#255505 - 05/05/2005 19:21
AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
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Registered: 21/01/2002
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Kendrick pointed me to a cool, inexpensive Bluetooth adapter from AirCable. The one I bought and received today is the AirCable Serial Female. I ordered the wall wart power supply to go with it, especially since it was only $5. There was no shipping cost, but it did take them a week to get my order into the mail. Total cost: $74. The unit is small and light, about the size of the serial cable end of the Empeg null modem cable. It is a DTE device. It is configured by plugging it into a PC serial port and using a terminal program to send it commands. It can take 5-15V at 50mA over pin 9 for power. It supports the following Bluetooth profiles: SPP (Serial Port Profile), DUN (Dial-up Networking), LAN, OBEX. I've just used the SPP one so far. Most everything is configurable, including the name of the device, pin, etc. Their website has more information on it, including a command reference for the serial interface. So what can you do with it? Like mlord wants to do, you can use this as a replacement for your serial cable with your Empeg. I've watched the familiar serial log scroll across my laptop's screen, connected via BT. I had to switch the hardware flow control switch off on the adapter to let me send output, but it works like a charm. I'm going to add code to Palantir to allow you to send your playlist over BT instead of IrDA. I'll probably write a remote display and control app for the Palm, over BT. You can probably pair it with your phone to allow your Empeg Internet access. Do you have a BT hands-free kit in your car? There might be a way to use the Empeg as a caller-id display. Let's see what cool projects can come out of this!
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#255506 - 05/05/2005 19:48
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: cushman]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
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Okay, I want (at least) one of those suckers, maybe two.
Mark, can you buy a couple of them and then remail them to me? -- pending exact details (below). I can paypay you afterwards.. much cheaper for me this way than buying "direct" from them, since they only ship UPS ground to Canada (VERY expensive on the receiving end here).
Is the power supply necessary for the Empeg, or does it work just fine with pin9 power from the empeg?
Thanks
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#255507 - 05/05/2005 19:56
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: cushman]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
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Oh yeah, it'd be very very cool to have Palantir over BT.
And after that, I'd like to use Palantir over BT, but with some means for it to download the database from a running Empeg (possibly requiring an extra app running on the empeg, or enhancements to the existing app).
Really really cool!
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#255508 - 05/05/2005 19:59
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: mlord]
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Registered: 11/06/2003
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Is the power supply necessary for the Empeg, or does it work just fine with pin9 power from the empeg?
Documentation is no substitue for first hand knowledge, but http://www.aircable.net/AIRcable/manuals/SerialMan.html
says 5 - 15 VDC on pin 9 and use pin 5 as GND.
What would happen if that voltage is provided by the dock and a regular serial cable is used?
--Nathan
Edited by Mataglap (05/05/2005 20:02)
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#255509 - 05/05/2005 20:11
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: Mataglap]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
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To partially answer my own question -- in the car dock, no power exists on pin9. Ditto when in a mlord Home Dock, though that's easy enough to fix with a simple internal wire.
Dunno about the empeg back panel yet, though.
Cheers
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#255510 - 05/05/2005 20:13
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
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Mmm.. before we get too carried away with it all, somebody should configure pppd on the empeg serial port, so that we can use personal lan or some such stack on the Palm/PocketPC end of Palantir.
Then neato things like Palm Web Browser over BT could simply talk to the Hijack httpd server.. As could any BT-enabled notebook web browser.
Edited by mlord (05/05/2005 20:14)
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#255511 - 05/05/2005 21:50
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: cushman]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5914
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I have been hoping for something like this to BT enable my Garmin GPS.
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#255512 - 05/05/2005 22:55
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: cushman]
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#255513 - 05/05/2005 23:12
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: mlord]
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Registered: 21/01/2002
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Loc: Erie, CO
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To partially answer my own question -- in the car dock, no power exists on pin9. Ditto when in a mlord Home Dock, though that's easy enough to fix with a simple internal wire. Dunno about the empeg back panel yet, though.
