#255652 - 08/05/2005 11:04
no memory error
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new poster
Registered: 17/04/2005
Posts: 16
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hi guys
any ideas why I now get "no memory error" after synchronising with emplode, all soft ware is the latest and is running on a mkIIA, I have ordered pcats memory upgrade, will that cure it?. any help most appreciated. Also does anyone know someone who will install the illumination kit that I already have. I am in the UK
thanks
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#255653 - 08/05/2005 16:01
Re: no memory error
[Re: MRB]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31565
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Please specify the exact text of the error message, word for word. And please specify exactly where this message is appearing. Is it on the player's screen, or is it on the Windows screen?
Also, you say the software is "the latest", but do you mean the latest alpha version (3.0 alpha) or do you mean the latest stable final version (2.0 final)?
Also, are you synching with USB or with ethernet, and what version of Windows are you using? If you're using USB and Windows XP, make sure to read the FAQ about how USB+XP is tricky and needs you to hand-install an updated USB driver.
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#255654 - 08/05/2005 17:13
Re: no memory error
[Re: tfabris]
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new poster
Registered: 17/04/2005
Posts: 16
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Exact text on the Empeg screen which flickers on and of at random is no_memory error
Software version 2 - beta 13
Hijack ver 246
synching via Ethernet and using Win XP Pro
hope this helps
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#255655 - 08/05/2005 20:30
Re: no memory error
[Re: MRB]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14478
Loc: Canada
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You really ought to be more forthcoming with information.
Even just telling us that the "no_memory error" text was surrounded by a box outline would have told volumes here.
If you want help, you've gotta provide info!!
Now, in this case, the "no_memory" message is courtesy of Hijack, telling us that the software on your machine has run out of memory. This means it probably boots up fine and gets to the point where it is playing music, or about to play music. Then it dies. Most likely due to a corrupt MP3 file or corrupt playlist.
But without you volunteering more info.. fix it yourself.
Cheers
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#255656 - 08/05/2005 20:57
Re: no memory error
[Re: mlord]
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new poster
Registered: 17/04/2005
Posts: 16
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So there was I a mere rookie of 7 posts looking for some guidance from your goodselves and and yes I did miss out the box surrounding the error, but do I know any better, certainly not, your tone seems a bit strong and I only hope from a guy with 6k plus of postings that you just having a bad day. Constructive criticism goes a long way, rather than a kick in the nads - give us a break
thanks anyway
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#255657 - 08/05/2005 22:54
Re: no memory error
[Re: MRB]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 08/02/2002
Posts: 3411
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Can I ask why you think that you have the latest software? Or is that an assumption?
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#255658 - 08/05/2005 22:58
Re: no memory error
[Re: mlord]
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old hand
Registered: 23/07/2003
Posts: 869
Loc: Colorado
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Wow. Not that it's really any of my business, and I'm sure I'm gonna get flamed for this, but I think that was pretty much uncalled for. Yes, MRB didn't give all the info necc. to properly diagnose his problem, but for goodness sake, he's only 8 posts in.
Give the poor guy a break and let's just help him fix his problem.
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#255659 - 09/05/2005 00:08
Re: no memory error
[Re: webroach]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14478
Loc: Canada
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If either of you take the time to actually *read* my reply, you'll notice I provided as much diagnosis as was possible with the information given, and asked for more info. That's PDG help for practically no cooperation from the beggar at hand.
Cheers
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#255660 - 09/05/2005 00:21
Re: no memory error
[Re: genixia]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14478
Loc: Canada
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Quote:
Can I ask why you think that you have the latest software? Or is that an assumption?
Exactly. Both the s/w version (v2beta13) and the Hijack version (v246) are years out of date.
Cheers
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#255661 - 09/05/2005 04:03
Re: no memory error
[Re: mlord]
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enthusiast
Registered: 29/03/2005
Posts: 364
Loc: Probably lost somewhere in Wal...
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maybe the v246 was a typo, and he meant v426? 
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#255662 - 09/05/2005 06:58
Re: no memory error
[Re: Schido]
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new poster
Registered: 17/04/2005
Posts: 16
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Hi Guys, Thank you for all your comments, things seem to of got off on the wrong foot, and I apologise for that.
To reiterate my fault this time without the panic factor.
