#249778 - 17/02/2005 13:03
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#249779 - 17/02/2005 13:14
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[Re: andym]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
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Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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It looks like he needs a better motion detection algorithm. Those highlight boxes are consistently in stupid areas. I particularly like this one:  Oh my god! A DOOR! Never mind the burglar! It's a DOOR! Still, it got the job done.
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#249780 - 17/02/2005 13:23
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[Re: wfaulk]
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Yeah I'd be interested to see what we did. The article hints at him only writing part of the software and rest could've been open source stuff. I wonder if he used existing motion detection software and wrote the email wrapper himself.
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#249781 - 17/02/2005 13:35
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[Re: andym]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
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Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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It kinda reminds me of Motion. But it's not.
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#249782 - 17/02/2005 13:45
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[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 17/01/2002
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Loc: Manchester UK
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Ooh, thanks for the link. Think I might have a go at this myself.
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#249783 - 17/02/2005 14:23
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[Re: andym]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 06/02/2002
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Loc: Leeds, UK
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I can see an extension to my CCTV system happening very soon  I wonder if there is a way to link to my alarm and only turn the web cams on when the alarm is also turned on ??? Through some sort of serial link. This also makes me think I would have been better installing the CCTV server in the loft so it can't get stolen. I think I need a solution for that too!!! Can you do remote raid type functions over networks ??? Cheers Cris.
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#249784 - 17/02/2005 14:32
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[Re: Cris]
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carpal tunnel
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Sounds to me like simply FTP'ing your data elsewhere might be the answer. Some alarm systems have a closing contact when they're armed or you could stick an opto-isolator across the alarmed led on your control panel. I doubt a regular home alarm system would have a serial port on it.
Sticking the server in the loft will probably just result in regularly clogged fan filters and unreliable running in summer. As you can see the bloke actually stole the machine taking the pictures but because it emailed the data off site they still got their evidence.
That said, when I got done over, the first thing they did before entering the house was to cut the power.
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#249785 - 17/02/2005 15:54
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[Re: andym]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 16/04/2002
Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
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Think I might have a go at this myself
1) Let me have the program when you've done it
2) Maybe it can be my new marketing career to occupy my retirement! - I can make your fortune and only take 15%!
The answer to them cutting your power of, is surely to have a heavyweight UPS
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#249786 - 17/02/2005 16:03
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[Re: Cris]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 16/04/2002
Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
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I wonder if there is a way to link to my alarm and only turn the web cams on when the alarm is also turned on ???
Unless I've misunderstood you, you want your alarm sensors to start the webcam, but you don't want the alarm itself to go off and disturb the tealeaves.
I wonder whether he's the same guy who nicked our studio Mac's. Still the replacements are the dog's b******s (The censor's had a go at my flowing prose once today, I'm not risking it again) it's just that the insurance premium went through the sky.
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#249787 - 17/02/2005 16:28
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[Re: boxer]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 17/01/2002
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Okay then you've got a deal! I'll build it, you sell it.
I've got an old APC UPS knocking around but it needs new cells.
I'm dreading my home insurance renewal, a 2.5k payout will no doubt result in a nasty premium.
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#249788 - 17/02/2005 19:03
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[Re: andym]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 06/02/2002
Posts: 1904
Loc: Leeds, UK
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the first thing they did before entering the house was to cut the power.
Good point !!! Add a UPS to my christmas list for next year
I have a BT Home Monitor, it does have a serial port on the back. I have a spare main unit if you fancy helping me hack it, you are welcome to it when we are done. I have no idea what it outputs, it may even be disabled. Basically it is a cut down Visonic unit, it will control X10 but this feature is disabled on the BT unit.
I knew running a CAT5 to my alarm panel was good idea 
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Cris.
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#249790 - 17/02/2005 20:20
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[Re: Cris]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 16/04/2002
Posts: 2011
Loc: Yorkshire UK
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I may not have a network working, but I'm falling over in UPS's, I've got enough Peroni , Pinot Grigio and battery power to survive a holocaust (Oh, yes and a packet of pork scratchings).
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#249791 - 17/02/2005 20:25
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[Re: boxer]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 17/01/2002
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Loc: Manchester UK
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(Oh, yes and a packet of pork scratchings).
Mmm, hog lumps.....
