anyone else notice this? i switch between a couple of different computers during the course of a week to keep up with the bbs. recently, or since the upgrade more specifically, it seems that some messages that i have read before still show up as unread. maybe i am just not exiting the page properly, but just thought i'd ask.

still loving the empeg after 5 months. my wife even likes it.

jeremy

12 gig, green...

I regularly switch between two computers and everything seems fine to me. Perhaps you need to clear your cache, and more importantly, your COOKIES. Give that a shot and see if it improves things.

Also make sure that you're connecting to the pages with the extension of PHP instead of PL, since he upgraded the BBS. Perhaps some of the PL pages are hanging around, still.

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Tony Fabris

... it seems that some messages that i have read before still show up as unread...

I was thinking maybe I was just imagining things, but I think I have seen the same behavior, but only on two or three posts. This might have happened because of an ugly shutdown when Netscape froze on me the other day...

tanstaafl.



"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

i switch between a couple of different computers during the course of a week to keep up with the bbs. recently, or since the upgrade more specifically, it seems that some messages that i have read before still show up as unread.

I've seen this too several times, reading on a single computer. Usually, it's some messages from the day before appearing again as unread the next day.

Borislav

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it seems that some messages that i have read before still show up as unread.

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I read the BBS on three machines - work (Netscape), laptop (IE) and home (IE). I had one problem before this board moved to PHP and I have a greater problem now.

Before the change, most articles read at work (but not all) would show up as unread (new) on the laptop or home machines. Articles read on the laptop or home machines would show up correctly as read on the other machines.

After the change, I get the problem whichever machine I use. It's not every article, but about 75% of them - read them on one machine and they show up as unread/new on the others.

Strange.

Nick.

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Can somebody please confirm that they are still seeing
this problem since the last upgrade to 5.1.5php.

Also if you could let me know the article number so
I can check it in the database.

Cheers

Paul

Paul:
I am still seeing a lot of post that show as new that I've already viewed, it started before the last upgrade and seems to be getting worse.

Alan

Also, how come I appear as a "newbie"?

Alan

"Newbie" refers to the number of posts you have made. If you look at the user list, you can sort the columns by clicking on them...

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Tony Fabris

Can somebody please confirm that they are still seeing this problem

I am still seeing this problem.

I saw it at least four times this evening, but trying to go back and remember which posts they were... I could only come up with two. They are here and here.

They seem to be the final post in a thread that was then subsequently added to after I left the bbs on a previous day. Never more than one post erroneously reported as unread in any thread.

tanstaafl.


"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

.......by the way, according to this you should have carpal tunnel

Mk2 #105 12g blue
Car install complete...........Boat forthcoming

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Yes. Still seeing it.

Nick.


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No doubt literally, at approx 8 post everyday for the last year :) I hope Empeg gave him that MK2 for all the effort he's put into this board supporting the player, he deserves it.

Alan

Interesting, yeah, according to that post, there were rankings above "Old Hand". Now I feel cheated.

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Tony Fabris

I guess PaulH never expeced one user to account for 12.4% of the posts on the BBS...

Here are three more from tonight's reading:

here
and
here
and
here

tanstaafl.

"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

I am now seeing this problem for all posts made within the past three or so days from either of my home machines.

They now don't seem to mark any post as read, so if I shut down IE and start it up again, I still get massive quantities markes as unread.

Nick.


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This is very strange. I hop between a work machine and a home machine more than once every day, and I have not had this happen to me at all.

Has anyone experiencing this problem tried my original suggestion: Clearing out your cache and all your cookies on both machines?

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Tony Fabris

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Clearing out your cache and all your cookies on both machines?

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Go on, I give up. How do I clear out cookies on IE 5.5 (preferably only ones which relate to this site)?

Clearing cache hasn't helped.

Nick.


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Go on, I give up. How do I clear out cookies on IE 5.5 (preferably only ones which relate to this site)?

How I do it is, I locate my Temporary Internet Files folder (usually an adventure all in itself, especially on Win2k), and there should be a bunch of files, some of which are cookie files. Select them and press the Delete key. It should confirm "Are you sure you want to delete the selected cookie(s)?".

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Tony Fabris

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Clearing out your cache and all your cookies on both machines?