Exact text on the Empeg screen which flickers on and of at random is no_memory error surrounded in a box
Software version 2 - beta 13
Hijack ver 426 (yes it was a typo)
synching via Ethernet and using Win XP Pro
I did take on board Marks comments and am currently re-synching my music database again from fresh. I don't know if this was the right thing to do as 21000 tracks are going to take some time, but hey it's under way as we speak.
Hopefully this will fix a bad playlist or corrupt mp3.
Once again thankyou for you help.
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#255663 - 09/05/2005 07:01
Re: no memory error
[Re: genixia]
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new poster
Registered: 17/04/2005
Posts: 16
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You are quite correct in me assuming I have the latest software, I have followed the links on this site to obtain what I thought was the latest, should I be looking elsewhere I look to yourselves for guidance on where that could be found - thanks
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#255664 - 09/05/2005 10:38
Re: no memory error
[Re: MRB]
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addict
Registered: 01/03/2002
Posts: 598
Loc: Florida
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Yeah a non-beta of 2.0 was released.
Click on "Latest Software" link on the top of this page
Click on "empeg car consumer software"
Also if your feeling daring you can run an alpha version of 3.0. Read in the "Announcements"area on this BBS to find were to download it. I would recommend only using Alpha8 as 7 and 9 are broken.
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#255665 - 09/05/2005 11:23
Re: no memory error
[Re: MRB]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14478
Loc: Canada
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The 21000 tracks is probably the real culprit. No need to re-upload the works, as it will likely make zero difference.
There's another thread around here somewhere that discusses issues related to that. Hopefully Tony or someone will pitch in with a link to it.
Definitely upgrade to v2.00 final or v2.01 final software before doing much else.
-ml
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#255666 - 09/05/2005 18:33
Re: no memory error
[Re: webroach]
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addict
Registered: 18/08/2002
Posts: 544
Loc: New Jersey
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pity these boards have to become so personal...if we all wanted this much abuse we would all be married....
im with u MRB...mlord is being a pompus idiot
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#255667 - 09/05/2005 18:58
Re: no memory error
[Re: mlord]
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addict
Registered: 01/03/2002
Posts: 598
Loc: Florida
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Quote:
The 21000 tracks is probably the real culprit. No need to re-upload the works, as it will likely make zero difference.
There's another thread around here somewhere that discusses issues related to that. Hopefully Tony or someone will pitch in with a link to it.
Definitely upgrade to v2.00 final or v2.01 final software before doing much else.
-ml
Here is the thread with the patch
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#255668 - 09/05/2005 20:48
Re: no memory error
[Re: Attack]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
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IIRC, this Mark's patch only makes room on scratch partition for the current running order and data such as number of times a particular tune has been played. I am affraid that the only way that database resulting from this large a collection will fit in memory is, well, more memory. 
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#255669 - 09/05/2005 21:10
Re: no memory error
[Re: bonzi]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14478
Loc: Canada
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Oh, that's what that was all about. Forgot that!
I wonder if the person has a Mk2 rather than a Mk2a player?
Or perhaps some 3rd party apps loaded?
Or perhaps an unnecessary "ReserveCache=" line in the config.ini file?
Otherwise, I believe others here have 21000 tracks working on Mk2a machines.
-ml
(duh.. of course I'll likely get flamed again for trying to help here)
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#255670 - 09/05/2005 22:05
Re: no memory error
[Re: bonzi]
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new poster
Registered: 17/04/2005
Posts: 16
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This leads me back to my initial post, I guess I will have to wait for pcats memory upgrade - roll on order 30
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#255671 - 09/05/2005 22:16
Re: no memory error
[Re: MRB]
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addict
Registered: 29/06/2002
Posts: 531
Loc: Triangle, VA
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I wonder if all the songs/software were wiped out (I know this would suck to do) and install the 2.0 final and newest hijack and install only say 1 playlist worth of songs and play them see if you get the problem.
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Modifying and Tweaking is a journey,
not a destination................................
MKIIa : 60gig - 040103286 - Blue - v2 + PCATS tuner
MKIIa : 20gig - 040103260 - Blue - v3a8 + Mark Lord Special Edition Cherry Dock
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#255672 - 10/05/2005 04:42
Re: no memory error
[Re: edsmiata]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5914
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
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with all respect, Mark has earned the right to be a pompus idiot, just occasionally...
