc anyway. They need to make a product suite that has a home, car, and portable player in one package and have them all work together so you can rip and store everthing on the home player then copy to the protable and car players. I am guessing that is kind of what they were going for but it didn't work out.
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#207198 - 29/02/2004 10:58
Re: RioCentral
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I'm just wondering if I got one and ripped a stack of cds if it would be obvious what was what afterward. Yes, it's obvious, because you can look at the number of tracks on the album and their running times and match up a given CD to a given untagged album. Or just play one of the tracks. 
Also, I wanted to say that Emplode is not the only way to fix up tags. You can do it from the remote (not easy) or from a USB keyboard (a bit easier). So the PC isn't required.
Another note is that the CDDB is pretty comprehensive (although not error-free), so it's very rare to rip a stack of CDs and have even one unrecognized album, let alone more than one.
the PC I have copies of music on is on 24/7 anyhow with 2/3tb of disk spinning... This is an example of one of the situations where I would not target-market the Rio Central: You've already got a music server covered. I like the Central because it's a silent 24/7music server, and I didn't already have one.
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#207199 - 29/02/2004 11:03
Re: RioCentral
[Re: msaeger]
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I really like the idea but the problem is with two other mp3 players I still have to keep everything on the pc anyway. With the latest release of Jemplode, I can now copy freely between the Central, the Empeg, and the Karma, and I don't technically need to store the files on the PC any more. I still keep them there because I'm beta-testing the Karma and need to wipe it often for certain tests, but if I were just an ordinary user I wouldn't need to.
They need to make a product suite that has a home, car, and portable player in one package and have them all work together so you can rip and store everthing on the home player then copy to the protable and car players. I am guessing that is kind of what they were going for but it didn't work out. Yeah, I agree. If the Central had taken off, we'd be plugging the empeg and the Karma (and all the other new Rio portables) directly into it right now. That was the dream. Ah well. 
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#207200 - 29/02/2004 11:14
Re: RioCentral
[Re: tfabris]
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This is an example of one of the situations where I would not target-market the Rio Central: You've already got a music server covered. I like the Central because it's a silent 24/7music server, and I didn't already have one.
I'm not necessarily averse to moving functionality off that server onto other things; if I moved enough off it I could crash it more often (I also do some development including kernel development on it) but even at a considerably discounted $500 the Central probably isn't sufficiently cheap to make that the next functionality I move off it. (I moved several things onto the machine I replaced my router with, a $100-on-clearance GallantWeb email server I'm not using the bundled software with).
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#207201 - 29/02/2004 12:15
Re: RioCentral
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Yeah, I agree. If the Central had taken off, we'd be plugging the empeg and the Karma (and all the other new Rio portables) directly into it right now. That was the dream. Ah well.
That's why it would be good if they made all three products together and sold it in one package. Then we wouldn't have to worry about it doing well to get support for other produts because they would work together out of the box.
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#207202 - 01/03/2004 04:17
Re: RioCentral
[Re: peter]
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Loc: Palo Alto, CA
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I think what would really rule would be the Rio Central codebase (+LAME) running on an Epia fanless wonder with a touchscreen TFT hooked up. Sort of like the dev platform I was thinking of for Central II.
Hugo
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#207203 - 01/03/2004 05:33
Re: RioCentral
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Any chance of you getting a few brought over if you have contacts
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#207204 - 01/03/2004 08:46
Re: RioCentral
[Re: altman]
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Have you thought of just selling the software and the user could supply the hatdware ?
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#207205 - 01/03/2004 09:42
Re: RioCentral
[Re: altman]
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I think what would really rule would be the Rio Central codebase (+LAME) running on an Epia fanless wonder with a touchscreen TFT hooked up. Sort of like the dev platform I was thinking of for Central II. Except for the fact that Epia fanless wonders come in nicer cases than the one the mucking funkies who designed Rio Central came up with, what's all that bad about the Central's existing platform? Proper ethernet would be good but apart from that it's pretty much sorted.
Peter
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#207206 - 01/03/2004 10:03
Re: RioCentral
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Registered: 18/01/2000
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Epia fanless wonders come in nicer cases
That's just so tempting right now. Unfortunately, I think Jen would kill me.
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#207207 - 01/03/2004 10:07
Re: RioCentral
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I think one of their fanless P4 machines will be my next desktop.
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#207208 - 01/03/2004 18:21
Re: RioCentral
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Does anyone know anything about the AVX music server hush is selling now ?
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#207209 - 01/03/2004 21:05
Re: RioCentral
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The price according to the web site, EUR 1.750,00 , seems a little high, some cool features though.
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#207210 - 01/03/2004 22:33
Re: RioCentral
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Ordered a Rio Central from overstock.com, this will finish off my home music project.
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#207211 - 01/03/2004 23:06
Re: RioCentral
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That's what I say too but I am still curious about it.