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Deleting the cookie seems to have worked on both machines. I'll see how it goes with the one at work tomorrow.

Nick.


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Paul,
I also noticed another bug:
when I try to put a less than/greater than sign in my posts, it gets swallowed by the preview screen.
ie: when I use & lt; and & gt; in my posts, the preview screen rewrites them to '<' and '>'

Frank van Gestel

Before I went to work this morning I had a looksee what was happening. Before I even touched my work machine, it's broken here again. I am now seeing posts marked 'new' that I have read on both this machine and the other previously.

I wonder if it's got anything to do with both machines having the same internet side IP address (they're masqueraded through my gateway). Mind you, that wouldn't account for problems with the work machine too.

It's getting annoying now.

Ho hum.

Nick.


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I wonder if it's got anything to do with both machines having the same internet side IP address

Probbly not -- I'm having the same problem, from both my work machine (on a cable modem) and my home machine (on a 56K modem) and every time I go to the bbs from either machine I always find anywhere from two to 10 posts marked as unread that I have already read. In one instance, the same post popped up twice (on different days) as unread when I had already read it.

Even if I read all the posts from one machine, I still run across this.

tanstaafl.

"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

Even if I read all the posts from one machine, I still run across this.

Same here - single machine, I see many read->unread posts every day. It didn't used to be that bad.

More data: the number of new posts shown on the main index page is correct. Individual forums and thread views, though, show the extra unread posts.

Don't think it has anything to do with cookies. Tried clearing them, didn't help. There are only three cookies for empeg.comms.net anyway - username, password, and style.

Confuzeled,
Borislav

By any chance, are you folks logging in from the main empeg.comms.net home page, or are you linked to a deeper sub-page, such as one of the old (obsolete) ".pl" files? Check to make sure that you're viewing the same actual pages on both machines.

I'm still not seeing this problem, and like I said, I go back and forth more than once a day.

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Tony Fabris

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such as one of the old (obsolete) ".pl" files?

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Whoops.

Say no more.

I'll see how I get on now!

Mind you, if they are obsolete, surely they shouldn't work?

Nick.


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Mind you, if they are obsolete, surely they shouldn't work?

May I remind everyone that I said this already in the very first reply to the original bug report.

I think the .pl files still work because Paul was keeping them around to make sure the transition went smoothly.

Can anyone confirm that this is the root of the bug? If so, I'll tell Paul about it.

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Tony Fabris

Mind you, if they are obsolete, surely they shouldn't work?

May I remind everyone that I said this already in the very first reply to the original bug report.

I'm guilty of the same thing. I didn't realize it before because the .pl URLs redirect you to the .php ones automatically.

Can anyone confirm that this is the root of the bug?

Please wait for a day or two, the biggest sense of déjà vu usually comes in the morning.

Borislav

I've been looking through some www-threads code and it seems no cookie is used for state-info.
All timestamps are stored in the server's database ( I cannot find a cookie w3t_visit in my cookies file). the perl version cannot be the problem I think. It should still update the same database
It also seems the database is only updated in postlist.php...
Sounds like a problem for [email protected]

Frank van Gestel

Can anyone confirm that this is the root of the bug?

Alas, the problem is still here. One of my own posts came back to haunt me today, together with lots of others.

Borislav

Alas, the problem is still here.

Darn, I thought I had it for a moment. Oh well.

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Tony Fabris

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Alas, the problem is still here

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Seconded.

Nick.


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Alas, the problem is still here

Thirded.

tanstaafl.

"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

Fourtherneded or something...


|| loren.cox
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I have not had this happen to me at all.

Just a thought. I almost never quit netscape or logout from the BBS. The problem usually occurs after a long period of inactivity, usually when I come to work in the morning (relatively speaking) but also (to a lesser extent) during the day after I haven't been checking the BBS for a while. It never occurs if I just sit and reload the index page.

What is your usage pattern, Tony? Do you logout or close your windows often?

Borislav

What is your usage pattern, Tony? Do you logout or close your windows often?

Yes, I actually fully shut down my computers when I leave them. Also, I'm rarely away from the BBS for more than half a day. If I'm on the computer, at all, I have a little program that re-checks the BBS at one-minute intervals and notifies me if there are any new posts.