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#255673 - 10/05/2005 10:36
Re: no memory error
[Re: MRB]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14478
Loc: Canada
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Quote:
This leads me back to my initial post, I guess I will have to wait for pcats memory upgrade - roll on order 30
There are others on this BBS with around 21000 or more tracks on their Mk2a players; I wonder what is different between their setups and yours.
Brad -- you tuning into this?
-ml
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#255674 - 10/05/2005 11:25
Re: no memory error
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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Greetings!
Sorry. I have not been online as much lately. With the 21000 tracks, the interesting question is not the number of tracks - it is the number of playlists. I have never had trouble loading huge numbers of MP3 files, but I can and will crash the sync every time when trying to upload a large quantity of playlists at the same time. I suspect that the playlists are handled differently from regular files, and that there is a fixed memory limitation (variable initialization?, structure size?) that is getting overflowed with too many playlists.
When it locks up with emplode, is it during the playlist phase of the upload, or during individual MP3 files?
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#255675 - 10/05/2005 12:42
Re: no memory error
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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You were helpful, except for this shot:
Quote:
But without you volunteering more info.. fix it yourself.
If you'd just said "I can't help" instead of "fix it yourself", all would be good.
And it's not like he didn't provide the information you needed at this point. He has no way to know that the fact that it's in a "box outline" is relevant. Do you describe the decoration of a dialog box when reporting errors in a GUI? Sure, you and I and a few other can detect when it's Hijack onscreen instead of the player application, but most can't. In fact, you were able to deduce without error the fact that it was in a "box outline", which would imply that that information is redundant anyway.
In addition, you gave a reasonable explanation for what might be happening and implied how to solve it. So what was the information you were unable to provide because he didn't provide enough information?
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#255676 - 10/05/2005 13:18
Re: no memory error
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14478
Loc: Canada
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While I don't normally respond to personal attacks upon myself, this thread is getting ridiculous. Since Bitt is a friend of mine, I'll reply *once* only:
Quote:
So what was the information you were unable to provide because he didn't provide enough information?
If I knew what the vital missing info was, there'd be no need to ask for more info. Duh! In this case, a later post by the same person mentioned 21000 tracks, which turns out to be rather important here -- totally invalidating the inital theory I posted. Knowing that at the outset would have helped. But other people also have 21000 tracks, and don't have this problem. So there's still more info somewhere that might help figure out what is different in this scenario.
My days helping others here are now done with.
Cheers
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#255677 - 10/05/2005 13:55
Re: no memory error
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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The thing is, Mark, you were being helpful, but then you had to take that cheap shot at the end.
I think folks here overreacted slightly. You probably didn't mean it in the way it came across. But that doesn't mean that I don't understand their reaction.
I know that as a software developer, you expect better bug reports, and usually get them, and when you don't, it's because the reporter is either lazy or incompetent. But you're dealing with end users here. They're completely different animals. They don't know what's important and what's not important. I'll admit that his first post was skimpy, but we asked for more information, and he provided it -- every piece he was asked for. If you think that the number of total tracks is relevant (and it is), then you need to ask for it. Maybe we should have a boilerplate for making help requests. It would be nice if people could know what's important and what's not, but there's just no way that he could have known to provide that information without being asked for it.
And, Mark, I'm not attacking you, personally or otherwise. I'm just pointing out that you definitely came off as abrasive. You either need to expect people to be defensive about that or make sure you don't come off as abrasive. If your last sentence is any indication, you've taken the latter course, to an extreme. That's certainly within your rights. You've given us a lot of stuff with no expectation of payback, and we appreciate it. And we'd continue to appreciate it. But that doesn't mean that people aren't allowed to be upset when dismissed abruptly. (Again, I'm inclined to think that that came off differently than what you intended simply based on the fact that you were helping.)
As for everyone else, and I should have said this before, if you have a problem with Mark, you should talk to him about it, or if you have to make rude remarks about him (in the guise of being supportive of someone else), at least do it behind his back. Calling him a jerk to someone else while pretending he isn't "standing" right there is just rude, and there's no call for it. Again, if you think he was being rude, tell him. Otherwise, keep your public mouths shut.
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#255678 - 10/05/2005 17:53
Re: no memory error
[Re: wfaulk]
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addict
Registered: 29/06/2002
Posts: 531
Loc: Triangle, VA
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Maybe Tony could revise this thread to indicate more info thats needed when asking for help so there is no question? Just a thought.