No power on the Empeg back panel. I am going to wire up my dock to give it power on pin 9, and probably eventually rip out the sled to wire it up with power, too. I'll probably buy another module for in-car use only. As to what Mataglap said:
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What would happen if that voltage is provided by the dock and a regular serial cable is used?
I'd like to know that answer, too!
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#255514 - 05/05/2005 23:18
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: mlord]
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Registered: 21/01/2002
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Oh yeah, it'd be very very cool to have Palantir over BT.
Absolutely! None of those pesky line-of-sight problems anymore! I'm working on it now.
One thing you can help out with, though is the ability to open the serial port (for BT access) with my Empire app, but also allow commands to be written to /proc/empeg_notify. dbrashear was talking about doing it, but if you are going to be a user I'd think you would want this feature added, too. 
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And after that, I'd like to use Palantir over BT, but with some means for it to download the database from a running Empeg (possibly requiring an extra app running on the empeg, or enhancements to the existing app).
It can be done - I would have to rewrite the code to generate the Palm pdb file from Java to C to run on the Empeg. I rely pretty heavily on the fact that in jEmplode all the track info is stored in java objects in jEmplode, mschrag did a superb job exposing all aspects of the database to plugins.
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#255515 - 05/05/2005 23:21
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: tman]
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Rolf did this ages ago...
Yeah, I remember seeing what he had done. For sure I am not the first to think of this, kendrick saw the opportunity too, and pointed me to the serial adapter I bought. Rolf's adapters were very, very expensive and large at the time, and I didn't want to spend ~$250 on an adapter just then. $69 is much easier to justify.
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#255516 - 05/05/2005 23:22
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: andy]
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I have been hoping for something like this to BT enable my Garmin GPS.
Also, anyone who uses gpsapp might be able to use a Bluetooth GPS module with the Empeg now.
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#255517 - 05/05/2005 23:36
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: cushman]
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Rolf did this ages ago...
Yeah, I remember seeing what he had done. For sure I am not the first to think of this, kendrick saw the opportunity too, and pointed me to the serial adapter I bought. Rolf's adapters were very, very expensive and large at the time, and I didn't want to spend ~$250 on an adapter just then. $69 is much easier to justify.
Ouch. $69 is way better!
I think Kim (something like that?) did an internal Bluetooth mod. He disconnected the IrDA serial port and rewired it to a small Ericsson Bluetooth module. It's in the riocar.org gallery I think.
If you're really ambitious I guess you could get one of the Linux support PCMCIA Bluetooth cards and bolt it onto the internal IDE bus with a FPGA or whatever to interface...
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#255518 - 05/05/2005 23:53
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: tman]
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Registered: 21/01/2002
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I think Kim (something like that?) did an internal Bluetooth mod. He disconnected the IrDA serial port and rewired it to a small Ericsson Bluetooth module. It's in the riocar.org gallery I think.
Yeah, I saw that one, too (Kim Salo) but I didn't want to cannablize my IrDA port.
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If you're really ambitious I guess you could get one of the Linux support PCMCIA Bluetooth cards and bolt it onto the internal IDE bus with a FPGA or whatever to interface...
Problem is our kernel does not support any BT devices as far as I can tell. Bluez is only supposed to work in 2.4 kernels and up. I thought this was an obstacle until the serial port devices appeared. There are several that are similar to the one I bought, but they are all at least $150.
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#255519 - 06/05/2005 00:15
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: cushman]
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I think Kim (something like that?) did an internal Bluetooth mod. He disconnected the IrDA serial port and rewired it to a small Ericsson Bluetooth module. It's in the riocar.org gallery I think.
Yeah, I saw that one, too (Kim Salo) but I didn't want to cannablize my IrDA port.
If the bare modules are cheap enough (doubt it) then you could make your own version of the AirCable. The IrDA port is quite important for you I guess because of Palantir
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If you're really ambitious I guess you could get one of the Linux support PCMCIA Bluetooth cards and bolt it onto the internal IDE bus with a FPGA or whatever to interface...
Problem is our kernel does not support any BT devices as far as I can tell. Bluez is only supposed to work in 2.4 kernels and up. I thought this was an obstacle until the serial port devices appeared. There are several that are similar to the one I bought, but they are all at least $150.
