#237722 - 15/10/2004 12:50
Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
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I was reading an article on Toms Hardware about the Linksys NSLU2 and the guy suggested that this might work on it, and since the guy said the NSLU2 has a StrongARM processor I figured I would ask you linux gurus out here if it would work.  I know we got telnet I just prefer SSH
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#237723 - 15/10/2004 13:55
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: SonicSnoop]
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Registered: 21/01/2002
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Loc: Erie, CO
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Sure, because we all know that your username/password on the Empeg is super-confidential...
I'd like it for when I send my credit card numbers over to the Empeg...
Why would you want SSH on the Empeg? To increase the CPU usage?
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#237724 - 15/10/2004 14:10
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: cushman]
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Registered: 29/06/2002
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Well the main reason I prefer SSH is at work I have to disable ftp, but everyonce in a while I do need to move files, if I had ssh I would be able to use the SSH util to transfer files. Yes it uses a lil more cpu but so do just about every other application we throw on it. Im sorry if my previous post upset you in some way i was just wondering if it would work.
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#237725 - 15/10/2004 14:16
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: cushman]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 08/02/2002
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For those who use it at work on a network telnet is sniffable. I wouldn't want to upset a coworker and then find out that they've run "rm -rf" on my music partitions. Sure I could rebuild it all, but why go through the pain?
(Note that as I don't have any co-workers at the moment, and I'm not the kind of person to go around deliberately upsetting people, this isn't likely to happen to me, but I'd still like to see ssh on the empeg).
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#237726 - 15/10/2004 14:38
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: SonicSnoop]
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Registered: 21/01/2002
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No, no, I was just asking a question.
I don't work in an office so I was not able to see the relevance of putting SSH on the Empeg to transfer files. It just seemed like a waste at the time. So often I see people wishing for features that are not really needed on the Empeg except for the cool factor.
Didn't someone have a telnetd with a login/pw enabled? I seem to remember seeing that. That would stop genxia's vindictive cow-orker from the rm -rf.
Edit: I'm a dummy, forgot about the "sniffable" comment.
Edited by cushman (15/10/2004 14:39)
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#237727 - 15/10/2004 15:42
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: SonicSnoop]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31614
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Well the main reason I prefer SSH is at work I have to disable ftp, but everyonce in a while I do need to move files
Can't you use RZ and SZ from the terminal? I know it works over serial, never tried it with telnet.
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#237728 - 15/10/2004 16:00
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
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Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Telnet interprets some byte sequences as internal commands. I don't know if zmodem can be configured to avoid those sequences or not. Also, scp is much, much easier to deal with.
Honestly, I've always had a lot of trouble doing zmodem over the serial port since there's no flow control enabled.
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#237729 - 15/10/2004 16:01
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: cushman]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/12/2001
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Yeah. The telnetd with a login was me. I'll dig it out again.
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#237730 - 19/10/2004 11:52
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: genixia]
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Registered: 09/01/2002
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Loc: Tacoma,WA
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For those who use it at work on a network telnet is sniffable. I wouldn't want to upset a coworker and then find out that they've run "rm -rf" on my music partitions. Sure I could rebuild it all, but why go through the pain?
Of course the "rm -rf" trick would only work if they knew how to mount the drive read/write and where your music partition actually was. C'mon man- security through obscurity- it's the way to go! <sic>
Edited by siberia37 (19/10/2004 11:52)
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#237731 - 19/10/2004 12:21
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: siberia37]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 15/08/2000
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Even something non-malicious. It is quite easy with some commands / interfaces (thinking about charcoalgrey's for example) to set the drives read/write and forget it. Then I disconnect the power and find the filesystems are dirty and need and fsck.
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#237732 - 19/10/2004 12:33
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: pgrzelak]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
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That's why Hijack password protection was implemented!
Mind ya, that is also rather easy to hack..
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#237733 - 19/10/2004 12:35
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 15/08/2000
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True and true. I was just showing that it can be very easy to cause damage (well, perhaps just annoyance) without intending to, if the player is left open on a network.
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#237734 - 19/10/2004 14:32
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: siberia37]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31614
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security through obscurity
<Bitt>
I think you meant security through obfuscation.
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#237735 - 19/10/2004 14:34
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
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Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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<tonyc>
Er, no. The principle is known much better as security through obscurity in information security vernacular.
</tonyc>
<Google>
Results 1 - 10 of about 27,700 for "security through obscurity"
Results 1 - 10 of about 253 for "security through obfuscation"
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#237736 - 19/10/2004 14:36
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: tonyc]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
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Right. I've never heard of security through obfuscation. Your Bitt impression sucks, Tony.
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#237737 - 19/10/2004 15:04
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: Daria]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31614
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Damn. I'd first seen the term "security through obfuscation" in an IT trade publication ten years ago and never heard a different varaiant during all the intervening time.
I could argue that my way is a more accurate term, but clearly the masses have spoken. Sigh.
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#237738 - 19/10/2004 15:22
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 27/06/1999
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I could argue that my way is a more accurate term
<Webster>
Main Entry: ob·fus·cate
Pronunciation: 'äb-f&-"skAt; äb-'f&s-"kAt, &b-
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -cat·ed; -cat·ing
Etymology: Late Latin obfuscatus, past participle of obfuscare, from Latin ob- in the way + fuscus dark brown -- more at OB-, DUSK
1 a : DARKEN b : to make obscure
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#237739 - 19/10/2004 15:26
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 21/01/2002
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"security through obscurity" : 27,700
"security through obfuscation": 253
Edit: Jeebus, the links worked fine in preview. WTF?
Edit: It didn't like the double-quotes-as-% 22 inside the [ url] tag; it changed them to doublequotes too early somewhere. I changed them to "%2522". -wfaulk
Edited by wfaulk (19/10/2004 15:50)
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#237742 - 19/10/2004 15:54
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
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I could argue that my way is a more accurate term, but clearly the masses have spoken. Sigh.
You could, but Bitt doesn't argue that the generally accepted way is wrong; he tells you you failed to use the generally accepted way. You're not being Bitt, or if you are, you're an inferior substitute 
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#237743 - 19/10/2004 15:55
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: cushman]
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carpal tunnel
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I don't believe in scrollbars. I'm a bottom-post-only-reader 
[in the tone that you'd say mouth breather]Topquoter[/tone]!
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#237744 - 19/10/2004 16:56
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: Daria]
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carpal tunnel
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Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea^H^H^HBitt.
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#237745 - 19/10/2004 19:17
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
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: ) I wonder how many of the younger folk on the board remember that...
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#237746 - 19/10/2004 21:21
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/12/2001
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Who's going to install the GPP feature into the empeg then?
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#237747 - 20/10/2004 06:05
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: tman]
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802.11 connectivity module - "Share and Enjoy"
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#237748 - 20/10/2004 19:44
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: SonicSnoop]
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Registered: 30/06/1999
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I'm working on getting the debian OpenSSH server to work on a stock empeg kernel right now. It should be ready to download in the next few days.
I already have a running ssh server on my special configured empeg player (running a complete debian sarge distribution) since about two years.
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#237749 - 20/10/2004 20:34
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: alex25]
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Thank you very much!
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#237751 - 21/10/2004 11:21
Re: Use this for SSH on the Empeg?
[Re: alex25]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/12/2001
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How fast does it go? I compiled OpenSSH a while ago and found it be quite sluggish even with the player being idle/paused.
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