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Modifying and Tweaking is a journey,
not a destination................................
MKIIa : 60gig - 040103286 - Blue - v2 + PCATS tuner
MKIIa : 20gig - 040103260 - Blue - v3a8 + Mark Lord Special Edition Cherry Dock
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#255679 - 10/05/2005 18:33
Re: no memory error
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
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There are so few new owners these days that I think we're forgetting how to help them! If empeg ownership becomes an elitest clique where folks are derided for not phrasing their plea for help quite right, then I guarantee there will be no community at all before long. We should welcome new owners with open arms - that's one more player pumping out tunes instead of rusting in a garage. I hope our long standing and often esteemed empeg friends remember back to a time not so many years ago when I and others laboured through thousands of posts of repetitive questions to help get this community off the ground. Believe me, some of today's highly respected owners were a support nightmare at times  This post isn't aimed at Mark (I'm not sure I was ever called upon to help him with any problem - it was more the other way around!) but I think this thread is touching on an emerging theme within our group. Rob
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#255680 - 10/05/2005 19:15
Re: no memory error
[Re: rob]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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...an emerging theme within our group...
I wish I could say "I don't know what you mean" or pretend that it is not true. But I also feel that there has been a shift, slow but gathering speed. It is not just support or user questions, either. For me, the entire feeling of the board is different somehow. I find myself more guarded, posting less and less, avoiding or skipping more and more threads.
Part of that is my own. I know I am less patient than I should be. With other distractions, I find it harder to spend the time listening or helping out.
Part of it is the board. Rob, I believe you are correct on that theme building, but that it is far wider than just a few threads or questions.
Wherever this leads, even if it is to the dissolution of the board / community, it was and still is to a large degree the best internet community I have ever seen and had the pleasure (well, most of the time... ) to be associated with.
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#255681 - 11/05/2005 06:54
Re: no memory error
[Re: rob]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4172
Loc: Cambridge, England
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Quote:
Believe me, some of today's highly respected owners were a support nightmare at times
Incidentally Mike turned to me yesterday and said, "You read the BBS a lot, what do <these symptoms> mean is wrong with my screen?" 
Peter
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#255682 - 11/05/2005 07:38
Re: no memory error
[Re: pgrzelak]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31565
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Quote:
With the 21000 tracks, the interesting question is not the number of tracks - it is the number of playlists. I have never had trouble loading huge numbers of MP3 files, but I can and will crash the sync every time when trying to upload a large quantity of playlists at the same time.
This is good and important info, thanks.
Someone remind me, when I get back home on the 17th (I'm currently off on a jaunt), to create a FAQ entry specifically about dealing with large numbers of tracks and all of the things that can go wrong related to it. And also to link that FAQ entry from the drive upgrade guide.
Oh, and Mark:
We love you. We really do. Please don't get mad.
And everyone else:
Go easy on Mark. We've all had our moments. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
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#255683 - 11/05/2005 13:55
Re: no memory error
[Re: MRB]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
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I don't think anyone's mentioned it. The likely culprit is a lot of information in the ID3 tags. I beleive all of each ID3 tag is stored in the database, thus making not only the number of tracks important but the extraneous information included.
Matthew
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#255684 - 11/05/2005 15:29
Re: no memory error
[Re: pgrzelak]
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addict
Registered: 18/08/2002
Posts: 544
Loc: New Jersey
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Paul,
FWIW...i have felt that this player, and the board, is catering to those who like to tinker with programming and tweaking the player in order to make it 'more powerful' and/or 'efficeint'.
I wonder then if the Empeg was 'closed source' would there in fact be any problems to troubleshoot.
Hence...the fact that the player was originally designed to provide the user with a quatity of songs that up to that point in time was not available is no longer its main focus
playing around with the code is now main topics of discussion in these boards....the primary use of the unit is secondary, at best
I dont pretend to know a fraction of what you guys are talking about when it comes to memory, kernels, digital whatever....all i know is that i can bring 10K songs along with me, all neatly arranged in playlists for ease of selection...and boast that i own a product that was, and is, unique and most probably will never make it to prodution again...
perhaps these boards are bored with the topic as there is pretty much nothing left to talk about!
Ed
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#255685 - 12/05/2005 10:41
Re: no memory error
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
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Quote:
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
..haven't seen him online for a while..