Didn't know about BlueZ only being in 2.4.x.
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#255520 - 06/05/2005 00:57
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: cushman]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
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What would happen if that voltage is provided by the dock and a regular serial cable is used?
I'd like to know that answer, too!
No harm to anything. Pin9 is normally 12V "[EDIT] ring indicator" on a fully wired DB9 serial port, which is why these modules can use it for power in many setups.
Cheers
Edited by mlord (06/05/2005 00:59)
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#255521 - 06/05/2005 00:58
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: cushman]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
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One thing you can help out with, though is the ability to open the serial port (for BT access) with my Empire app, but also allow commands to be written to /proc/empeg_notify. dbrashear was talking about doing it, but if you are going to be a user I'd think you would want this feature added, too.
I can definitely see that happening in the not distant future.
Cheers
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#255522 - 06/05/2005 17:54
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: cushman]
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Registered: 08/08/2001
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Loc: CA, USA
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It can be done - I would have to rewrite the code to generate the Palm pdb file from Java to C to run on the Empeg. I rely pretty heavily on the fact that in jEmplode all the track info is stored in java objects in jEmplode, mschrag did a superb job exposing all aspects of the database to plugins
Why not just save the Palm pdb to the empeg as a normal file why syncing in jEmplode? Hell, you should be able to put the whole palm app on the empeg and just "transfer" the app via IRDA or BT as though the empeg was another Palm...
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#255523 - 06/05/2005 18:10
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: rbenech]
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Registered: 21/01/2002
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It can be done - I would have to rewrite the code to generate the Palm pdb file from Java to C to run on the Empeg. I rely pretty heavily on the fact that in jEmplode all the track info is stored in java objects in jEmplode, mschrag did a superb job exposing all aspects of the database to plugins
Why not just save the Palm pdb to the empeg as a normal file why syncing in jEmplode? Hell, you should be able to put the whole palm app on the empeg and just "transfer" the app via IRDA or BT as though the empeg was another Palm...
You're absolutely right. I was thinking about this today with the database, but I didn't think about putting the app on there, too. I'll have to investigate how the OBEX profile works with the AirCable - what I have to do to use it over serial.
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#255524 - 06/05/2005 19:25
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: cushman]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
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If we set up pppd on the empeg, to do TCP/IP over serial over BT, then the Palantir app could just fetch the DB on the fly from Hijack's web server.
Assuming a simple enough format for .pdb files (dunno), I could enhance Hijack to generate it on the fly on demand from the player's real database file and/or tag files.
Cheers
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#255525 - 06/05/2005 23:30
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: mlord]
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Registered: 21/01/2002
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Lots of good possibilities here. Let me get beaming playlists over BT done first, then I'll think about how to do the PDB over BT thing! Next week I will likely have time to get it pretty much finished.
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#255526 - 07/05/2005 00:10
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: cushman]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
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I have been hoping for something like this to BT enable my Garmin GPS.
Also, anyone who uses gpsapp might be able to use a Bluetooth GPS module with the Empeg now.
I would imagine it would work, since bluetooth gps are just serial (rs-232) over bluetooth, basically.
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#255528 - 09/05/2005 15:10
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: Daria]
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Registered: 09/12/2003
Posts: 150
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Awesome that you were able to make use from the Bluetooth Adapter, cant wait to use Palantir with it. This will make my parties even better, I can DJ the party while dancing from my Bluetooth Palm
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#255529 - 14/05/2005 21:33
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: Daria]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
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At first pass, it doesn't seem to want to pair with my Treo. No clue why. I type the Pin the P command assures me it has into the Treo, it screws around a while longer and tells me "FAILED".
I guess maybe later I will poke some more. Bleh.
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#255530 - 14/05/2005 22:58
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: Daria]
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Registered: 21/01/2002
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There is a debug mode with the adapter - ^A X1 turns it on. This might give you some more info.
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#255531 - 15/05/2005 01:30
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: cushman]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
Loc: Providence, RI
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There is a debug mode with the adapter - ^A X1 turns it on. This might give you some more info.