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#249793 - 17/02/2005 20:52
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[Re: Dignan]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 17/01/2002
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That's pretty good, assuming you don't have any problems with the rebate. If it wasn't so heavy I'd consider asking a kind US-based BBS member to get me one and ship it over.
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#249794 - 17/02/2005 21:03
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[Re: andym]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
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Good point !!! Add a UPS to my christmas list for next year
Yes, and make sure you connect your ADSL modem to it too! No point having your CCTV server frantically trying to offload data to your secure backup site if the modem is off!
If they cut the power they can cut the network. Use a cellphone for uplink. A pay as you go phone which does data is all you need, since it will only need to call out when there is activity while the network uplink is off.
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#249795 - 17/02/2005 21:06
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[Re: Daria]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
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"They cut the power!"
"How can they cut the power?! They're animals!"
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#249796 - 17/02/2005 22:25
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Registered: 20/07/1999
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In that case you'd better send someone out to reboot everything.
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#249797 - 18/02/2005 01:19
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#249798 - 23/02/2005 18:59
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Registered: 17/01/2002
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Well I've installed Motion on one of my spare linux boxes and I'm seriously impressed, I setup a camera and an old video sender in the kitchen and caught the cat mid-scavenge.
It also captured an mpeg4 of the furry toublemaker in action
Looking at my files and the ones that guy had I think he might've used motion too. I'm now writing a swish web frontend to control multiple cameras around the house.
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#249799 - 23/02/2005 19:03
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[Re: andym]
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Registered: 06/02/2002
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Let me know when you get that working Cheers Cris.
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#249800 - 24/02/2005 08:14
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[Re: Cris]
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Registered: 01/10/2001
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Let me know when you get that working
AOL!
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#249801 - 24/02/2005 09:21
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[Re: julf]
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Loc: Leeds, UK
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AOL!
I have been looking around on the net for a while now, what does AOL! mean ??? Sorry for being a bit thick
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#249802 - 24/02/2005 09:28
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[Re: Cris]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 09/08/2000
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From the way many AOL users respod with me too:-)
LIL^H^HOL
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#249805 - 12/03/2005 18:52
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[Re: andym]
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Registered: 17/01/2002
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another shot.....
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#249806 - 12/03/2005 21:42
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[Re: andym]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 06/02/2002
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How did you interface it with your alarm ???
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#249807 - 12/03/2005 22:47
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Registered: 20/08/2002
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Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Not sure why you don't think it is motion. I've got motion running at home and it has the same stupid locate frames that always seem to be where the movement used to be ("locate on" configuration option) and the default configuration places the identical timestamp in the lower right corner. Sending the images off-site is probably done by the 'onsave' external program hook, which is passed the image filename as an argument. So that script could be as simple as Code:
#!/bin/sh
mpack -s"motion" $1 my-email(at)offsite.address
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#249808 - 13/03/2005 08:02
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[Re: Cris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 17/01/2002
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I might stick a BCD encoder on it to add more inputs or stick it directly onto some opto isolators across the status LEDs,
I should be able to get Main Power status, Tamper, Attack and Daytime mode status back. With the BCD addition I could also monitor individual zone alarms as well.
EDIT: Sorry Brain fade, a BCD encoder won't help. I'll just blow a PIC to stat mux the data instead.
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#249809 - 14/03/2005 01:07
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[Re: andym]
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Registered: 03/08/1999
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Loc: Canberra, Australia
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That said, when I got done over, the first thing they did before entering the house was to cut the power.
Even more reason to invest in a UPS...
*thinks: put the battery back-up under the house and have the web server and file server in a locked cabinet securely attached to the wall. Link the webcams up and do the motion-detection thing. FTP pictures to my public server or to my brother's computer. Also do backups to remote servers*
The question is not "is it too much work." The question is "is it more work compared to replacing all my stuff."
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#249810 - 14/03/2005 14:54
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Not sure why you don't think it is motion.
The boxes don't look like motion's boxes. Maybe there's some option to make the boxes look different that I'm not familiar with. Or maybe it's a weird artifact of the BBC's image manipulation.
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#249811 - 14/03/2005 22:55
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There's alot of camera packages that do this out of the box.. my cheapo creative webcam has software which automatically looks for motion and uploads to an email/ftp/web server when it finds it..
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