Rob
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#255686 - 13/05/2005 15:41
Re: no memory error
[Re: rob]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31565
Loc: Seattle, WA
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ROFL  PS: Regarding your user-icon-avatar thingy. I finally got to see some "Invader Zim" while staying with friends in Seattle. Saw the episode where that animation came from. Hilarious show. Favorite quote from the show so far: "HAVE YOU THE BRAIN WORMS?!?!?!"
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#255687 - 15/05/2005 17:33
Re: no memory error
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
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You expect me to pay to be on this filthy machine?Quote:
"HAVE YOU THE BRAIN WORMS?!?!?!
Prepare yourself, hideous creature of meat and hair. Your incredible love adventure begins NOW!
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#255688 - 15/05/2005 17:42
Re: no memory error
[Re: tfabris]
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old hand
Registered: 23/07/2003
Posts: 869
Loc: Colorado
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My favorite exchange ever in the show is when Zim is trying to test Gir's new guidance system, and they end up getting hopelessly lost in the city. When Zim tells Gir to use the guidance chip to get them home...
GIR: Oh, I left it at home.
ZIM: You left what at home?
GIR: The guidy... Chippy... Thingy.
ZIM: Why would you do that?!
GIR: To make room for the cupcake!
...after which a cupcake pops out of Girs head.
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#255689 - 18/05/2005 21:02
Re: no memory error
[Re: pgrzelak]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/06/1999
Posts: 2993
Loc: Wareham, Dorset, UK
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This "shift" started around the end of last year, and I had been feeling more and more worried that things/attitudes were changing. This was one of the reasons I started the "Rob'll Fix It" sponsorship thread in December/January. The responses I got confirmed my feeling that there had been a subtle change here that I had somehow missed. The soul had gone. It feels even worse now. Flames and massive political/religious discussions have taken over from music and fun. Sorry, not what I am really interested in 
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#255690 - 18/05/2005 21:03
Re: no memory error
[Re: rob]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/06/1999
Posts: 2993
Loc: Wareham, Dorset, UK
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Where is the Lord God when we need him?
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#255691 - 19/05/2005 02:17
Re: no memory error
[Re: schofiel]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 30/10/2000
Posts: 4931
Loc: New Jersey, USA
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The state of this community is really a just shadow of what it used to be. There's no more excitement for the empeg player. Most people that have an empeg couldn't do without it. Even so, lots of people are beginning to sell their spares. That's a testament to the quality of aftermarket support, but indicates people are losing interest (from my point of view). I, for one, still check this board constantly throughout the day. For the past few weeks I’ve noticed hours go by during the day without a single post in any forum. This used to be unimaginable. Without new software being hyped, why would most users come here? The empeg crew isn’t even posting about new hardware here. I’m not saying it’s their duty to, but that would be exciting. It would be like people being attracted to this board to hear the latest news about Pearl, the Visteon unit, or version 1.1. How many times can you talk about fun things like what your favorite beer is? God forbid you even think about driving after drinking said beer. You will be flamed. Did I just say God? I must be some churchy kook and must be flamed. Did I just call churchy people kooks? Now I really must be flamed! I admit that I usually am a pretty negative person, but I think Rio really dropped the ball on a lot of things. All the possibilities that could have come from the empeg code base have gone nowhere. Yeah, we got ogg support but very little else since the firesale. The Karma is at the end of its life and its successor is nowhere in sight. Who the hell is Cowon and where do they come-off bringing something like this to market while Rio is competing against every factory in China that can put a memory chip, LCD screen and headphone jack into a plastic housing? Why is a screen-less iPod Shuffle even considered over a Rio Forge? This community is falling apart fast. Key figures don’t post for months at a time. Fewer meets are happening. Fewer and fewer people attend meets that do happen. People are growing up and getting more responsibilities like jobs, marriages, kids, and houses. Cars are becoming increasingly difficult to put an empeg in. How many people are going to the European meet? It’s 7 weeks away and I don’t know anything about it other than the dates and my flight number. I’m not saying Rob S should be hyping it every day, but nobody is talking about it. This board may exist for many years to come and I will see it to the end. But, it is becoming a much different place.
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80GB 16MB MK2 090000736
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#255692 - 19/05/2005 16:42
Re: no memory error
[Re: matthew_k]
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new poster
Registered: 17/04/2005
Posts: 16
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HI Guys, unfortunately been in Rome on business since my last post but here's an update on what I have done to rectify things. Please bear in mind I may not have needed to do this but needs must.