PAIRING
pin_code_reqest
pin 40150
pair_cfm
getting link_key
pin_code_reqest
pin 40150
pair_cfm
pairing timeout
pairing cancel
pairing fail
FAILED
It's like it's not bothering to finish in the alloted time.
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#255532 - 15/05/2005 02:06
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: Daria]
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Registered: 21/01/2002
Posts: 1380
Loc: Erie, CO
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Hrm.. dunno. Hopefully you'll get a reply on the AirCable board. Does it work with SPP? You can test using BTSerial.
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#255533 - 15/05/2005 14:41
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: cushman]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
Posts: 3937
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Hrm.. dunno. Hopefully you'll get a reply on the AirCable board. Does it work with SPP? You can test using BTSerial.
Well, wait, if it won't pair, before I've even told it that I care about DUN, should this even tell me anything?
For that matter, i suppose if it's a question of services I could try pairing with dun disabled.
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#255534 - 20/05/2005 00:15
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: cushman]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
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The two DB9F AirCable adapters I now have here work very well as serial port replacements for the new notebook computer (sans serial ports) with BT.
Thanks, Mark!
I've just now put together a DB9M--DB9M null-modem cable to let me use them for other devices around here (embedded boards, mostly), and they're working well (and easily!) enough that I'm not even going to bother getting a more conventional USB--serial cable.
Cheers
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#255535 - 20/05/2005 11:45
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
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No one has pointed this out, and maybe it's obvious, but a bluetooth interface on the empeg could potentially mean a nearly unlimited number of serial ports. Certainly more than the additional two or three people would like to see to support a GPS plus Palantir plus an OBD interface, etc.
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#255536 - 23/05/2005 07:30
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: wfaulk]
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Hey!  OBD interface always triggers my reply function 
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#255537 - 23/05/2005 10:09
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: bjoern]
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#255538 - 23/05/2005 10:32
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: Shonky]
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Awesome! If there's anything to test (generic stuff, I don't have a BMW), I have my diagnostic connector handy and a laptop with which I can log all the OBDII stuff; so just let me know.
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#255539 - 23/05/2005 11:51
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: bjoern]
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Registered: 12/01/2002
Posts: 2009
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
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I'm going to start a new thread on OBD. Here.... (clicky)
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#255540 - 23/05/2005 22:20
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
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Note:
The Hijack web page now links to an updated copy of (non-Windows version) download.c which is compatible with these Bluetooth dongles as well as with regular serial ports.
The original download.c choked on the BT connection because it tries to do I/O a single byte at a time.. took a very long time to perform a kernel download that way!
Cheers
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#255541 - 28/05/2005 14:30
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: cushman]
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If there is demand for it I can write a simple mobile application for symbian mobile phones. This would allow to display the actual playlist or to remote controll the empeg. This application should run on any symbian enabled smartphones. (mainly available from nokia)
Another possibility is to write a java application, as java is now supported on most of the new mobile phones. But the experience shows that mobile java code does not work correct on all java supported phones, particularly regarding bluetooth support. (The mobile needs at least to support jsr-82.)
But I only start implementing if there is demand for it. Please state also if you need a symbian or mobile java application.
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#255542 - 28/05/2005 17:05
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: alex25]
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But I only start implementing if there is demand for it. Please state also if you need a symbian or mobile java application.
I would love a java version!
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#255543 - 28/05/2005 17:59
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: julf]
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As a first step I just ordered one of this modules...
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#255544 - 28/05/2005 19:21
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: alex25]
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If there is demand for it I can write a simple mobile application for symbian mobile phones. This would allow to display the actual playlist or to remote controll the empeg. This application should run on any symbian enabled smartphones. (mainly available from nokia)
Any chance of a Symbian one for UIQ?
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#255545 - 24/07/2005 20:35
Palantir updates?
[Re: cushman]
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carpal tunnel
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Hey Mark!
Any changes to Palatir recently?
I'm just updating a bunch of stuff for a road trip, and having any of these (below) would be great:
(1) Palantir over BT.
(2) Search by (partial) track name, nested searches.
Cheers!