I don't, however, ever choose the "logout" option. And although I clear my cache and cookies regularly, I don't necessarily do it every day.

Oh, oh, oh, here's a difference!!!!! I just realized!!! It's likely that no one else does this, so this may be the difference...

Every time I connect to the BBS, I log in fresh. I do not just go to the front page and allow my cookie to do the login work for me. The reason is that I've got a hand-made URL shortcut that feeds the BBS my username and password, and that's what I use to connect. The url looks like this:

http://empeg.comms.net/php/start_page.php?Loginname=myloginname&Loginpass=myloginpass&option=Login

This means I have a fresh login each time I hit the BBS when I swap machines. This must be why I'm not experiencing the problem. So, the problem must lie in how the new PHP code treats cookies from the same user on different machines.

I'd say that the temporary work-around (until wwwthreads fixes the bug) would have to be for everyone to choose the "logout" option at the end of their browsing session. Anyone willing to try that for a few days?

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Tony Fabris

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Well, I've just logged out and logged back in again and... lo and behold... All the messages it was saying were unread are now correctly marked.

Bit of a pain though, but if it solves the problem....

Nick.


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Hmm, I never log out specificially from the BBS, and also never suffer the issue others have described. I currently read the BBS on potentially 5 different browsers at home (depends on the machine, etc...) and 4 at work. I do usually close the window the BBS is in when I am done reading though, if that makes a difference.

I did the same, but after relogin truly unread posts were also marked as read...

Frank van Gestel

I'd say that the temporary work-around (until wwwthreads fixes the bug) would have to be for everyone to choose the "logout" option at the end of their browsing session.

Negative again. I logged out and completely shut down my browser before leaving work last night, there were undead posts in the morning.

Borislav

Okay, what about if you use that "hand-constructed" URL to log into the BBS? (See my prior post)

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Tony Fabris

Okay, what about if you use that "hand-constructed" URL to log into the BBS?

That's what I used to login this morning.

Borislav

Darn. Okay, I'm out of ideas, then.

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Tony Fabris

I'm out of ideas, then.

Okay....

Then maybe you can offer ideas on a different bbs problem I'm having.

For the last several days, my bbs access speed has been dramatically erratic. I might read four or five posts in a row that snap up within 2--3 seconds, then the next several postst might take as much as 1--2 minutes apiece, then it will return to normal speeds for the next few.

Overall, my average speed is probably about 1/4 the speed I have been used to. I have the same problems with both Netscape and IE.

??

tanstaafl.



"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

Completely different bug - the Previous/Next buttons at the top of flat view are too narrow. They look badly squished.

At least I think that's what they say - they're squished .


Roger - not necessarily speaking for empeg

I logged out and completely shut down my browser before leaving work last night, there were undead posts in the morning.

FWIW, same here. It used to work fine before the recent upgrade.

Peter

it seems that some messages that i have read before still show up as unread.

I am not totally sure of this... but it seems like the previously read posts that show up as unread fall into this pattern: One post from each Forum (like General, Technical, Programing, etc.) and that post will be the last post that was read in that forum in the previous bbs session, and possibly only if that session were in a previous day.

Can anyone verify this?

tanstaafl.

"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

It certainly seems to be like this for me. One post per board, per session.

Getting really boring now.

Cheers,

Paul.

Paul Haigh, Reg. 4120
(mk1) 6GB, Blue, 00254
(mk2) 12GB, Red, 00357

I am not totally sure of this... but it seems like the previously read posts that show up as unread fall into this pattern: One post from each Forum (like General, Technical, Programing, etc.) and that post will be the last post that was read in that forum in the previous bbs session, and possibly only if that session were in a previous day.

It's much more severe for me. Usually it's a few posts per forum, again the latest ones. Sometimes 20-30 of them go unread at the same time, when this happens I just read the latest in the "Past 24 hours" page and close the session to reset all of them again.

This is really starting to get on my nerves.