1 - Stripped the player to check the 2 80gig drives I installed where ok etc
2 - Rebuilt the drives with the hard disk builder
3 - Defragged and scanned my music library for errors (4 - bad segments were found and rectified)
4 - Checked every single one of the 22121 tracks with Ashampoo on my music hard drive (few errors found)
5 - Rechecked them with a small utility called wimpck-english-0.03 (for piece of mind)
6 - Installed Emplode ver 2.00 only
7 - Synched the above 22121 tracks
8 - Guss what! - no errors whatsoever (yes I do realise that it was a Hijack generated error)
With great respect to Mark, should I install the latest Hijack now or wait until I get my ordered memory from Pcats, what do you think?
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#255693 - 19/05/2005 17:29
Re: no memory error
[Re: schofiel]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
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This "shift" started around the end of last year, and I had been feeling more and more worried that things/attitudes were changing. This was one of the reasons I started the "Rob'll Fix It" sponsorship thread in December/January. The responses I got confirmed my feeling that there had been a subtle change here that I had somehow missed. The soul had gone.
I have to admit I was also a bit surprised at how few people expressed interest in sponsoring 3 beta (actually, obtaining it; I thing that virtuall all who were interested were also willing to participate in sponsoring it). True, three years ago it would be unthinkable not to be interested in a new piece of good empeg software. But, empeg was then an exciting new toy; now it is simply a part of our lives, like good old comfortable slippers. The atmosphere of the board is different: before we were like partying youngsters; now we prefer to have a beer and chat about our children. The soul has not gone; perhaps the youth has.
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It feels even worse now. Flames and massive political/religious discussions have taken over from music and fun. Sorry, not what I am really interested in
I am certainly responsible for many of those political/religious discussions (if only for a very occasional flame). Understand me: there is no place that I know of with so many intelligent people with different geographical, political, professional and what not background. Those are important or at least very interesting topics for me, and I genuinely wish to hear coherent opinions different from mine. However, after several "everybody is against us" reactions I am much more careful now and sometimes resort to private communication with some board members. Again, pitty: that way you mostly hear from those who agree with you, anyway...
I believe I will finally make it to The Meet this year. I promise I will not be a bore, but if you judge I am spoiling the atmosphere, fell free to kick me and make me busy with another beer
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Dragi "Bonzi" Raos
Q#5196
MkII #080000376, 18GB green
MkIIa #040103247, 60GB blue
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#255694 - 19/05/2005 17:46
Re: no memory error
[Re: robricc]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
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God forbid you even think about driving after drinking said beer. You will be flamed. Did I just say God? I must be some churchy kook and must be flamed. Did I just call churchy people kooks? Now I really must be flamed!
Come on, it is not that bad. Though, we sometimes are too sensitive to 'flames' - are loud arguments not common among friends? One is cooly polite towards strangers, no?
Perhaps I am not as fired up about new developments as I used to, but it was very extiting to see that Patrick's memory board and Marks "raw partition hack" together with new high capacity disks will finally let me have all of my collection on my empeg, as guys@empeg intended.
I will never sell my spare (I am more likely to buy more); perhaps I might give or lend it to some friend of mine. And I am probably finally coming to The Meet.
Otherwise, I mostly agree.
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Dragi "Bonzi" Raos
Q#5196
MkII #080000376, 18GB green
MkIIa #040103247, 60GB blue
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#255695 - 19/05/2005 18:13
Re: no memory error
[Re: MRB]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14478
Loc: Canada
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With great respect to Mark, should I install the latest Hijack now or wait until I get my ordered memory from Pcats, what do you think?
I may be more than a little biased, but.. definitely install the latest Hijack. It has zillions of useful features built-in, at least a few of which you'll rapidly find to be indispensible. As for *which* features, that's different for each of us.
My favorite is still the "PopUp0" menu on the short knob press -- allows easy access to functionality that normally requires the remote control (or navigating a complex series of menus).
Cheers
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#255696 - 19/05/2005 18:29
Re: no memory error
[Re: mlord]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
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My favorite is still the "PopUp0" menu on the short knob press -- allows easy access to functionality that normally requires the remote control (or navigating a complex series of menus).