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#255546 - 24/07/2005 22:08
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: mlord]
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(1) Palantir over BT.
When is your trip? I have much of the work done on the Palm side, just a few things to work out there, but it is close. The Empeg side will still depend on the ability to insert into /proc/empeg_notify AND read from the serial port at the same time. The Palm stuff should be finishing up this week.
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(2) Search by (partial) track name, nested searches.
Not thought about yet, when the BT stuff gets done I can scope this. I have an idea of how it should be done, though.
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#255547 - 07/09/2005 02:17
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: cushman]
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carpal tunnel
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(1) Palantir over BT.
When is your trip? I have much of the work done on the Palm side, just a few things to work out there, but it is close. The Empeg side will still depend on the ability to insert into /proc/empeg_notify AND read from the serial port at the same time. The Palm stuff should be finishing up this week.
Hm. I dropped the ball on looking at this. I suck.
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#255548 - 07/09/2005 06:49
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: cushman]
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Registered: 07/01/2005
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Hey guys,
Its been a couple of months since any real activity on this thread, I'm just wondering whether anyone has any interesting BT apps working? When I get a Treo 650, I am totally going to get one of these dongles.
Question about Bluetooth though... can you pair multiple devices together? Could I have a Treo paired with a Bluetooth car kit for voice, and the Empeg for Palantir, and a GPS unit for Tomtom - all at the same time? Hey, could the Empeg also be paired to the GPS Unit for gpsapp?
Wow, that would be crazy.
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#255549 - 07/09/2005 07:50
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: sein]
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Registered: 10/06/1999
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Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
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Question about Bluetooth though... can you pair multiple devices together? Could I have a Treo paired with a Bluetooth car kit for voice, and the Empeg for Palantir, and a GPS unit for Tomtom - all at the same time?
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Hey, could the Empeg also be paired to the GPS Unit for gpsapp?
Probably not, all the Bluetooth GPS units I have seen so far will only talk to one device at a time.
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#255550 - 07/09/2005 08:56
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: andy]
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Question about Bluetooth though... can you pair multiple devices together? Could I have a Treo paired with a Bluetooth car kit for voice, and the Empeg for Palantir, and a GPS unit for Tomtom - all at the same time?
Yes.
Sweeet! Thanks Andy.
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#255551 - 07/09/2005 10:33
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: sein]
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Registered: 21/01/2002
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Loc: Erie, CO
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When I get a Treo 650, I am totally going to get one of these dongles.
Are you flying United anytime soon?
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#255552 - 07/09/2005 10:35
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: Daria]
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Registered: 21/01/2002
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Hm. I dropped the ball on looking at this. I suck.
Yeah, well, my app isn't complete yet either. I suck at non-work related project deadlines. At least it has been life that got in the way, and some cool life, too (climbing trips, surfing).
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#255553 - 07/09/2005 11:09
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: sein]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
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I never got the dongle to work with the Treo 650's bluetooth DUN, and stopped trying due to life getting otherwise busy.
I also tried the Treo with a Socket OEM bluetooth GPS, and found that both cetus and coto get data briefly and the connection drops. It seems that the Treo's bluetooth is somehow deficient.
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#255554 - 07/09/2005 11:12
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: cushman]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/01/2002
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Loc: Providence, RI
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Hm. I dropped the ball on looking at this. I suck.
Yeah, well, my app isn't complete yet either. I suck at non-work related project deadlines. At least it has been life that got in the way, and some cool life, too (climbing trips, surfing).
Hey, no argument there. I spent much of the summer biking, and while it's only been twice in the last week I'm going to do it again probably tonight. I also relearned how to bake and cook (over the weekend I made chocolate souffles, and last night I made a chocolate cheesecake, and all of this stuff will be being eaten by other people because ...), I lost like 5 pants sizes since May 15, and I've also been helping a friend build a model railroad, something I haven't been able to muster doing myself despite starting on one in the 1990s.
What can I say? Life is good.
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#255555 - 12/04/2006 09:01
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: cushman]
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Registered: 07/01/2002
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Loc: Stockport, UK
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Do you have a BT hands-free kit in your car? There might be a way to use the Empeg as a caller-id display.
