#236032 - 05/10/2004 18:59
Re: Dear John
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You should read Sympathy for the Devil, an essay about Dick Cheney written by John Perry Barlow, Grateful Dead lyricist and co-founder of the EFF. Very revealing piece about Barlow's dealings with Cheney when Cheney was a Wyoming congressman.
Edited by wfaulk (05/10/2004 19:19)
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#236033 - 05/10/2004 19:07
Re: Dear John
[Re: wfaulk]
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You should read Sympathy for the Devil, and essay about Dick Cheney written by John Perry Barlow,
Both of them? Oh, you meant "an" essay. 
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#236034 - 05/10/2004 19:19
Re: Dear John
[Re: Daria]
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Oops. Fixed.
Actually, syntactically, with that typo, "essay" would be a verb, which would mean I'd want you to read and then write an essay about "Dick Cheney written by JPB". Now, I'm not sure how we can modify Dick Cheney with an attribution to his author....
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#236036 - 05/10/2004 19:29
Re: Dear John
[Re: wfaulk]
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Oops. Fixed.
Actually, syntactically, with that typo, "essay" would be a verb, which would mean I'd want you to read and then write an essay about "Dick Cheney written by JPB".
... which is even more nonsensical, really.
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#236037 - 05/10/2004 19:29
Re: Dear John
[Re: tfabris]
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Bitting Bitt. I hear you can go blind doing that... 
That might actually be better. At minimum it would certainly solve some problems.
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#236038 - 05/10/2004 19:35
Re: Dear John
[Re: Daria]
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Hey, if you're going nonsensical, you might as well go whole hog.
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#236039 - 05/10/2004 19:45
Re: Dear John
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Hey, if you're going nonsensical, you might as well go whole hog.
I've been gone for years. Ask anyone.
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#236040 - 05/10/2004 19:54
Re: Dear John
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#236041 - 05/10/2004 20:25
Re: Dear John
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 I'm ashamed of myself. I was so caught up with the fact that Bush has Blair's picture on the credenza that I missed the issue with the phone.
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#236043 - 05/10/2004 21:55
Re: Dear John
[Re: tfabris]
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funny photo, but the phone looks to me to be on his right (in real life), and the photo in the background doesn't have the same aspect as the frame.
I like the one with the field glasses with the caps still on better.
I wonder if Bush supporters could pick a different v/p, who would they choose?
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#236044 - 05/10/2004 22:21
Re: Dear John
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I like the one with the field glasses with the caps still on better.
Lol! hadn't seen that one before.
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#236045 - 06/10/2004 00:47
Re: Dear John
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Webroach: Quote:
I'm sorry to all the Bush supporters on the board, but I have a hard time buying that you're supporting him for any other reason than shared faith. By that I mean, faith in the Christian god, faith in keeping gays from marrying, faith in ... in whatever. I don't know. But I do know that I understand what Kerry said about "re-considering your decision based on the new information" (not sure if that's exactly how he put it). And I know that if you showed a Christian proof, solid proof that none of it was real, they woulod say "you're wrong, because I believe". And that is exactly what I see from Bush.
I read your comments with interest, and thought of them this morning when I heard this locally-produced story about voter registration drives in Washington State churches (evangelical, in particular).
The quote that hit me was this:
ARMSTRONG: “The moral issues are really going to determine whether God blesses this nation, and if God blesses this nation, we don’t have to worry about the economy, we don’t have to worry about what our insurance rates are going to be, we don’t have to worry about all these other important issues – the bottom line are these moral issues.”
So I am going to say -- that if you can judge from this gent's point of view -- that your assessment may be correct. Economy? Environment? Peemptive war? War crimes? The economy??? No matter! So long as the candidate lines up correctly on certain "moral" issues, then nothing else matters. If we are "blessed", then everything else will work out as a matter of course.
Scared? You bet.
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#236046 - 06/10/2004 01:33
Re: Dear John
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Scared? You bet.
I'm not nearly as scared by this guy as I am by people I know who, though I want to believe they are intelligent and worthy of respect, find nothing wrong with what he said.
But yes, I am scared.
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#236047 - 06/10/2004 07:02
Re: Dear John
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Economy? Environment? Peemptive war? War crimes? The economy??? No matter! So long as the candidate lines up correctly on certain "moral" issues, then nothing else matters.
Well, that's not necessarily a view reserved for the right wing. I'd agree with him that the economy is less important than moral matters -- it's just that moral matters for me include the environment (the despoiling of which is good for the economy, at least in the short term) and pre-emptive wars (the waging of which is also good for the economy, at least in the short term).