Mine too. Next is suppression of regular fscks.
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Q#5196
MkII #080000376, 18GB green
MkIIa #040103247, 60GB blue
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#255697 - 19/05/2005 18:49
Re: no memory error
[Re: bonzi]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
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I got the no memory error for the first time today, eventually traced it to ttsclock seeming to grab too much memory and not let go, so sadly as I keep adding music, ttsclock has to go...for now
I have got extra RAM physically in my empeg, but that darned wire from pin124 on the StrongARM to pin 14 was just too awkward. Wonder if I can bribe some steady handed solderer to complete the job for me at Amersfoort!
Worth a bottle of Highland Park whisky?
(I guess emphatic is taking up some memory, but I love it - that and hijack are the two essentials on my empegs)
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MkIIa, blue lit buttons, memory upgrade, 1Tb in Subaru Forester STi
MkII, 240Gb in Mark Lord dock
MkII, 80Gb SSD in dock
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#255698 - 19/05/2005 20:05
Re: no memory error
[Re: bonzi]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 05/01/2001
Posts: 4903
Loc: Detroit, MI USA
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I have to admit I was also a bit surprised at how few people expressed interest in sponsoring 3 beta
IIRC, a lot of people were interested but:
a) Rob seemed distressed that people (including myself) didn't understand how much money he was actually asking for. I seem to remember a lot of people, in just a few short days, saying they'd love to contribute.
b) Hugo piped in and hinted that it may not be realistic or that some of these things may have already been worked on.
At that point, a lot of us assumed there were some discussions going on between Hugo and Rob, that perhaps could have taken place prior to the creation of the thread. So, in addition to understanding that some of us wanted to see what was going to pan out between Hugo and Rob, I wouldn't consider a lack of disposable income (once we were told our offers of 50 bucks here and there) the same thing as lack of interest.
What got me down were all of the "conditions" put on some people's money demanding such and such features. But I guess that's understandable too. Maybe we're spoiled getting all those Hijack, Jemplode, emphatic, Logoedit, empegface, Palitir, etc, updates for free.
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#255699 - 19/05/2005 20:20
Re: no memory error
[Re: SE_Sport_Driver]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
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Rob seemed distressed that people (including myself) didn't understand how much money he was actually asking for. I seem to remember a lot of people, in just a few short days, saying they'd love to contribute.
Well, perhaps we did not realize at first the effort was estimated at about 6 man-months or so, or did not do out arithmetic afterwards...
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What got me down were all of the "conditions" put on some people's money demanding such and such features. But I guess that's understandable too. Maybe we're spoiled getting all those Hijack, Jemplode, emphatic, Logoedit, empegface, Palitir, etc, updates for free.
Yes, and many people said "well, 2.0 final is good enough". But I think that Rob is right that three years ago he would have no trouble collecting enough "sponsorships" to work on this full time.
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Q#5196
MkII #080000376, 18GB green
MkIIa #040103247, 60GB blue
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#255700 - 20/05/2005 00:46
Re: no memory error
[Re: robricc]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 5539
Loc: Ajijic, Mexico
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The state of this community is really a just shadow of what it used to be.
True, but this is a normal and completely predictable state of affairs as core members of the bbs "age out" of the system one by one.
There are no new empegs to replenish the membership, and bit by bit people move on to different interests in their lives and leave the community.
Besides that, really, how much discussion of our beloved empegs can we do after five or six years of incessant chatter? We've pretty much said all the obvious stuff, and the remaining stuff is so esoteric as to not be of that much interest to the non-technical user.
I have long ago lost interest in the empeg-related discussions, not because they are uninformative or uninteresting, but because my player with v2.0 final software is rock solid and stable, and it does everything I am even remotely interested in having it do! I use my player to play music, and the occasional audiobook. That's it. I don't need nor want more memory or more hard drive space or a GPS application or a way to display the lyrics or games or who knows what else. I have no quarrel with those who do, indeed, I have a lot of respect for people with the knowledge and determination to make such things work. But reading about such things holds little interest for me, and I suspect that my viewpoint may be that of the majority of current and former bbs members.