Is this feasable at all? Now that the switch-to-aux feature is working well, it would be great if callerID could be shown on screen.
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#255556 - 12/04/2006 13:45
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: jarob10]
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Registered: 25/12/2000
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Hijack provides an easy way to display short messages on the screen, so it all depends on how it would be possible to get that data to the empeg. The only feasible way I can think of is over the serial port.
In what manners would the bluetooth kit be able to provide that data?
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#255557 - 12/04/2006 15:55
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: wfaulk]
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In what manners would the bluetooth kit be able to provide that data?
I think the idea would be to have an application listening on the serial port of the Empeg, which would be connected to one of these AirCable Bluetooth Adapters. A Bluetooth phone would be paired to this adapter, and an application on the phone would send Caller ID info over this link to the Empeg in a format which it can handle and display.
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#255558 - 12/04/2006 16:13
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: sein]
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Registered: 25/12/2000
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Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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The Aircable implements the SPP (Serial Port), DUN (Dial-Up Networking), LAN (Local Area Network) and OBEX Bluetooth profiles. I don't believe that a cell phone will talk to any of those, and I doubt that it would send Caller-ID information on any of them. It normally sends Caller-ID over HFP (Hands Free).
I think you'd have to roll your own Bluetooth doohickey that would listen on HFP for just the Caller-ID info and then spit that out over the serial port. But then you have to ask if the cell phone would support both that and the regular headset/hands-free kit attached at the same time.
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#255559 - 12/04/2006 16:38
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: wfaulk]
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Most mobile phones have the ability to send the caller ID data over their modem interface which appears as a serial port.
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#255560 - 12/04/2006 17:43
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: tman]
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Registered: 25/12/2000
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Hmm. That's a good point. I was thinking of the cell phone initiating a connection to the device, but the device could initiate a connection to the phone. I assume you're talking about the DUN profile, right? Does it present itself as a Hayes modem? If so, that's really easy to interpret.
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#255561 - 12/04/2006 18:21
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: wfaulk]
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Registered: 24/12/2001
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Yeah. All the phones I've tried have understood Hayes commands. I think it appeared as a DUN profile?
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#255562 - 12/04/2006 18:51
Re: AirCable Bluetooth Serial Adapter
[Re: tman]
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Registered: 12/02/2002
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With sony ericcson phones, it's the serial port profile. The DUN profile is seperate, and I assume different. What I don't know is if you can be connected to the SPP while the phone is connected to the car kit. I know with my Samsung A900, you can't connect to the serial port while it's connected to a car kit.
The easier solution is to just buy a parrot CK3100, which come with a nice screen you can use for caller ID and going through your phone book. Not as elegant, but unless you're going to get the empeg to impliment the HFL profile completely, it's probably a better solution.
Matthew
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#255563 - 29/04/2006 09:46
Re: Palantir updates?
[Re: sein]
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Registered: 07/01/2005
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Question about Bluetooth though... can you pair multiple devices together? Could I have a Treo paired with a Bluetooth car kit for voice, and the Empeg for Palantir, and a GPS unit for Tomtom - all at the same time?
Yes.
This is quite an old thread, but I thought I would update it with my experience with this, in case someone reads it later.
I have an Orange UK Treo 650, running the 1.20-ENA firmware. I'm using the Nokia CK-7W bluetooth handsfree kit, and I've also got a Holux GPSlim 236 bluetooth GPS receiver.
With the Treo connected to the handsfree kit (key in the ignition), it will not connect to the GPS receiver. The second you take the key out of the ignition which powers down the handsfree, the GPS works. You can also make the GPS work by turning off Bluetooth and turning it back on again on the Treo.
With the Treo connected to the GPS receiver, it cannot also connect to the handsfree. The light on the car kit button flashes a while and then gives up. Once you turn the GPS off and tap the button on the handsfree to re-establish a connection, it will work again.
I'm not sure whether this one-device-at-a-time behaviour is a PalmOS limitation, or a Bluetooth limitation. I will try things out with my friends Nokia N70 to see whether it acts differently.
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