Borislav

Yeah...I run the same software for a different forum and I finally got sick of it and switched back to the perl version. (It doesn't suffer the bugs the PHP version does). The PHP is still very new for wwwthreads, and that's the problem (not a lot of real testing yet). Plus I'm much better with Perl than PHP. D

All in all I think the php port has gone reasonably well.
Now it is in general use a few bugs have been thrown
up - and those that I haven't been able to fix I've forwarded
on to the author.

Performace wise the PHP version is quicker and produces
less load on the server.

I am commited to getting the bugs fixed up and will chase
this up. I'm also going to look into sorting something out
about the missing spell checker!

Regards

Paul

I have been seeing someting similar and I finally figured out that it happens when I use the Browser's navagation buttons.

Bypassing the navagation links on the web page also bypasses the functions that update the new message counts.

-- Glenn

Bypassing the navagation links on the web page also bypasses the functions that update the new message counts.

Well.... yes and no.

Using the browser's "back" button does cause the web page display to be "out of synch" with what's actually read, but the messages themselves are flagged as read, and if you exit the bbs and come back again, you will see the previously read messages are now flagged as having been read -- except apparently for the last-read message in each forum.

tanstaafl.

"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

I've applied a bug fix to the bbs which may hopefully
fix the problem with read/unread posts.

Can people please delete any old cookies and let
me know how they get on.

Thanks

PaulH

> Can people please delete any old cookies and let
> me know how they get on.

This is the second time I see this post as unread...
I suppose the bug is still buggin'

Frank van Gestel

Thanks. Okay the software author has done some
tests with the site and can't find any problems!?

Can people that are still seeing this problem after
clearing their cookies please report their browser type/versions.

Thanks

PaulH

Still got the problem.

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At home, two machines running IE 5.50.4522.1800. The machine at work runs Netscape. I'l post that version tomorrow.

Nick.


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Technoweenie
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Yeah, well some of us are just stranger than others.



(Thank you, thank you, I'm here all week. Remember to tip your servers.)

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Tony Fabris

Okay the software author has done some tests with the site and can't find any problems!?

Apparently the bug doesn't affect everybody and it doesn't always occur. I needed a full day before I was sure it was still here.

Can people that are still seeing this problem after clearing their cookies please report their browser type/versions.

Netscape 4.75 on Linux.

Borislav

Some questions intended to help. Please feel free to ignore them.

Would this bug manafest itself if a member were to login in from several machines and never logout from any of them?

I guess I'm asking if the bbs needs the user to logout of a session on one computer before logging in on another?

Does the logout cause the server to read the final state of the cookies, so that information is available to be dumped into the next browser session?

I ask these questions because earlier it was said that the server stores some state information in cookies on the local machine.

Also would the borwser preference about checking the copy that is in cache, against the network version, have an impact on what the user sees happening?
-- Glenn

Would this bug manafest itself if a member were to login in from several machines and never logout from any of them?

I sporadically see this bug and I only ever log in from one browser on one account on one machine (IE 5.0, Windows 2000).

Peter

I still seem to be seeing the last read post from each forum, and my lasts posts from the previous session, marked as unread in my next session. I never log out, and connect from two machines, one with IE 5, and the other with Netscape 4.7. The observed behaviour is on IE, I can't remember how NS behaves.

One of the few remaining Mk1 owners... #00015

I still seem to be seeing the last read post from each forum, and my lasts posts from the previous session, marked as unread in my next session.

Uhhhh, yeah, what Rob said. Netscape 4.61.

tanstaafl.



"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"

I've applied a bug fix to the bbs which may hopefully fix the problem with read/unread posts.

It gets really bad sometimes - all posts for the last day can become unread at the same time. Interestingly, this only happens soon after midnight (PST). Luckily, at this point I only have a few really unread messages, so I read them from the "Past 24 hours" page, then logout and back in to reset everything. Oh well, it's not really unbearable but it'll be nice if it gets resolved at some point...

Thanks,
Borislav

Any new updates on this? Long ago I wasn't seeing it that much, but it seems to be nailing me almost every visit now. The one thing that has changed is I have moved from my mix of using Netscape 4.x and IE, to just IE. I'm also trying to watch it and see if it's also a possibility that a proxy here is affecting it.

I browsed through the thread about it on the wwwthreads board, and it seemed to be cookie related somehow. What effect would switching to session based tracking have on it?