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#207212 - 02/03/2004 09:53
Re: RioCentral
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Registered: 10/06/2002
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Something I've not seen discussed here and very little on the "proper" forum is that can the hard drive be replaced with a MUCH larger one on the central? I am currently using a separate computer for music storage as I've got a 250GB drive there... so the central by itself would be only local storage and not mass storage of all my music. Any thoughts?
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#207214 - 02/03/2004 10:39
Re: RioCentral
[Re: andy]
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The thread you linked to is inconclusive in that regard. I think someone just has to try it, and see what happens.
There are two kernels: the "flash kernel", which likely lacks LBA48 support, but which also has no need for it, so long as the "disk kernel" can be found within the first 128GB of the drive.
The "disk kernel" on the Central appears to already have LBA48 compiled in, so it should be able to use drives up to 2TB or so.
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#207215 - 04/03/2004 13:48
Re: RioCentral
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RioCentral just arrived. My god. It's huge.
-brendan
PS - and the darn USB<->Ethernet adapter doesn't arrive until tomorrow.
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#207216 - 04/03/2004 13:54
Re: RioCentral
[Re: brendanhoar]
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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"My God, it's full of songs."
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#207217 - 04/03/2004 13:56
Re: RioCentral
[Re: tfabris]
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Heh. Those were *exactly* the words that came to mind.
-brendan
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#207218 - 04/03/2004 14:02
Re: RioCentral
[Re: brendanhoar]
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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In the right light, the prototype lexan-cased versions of the Central looked kind of like the monolith, too...
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#207219 - 04/03/2004 16:29
Re: RioCentral
[Re: tfabris]
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Ok, this device is even cooler that I thought it could be:
1. It comes with a couple year old copy of the CDDB inside. Supposedly, once I actually bother to connect it to something, the newish firmware has an update to the CDDB too.
2. If it can't connect to the internet, it defers tagging new MP3s until it can connect (I think?)
3. If it has trouble making MP3s, instead of ejecting the CD, it says there was trouble. If you eject the CD and insert it again, it tries ONLY THE TRACKS THAT FAILED LAST TIME.
Whoa.
-brendan
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#207220 - 04/03/2004 16:40
Re: RioCentral
[Re: brendanhoar]
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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Supposedly, once I actually bother to connect it to something, the newish firmware has an update to the CDDB too. Unfortunately, you won't see its software auto-update feature working. Cancelled product and all. So you can't get your new CDDB that way.
At www.rioaudio.com, there is a downloadable ISO image that you can use for an update (burn onto a CD, insert CD into Central). There are two of them, a smaller one with just the firmware, and a larger one with a newer CDDB. However, at last report, the larger of the two files is corrupted. So only get the smaller one. That smaller one is necessary, though, since it fixes a couple of egregious bugs.
If it can't connect to the internet, it defers tagging new MP3s until it can connect (I think?) It defers tagging until you go in and select "Connect now to download album information (3 albums)" or something like that. I don't think it does that part automatically.
it tries ONLY THE TRACKS THAT FAILED LAST TIME. Yup, it's pretty smart about that stuff.
Also, try multiple-CD mode, that's pretty cool. However, only do it AFTER you've gotten the 1.04 software update installed. One of the fixed bugs is that it sometimes rebooted if it was in multiple-CD mode.
And don't try to do your whole collection in one go. Just do it in batches, say 10 CDs or so. Because it encodes in the background, there's a such thing as feeding it too much to chew on at once.
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#207221 - 04/03/2004 17:07
Re: RioCentral
[Re: tfabris]
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Re: auto-update
Actually, I was talking about the deferred tagging there. Wasn't clear on my part.
Thanks for the heads up on the bad ISO. I was going to grab the bigger one...
It's in multiple-CD mode now. Done about 15, half untagged. No crashes yet. I suppose the "Feeding It Too Much" issue is due to the arm encoder being a bit...slow...
Does the CPU have a fpu?
I haven't connected it to RMM at all, since when I hooked it up, I got a driver error AND it caused the karma to not be recognized until I unplugged it. Hrm. Gotta play with that later.
Didn't know the firmware update was via CD-R. I can do that next.
-brendan
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#207222 - 04/03/2004 17:10
Re: RioCentral
[Re: brendanhoar]
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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I haven't connected it to RMM at all Because RMM doesn't work with it. You use emplode. 2.0 final is fine. Or, if you have an ethernet adaptor for it, the latest Jemplode works and lets you do hierarchical playlists.
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#207223 - 04/03/2004 17:13
Re: RioCentral
[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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Loc: Seattle, WA
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I suppose the "Feeding It Too Much" issue is due to the arm encoder being a bit...slow... Not really, it's more of a disk space issue. Those CDs have to be stored in raw mode on the hard disk until the encoding is done. You can fill up a 40gb disk drive pretty quick if you keep shoving CDs in.
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#207224 - 04/03/2004 18:20
Re: RioCentral
[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 23/09/2000
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Loc: Minnetonka, MN
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When I got mine I just kept feeding it cds until the drive got full and then I waited for it to finish encoding to feed it some more.
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