I remember there was a way to upgrade/downgrade software via ethernet rather than serial, but could not find anything by serching the board... Anybody remembers?

Upgrader - one of Mark's creations. Click the Hijack link up top...

That's True! Thank you!

I got the .tar file, and inside there's an 'UPGRADER' file which does not seems to be a windows executable, which is what i need now... ?

That's most likely a Linux executable. See if you can find a Win32 executable.

Ah, he's got one in the TGZ file, it's in the win32 subdirectory, but I think it requires cygwin. I'll mess with it and see if I can get it working and give instructions.

Yeah, it requires cygwin1.dll, which Mark does not include in the TGZ file. I don't think you're allowed to redistribute cygwin anyway, so that's probably why.

I have a version of cygwin1.dll that I use for FindEmpeg, but it doesn't work with Mark's program. I get the error message:

"The procedure entry point __getreent could not be located in the dynamic link library cygwin1.dll".

I suppose I need a different version of Cygwin.

This is why I gave up on trying to use it a long time ago and just said "screw it, I'll use the serial cable." Why does this stuff have to be so hard?

God, the process for getting the newest Win32 version of Cygwin is terribly and unnecessarily convoluted. Why does this stuff have to be so hard? All I want is one fucking DLL.

Uhmmm... You can download just the DLL from here: http://cygwin.com/snapshots/

Thanks for your efforts Tony. I totally agree in this being totally convoluted.

I did all this successfully in the past, but now I'm not at home (which is why I don't have a serial cable) and I am doing all over again. I completely forgot everything. I am going to write a doc for the windows users, hoing it helps, and give it to you to put in the FAQ, if you agree.

Anyway, here's what I did so far (I made some progress, and I need to complete this hopefully by tonight):

1) Got the upgrader_0.8_cygwin.exe file attached by Mataglap (IIRC) in this board. I found and lost it Here is the versione 0.6 http://empegbbs.com/ubbthreads/showflat....true#Post197549
0.8 must be somewhere else on the board.

2) Got the cygwin1.dll

I now need ncftpput and gunzip. They have to be in path in order to make the whole thing work. I think I found ncftpput here: http://www.ncftp.com/download/dlf2.html . I downloaded and installed the win32 version, and from the installation dir I took ncftpput.exe and put it in path.

I am now lookin for gunzip. Hopefully I'll succeed. I'll post as I'm done...

I believe you also need to provide the source for the DLL you're offering in order to be compliant with the GPL.

http://cygwin.com/licensing.html

Edit: ok, I'm trying this too... I found the subdir in the archive.

Thank you again.

When I open Mark's file with Winzip, I see a couple of subdirectories full of several different files. Among those files is a subdirectory called "Win32" with three executable files in it.

I don't know what WinRar's problem is, try Winzip instead.

For some reason Winzip (9.0) did not even opened the file.

However, I'm giving up. I eventually opened the targz file, found all the files, tried them, tried installing cygwin completely and working in the cygwin environment. Nothing. The player seems not to notice that someting is being sent to it. I'll try with a serial when I get it.
When I'm home I'll find the doc I worote for myslef and post it here, hoping it helps somebody else.

I can ping, ftp, and http the adress.
No password is required.
I disabled my firewall.

It seems to me there's some other prolem I can't figure out.

ncftpput in the right place?

It was. It actually was in the local directory, in a dir which is in the path variable, in c:\windows, in c:\windows\stsrem32 (so three times in the path variable). Nothing. Also, now that I am back home I verified and I was doing exaclty what I had previously successfully done. Only difference, I was using a crossed cable. I doubt that was the problem, though, since I could ping, ftp, http my player.

oh! oh! i know! you NEED to setup a cygwin enviornment, because mark lord has hard wired /dev/null redirection into the ncftpput execs. hence, it hangs at that point. relevant stuff here, never replied to:

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try this. its everything u need, even findempeg. just use the up.bat script. there are quirks tho. since you're not in a cygwin bash shell, /dev/null isn't avaliable, so you wont auto-standby nor reboot. i probably can change it to ^Z but i'm lazy. also, findempeg has trouble when you have two empegs. modify the up.bat to accept a serial# if thats the case. put latest cygwin1.dll in the unzipped folder.

Isn't there any way to port this thing to Windows in such a way that you don't need to install the full cygwin environment?

I can't imagine it couldn't be ported directly to Windows, but I can't imagine Mark would do it, either.

LOL. You should get yourself a Knoppix disc.

Does anyone happen to know if Mark's upgrader is just the serial upgrader that writes to a /proc file or something instead of the serial line? If so, I have a Java port of the serial upgrader that could be trivially converted over to use an FTP stream instead of a serial stream. If that would be useful to people that is ...

It splits the upgrade apart and writes to the appropriate /dev files for the disk slice, or /proc files for flash, iirc.

And whoever asked: well, I assume you can find the source somewhere on the Hijack site, and I know it's been posted on the bbs as an attachment.

I can probably find the 0.8 source if you need it.

this feature gets popular around the times a new player is released, so that people can go back and forth much quicker between versions. so yeah, if java can do it trivially, i say it would be really handy, especially when a public alpha rears its ugly head. (still montering www.empeg.com/v3alpha hourly btw). i don't believe it took this long last year between a new release and the euromeet.

being a Mac user, I'd find it pretty useful! It's a pain having to bring a Win32 laptop home from work to do upgrades.