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#227724 - 18/07/2004 13:06 new iPods
auser
Quiet One

Registered: 20/04/2004
Posts: 0
Loc: CH
here's the link
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5457434/site/newsweek/
sadly it's not a new karma
cheers
--edited: corrected url formatting


Edited by auser (19/07/2004 04:55)

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#227725 - 18/07/2004 17:00 Re: new iPods [Re: auser]
drakino
carpal tunnel

Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
Loc: Seattle, WA
Ever so slightly slimmer (again)
12 hour battery life, up from 8 - much needed improvement, could be better though
new scroll wheel copied off the iPod mini - not a huge deal
UI changes - Minor tweaking that could have been done to existing models
20 and 40gb - Still has the Karma beat for size, and the high end iPod price spot sits empty, awaiting the 60gb versions.

For me, 40gb would probably be about what I could squeeze my music onto. The Karma's 18.6 gb usable space was difficult, and so my Europe trip music has been lacking a few albums I wished were on there.
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#227726 - 18/07/2004 17:50 Re: new iPods [Re: drakino]
mtempsch
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Registered: 02/06/2000
Posts: 1996
Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden
Had I not won the Karma in Amersfoort, I would probably have bought the smaller of the coming new Rio HD players (looked sweeeeet). If I wanted everything with me, I'd have to bring the empeg anyway (or computer)...
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#227727 - 19/07/2004 04:53 Re: new iPods [Re: mtempsch]
auser
Quiet One

Registered: 20/04/2004
Posts: 0
Loc: CH
> the smaller of the coming new Rio HD players
oh don't do that to me! "players" ah when, when, when?
ok, It'd be nice if they could get the karma to europe for a competitive price (250) anyhow

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#227728 - 19/07/2004 18:50 Re: new iPods [Re: drakino]
loren
carpal tunnel

Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3824
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
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UI changes - Minor tweaking that could have been done to existing models

What's up with this and Apple... they don't seem to trickle down interface improvements into older models. Why is this? Is it because the interface is hard coded (unlikely) or because they want to push newer iPod sales to people with older iPods.?
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#227729 - 02/08/2004 15:54 Re: new iPods [Re: drakino]
ninti
old hand

Registered: 28/12/2001
Posts: 868
Loc: Los Angeles
One of my friends just bought one (he calls the Karma ugly and refuses to listen to me when I tell him how much better it is). I have spent some time playing around with it and I have to say the new wheel/button combo works very well.
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#227730 - 02/08/2004 21:14 Re: new iPods [Re: loren]
msaeger
carpal tunnel

Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
They do it for their computers so why not the mp3 players too.
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#227731 - 05/08/2004 14:52 Re: new iPods [Re: msaeger]
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3824
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
Examples? MacOSX updates work on all older hardware, unless you're talking a chipset that it's just plain too much work to code for. There comes a point where backward compatibility isn't worth it, but the iPods hardly seem to fall in that category,
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#227732 - 05/08/2004 19:38 Re: new iPods [Re: loren]
mcomb
pooh-bah

Registered: 31/08/1999
Posts: 1649
Loc: San Carlos, CA
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but the iPods hardly seem to fall in that category

As I understand it, the version 1 and 2 iPod's software was done (at least mostly) by a third party. The version 3 iPod's software was done in house and may or may not have been based on the previous software. I figure that gives them an excuse for not supporting many new features on the oldest iPods. I'm not sure that any of the changes from the v3 to v4 iPod where significant enough for most people to really care if they made it to the older players.

-Mike
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#227733 - 09/08/2004 10:53 Re: new iPods [Re: mcomb]
altman
carpal tunnel

Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3452
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
Rev1/2 had their operating software stored in flash. Rev3+ stored it in SDRAM, which removed the 2MB size limitation that (at least the original) Rev1 had.

Rev4 uses the 5020 CPU, which (though it has the same twin ARM7 architecture) is significantly different and so harder to backport code from to the 5002 that was in rev1-3.

Hugo

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#227734 - 09/08/2004 12:08 Re: new iPods [Re: loren]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
I remember when OSX came out people were having to use hacks to get it to work with macs that had processer upgrades. There was a hack that would trick the osx install program into thinking you had a newer mac then it would install and run fine.

I agree that backward compatibility isn't always worth it but that case just seemed like they were trying to force people to but new computers.
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#227735 - 10/08/2004 23:46 Re: new iPods [Re: altman]
loren
carpal tunnel

Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3824
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
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Rev1/2 had their operating software ....... that was in rev1-3.


Now that explains it. =]
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