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#236049 - 07/10/2004 00:07
Re: Dear John
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I have no idea what America would do with the $150B+ we've put into this "war".
Oh, we could build 200 nuclear-powered aircraft carriers! Oh, wait -- that would be nuk-u-lar powered carriers, wouldn't it?
Seriously, though...
How about two million fully-subsidized college educations... It almost makes me weep to contemplate the long-term benefits to the country of a program like that.
tanstaafl.
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#236050 - 07/10/2004 01:07
Re: Dear John
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How about two million fully-subsidized college educations... It almost makes me weep to contemplate the long-term benefits to the country of a program like that.
GASP!!! How can you even suggest that educating our people could be a better idea that support the whims of our FEARLESS LEADER?!?!?
Pffft. Now really.....what the hell good would a bunch of educated people be? It's not like they could be the president or anything. We've apparantly set an IQ cap on that job. And set it looooooow.
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#236051 - 07/10/2004 01:16
Re: Dear John
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Pffft. Now really.....what the hell good would a bunch of educated people be?
A little Truth or Consequences quiz for anybody on the BBS who is getting ready to pull the lever for GWB:
Situation: A series of CAT scans and MRIs reveal that you have a brain tumor. Operable....but very, very tricky. Your neurologist refers you to a neurosurgeon and that neurosurgeon turns out to be George W Bush.
Soooo, the big question: Do you go under the knife? Or do you go looking for a different neurosurgeon?
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#236052 - 07/10/2004 01:29
Re: Dear John
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Economy? Environment? Peemptive war? War crimes? The economy??? No matter! So long as the candidate lines up correctly on certain "moral" issues, then nothing else matters.
Well, that's not necessarily a view reserved for the right wing.
I'm probably as guilty as the next person of some single issue, but I can't see the speck in my eye at the moment, I think the astigmatism is hiding it. So instead I will point my finger at both sides of the abortion argument, where you've got plenty of one-issue voters.
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#236054 - 08/10/2004 20:21
Re: Dear John
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I like the irony that you're trying to vote in a John and we're trying to vote one out
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#236055 - 09/10/2004 04:06
Re: Dear John
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I thought your prime minister was a pig farmer. Oh right, that was only true on the Simpsons.
Simpsons is *not* life. Must keep telling myself that.
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#236056 - 17/10/2004 19:12
Re: Dear John
[Re: webroach]
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I'm sorry to all the Bush supporters on the board, but I have a hard time buying that you're supporting him for any other reason than shared faith. By that I mean, faith in the Christian god, faith in keeping gays from marrying, faith in ... in whatever. I don't know. [.........] I don't know if this country can survive another four years of someone who thinks its better to ignore new information and "stick to yer guns, by god."
Well, just to cheer you up, her's a long article by Ron Suskind in today's NYT.
Just kidding about the "cheer you up" part, but it certainly does support your contention vis-a-vis Bush's source of support.
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#236057 - 17/10/2004 19:18
Re: Dear John
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Simpsons is *not* life. Must keep telling myself that.
Yet these days, I find myself wondering which reality I'd rather live in.
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#236058 - 17/10/2004 19:47
Re: Dear John
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Well they did not 'yank' Comrad Klinton out of office, and at least Bush is not diddling the interns with cigars (that we know of!).
I am surprised at how liberal this board is...Just imagine Kerry (check out his real Viet Nam record) leading (?) a war or what he would have done in the first day after 9-11....scares the crap out of me.
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#236059 - 17/10/2004 19:49
Re: Dear John
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I just reread a bit of that Suskind article and one part jumped out at me again. Y'know, we all shake our heads now over the heady stock-option dot.com days and half-laughingly ask "*What* were we/they thinking???" Well, read this section of Suskind's article: Quote:
The [Bush] aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''
Bring back any memories? I submit (and can !, will I coin a term here?) that we are in the middle of the Faith Bubble .
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#236060 - 17/10/2004 19:50
Re: Dear John
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Err...what exactly do you think he would have done September 12th that is so scary?
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#236061 - 17/10/2004 19:58
Re: Dear John
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Just imagine Kerry (check out his real Viet Nam record) leading (?) a war or what he would have done in the first day after 9-11....scares the crap out of me.
Yeah, I shudder to think. Kerry probably would have been too chicken to commit US ground forces and probably would have weasled out by using Afghan warlords to chase Osama Bin laden -- and Bin Laden would have gotten away! Boy, that would suck.
And Kerry would probably have been too chicken to go into Iraq to get the WMD!
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