My interest in the bbs is now almost entirely the Off Topic forum. I love the disccusions of religion, and politics, and whatever else comes up there, and despite what some people are saying, I cannot recall ever seeing anything that could truly be called flaming. The people on this bbs are certainly the most intelligent, knowledgable, and articulate people with whom it has ever been my privilege to associate, and as long as people like bonzi, pca, altman, schofiel, tfabris, wfaulk, jeffs, mlord, mlwest, peter, rob, robricc, se_sport_driver, kayakjazz, julf, and a host of others (I know I've left out a lot of people, and I apologize for the omission) contribute to this board, I can guarantee that I will be here too, and hopefully even make a few contributions of my own.
In the long run, though, everything must come to an end. When this community finally goes away, I will mourn its passing. But... life goes on.
tanstaafl.
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#255701 - 20/05/2005 06:58
Re: no memory error
[Re: bonzi]
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veteran
Registered: 01/10/2001
Posts: 1307
Loc: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
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[I believe I will finally make it to The Meet this year.
Great! I will again do what I did last year - fly in from the US in time for the meet (yes, live in Amsterdam, but have to spend July 4 in New Jersey - nonnegotiable).
Unfortunately this might be the first year I *won't* bring Yet Another New Vehicle. Due to this winter having been extremely busy, I still haven't gotten the 101 EW truck on Dutch plates...
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#255702 - 20/05/2005 12:00
Re: no memory error
[Re: julf]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 09/08/2000
Posts: 2091
Loc: Edinburgh, Scotland
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Well, I hope lots of folks turn up - this will be my first year at Amersfoort
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Rory
MkIIa, blue lit buttons, memory upgrade, 1Tb in Subaru Forester STi
MkII, 240Gb in Mark Lord dock
MkII, 80Gb SSD in dock
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#255703 - 20/05/2005 13:17
Re: no memory error
[Re: frog51]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5914
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
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We were leaving making our decision on whether to come or not for when the sign-up page went up. We didn't expect that to be left so close to the date of the meet...
(not meant as a dig against RobS or anyone else involved in organising the event)
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#255704 - 20/05/2005 14:50
Re: no memory error
[Re: robricc]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 02/06/2000
Posts: 1996
Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden
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How many people are going to the European meet?
Me definately. Been changing ADSL-supplier (0.5-> ~14 Mb/s), been battling my laptop hardware wise (fan and drive) and software (need XP etc for work [which I hope to be back to in not too long...] Anyone seen XP boot up and act as if there were no accounts (local) at all (no user icons on the [presumedly] login page, nothing happens on Ctrl-Alt-Del ? Started on reboot after the latest patches. Safe, last known good config all do the same...
Since two weeks also spending half the days doing work related rehab and evaluation.
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#255705 - 21/05/2005 08:12
Re: no memory error
[Re: mtempsch]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
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Since two weeks also spending half the days doing work related rehab and evaluation.
Ugh, half a year has passed since the last post in "Status of mtempsch" thread, and I thought you were as good as new for months! How are things going healthwise?
Cheers!
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Dragi "Bonzi" Raos
Q#5196
MkII #080000376, 18GB green
MkIIa #040103247, 60GB blue
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#255706 - 21/05/2005 14:09
Re: no memory error
[Re: bonzi]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 02/06/2000
Posts: 1996
Loc: Gothenburg, Sweden
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Since two weeks also spending half the days doing work related rehab and evaluation.
Ugh, half a year has passed since the last post in "Status of mtempsch" thread, and I thought you were as good as new for months! How are things going healthwise?
Cheers!
Pretty good!
Checked out of [live in] rehab Jan 28, been home, doing a bit of physiotherapy to build on the strength of the left side for an hour twice a week as well as a bit each day at home with elastic bands. Once the outdoor temperature elevated above b---y cold and the rain stopped I started riding the bike back and forth to the physiotherapy (bit less than 4 km away) Makes you feel a lot more "normal"... Still not allowed to drive . did a checkup of the vision Feb 28 and till had dropout of the lower left quadrant of the left eye (from initially being both upper and lower left quafrants on both eyes). Doesn't bother me in the daily activities at all, but still means they wont let me drive yet. Still hopeful as it feels like it's improved since the checkup. As of 2 weeks I'm back in rehab but geared towards checking atatus before a [hopefully] retun to work. Trying to determine capacity, any possible residual problem areas etc etc.
But generally quite OK. No running yet, but walking freely with just a minor occasional limp.
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#255707 - 24/05/2005 19:34
Re: no memory error
[Re: andy]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/06/1999
Posts: 2993
Loc: Wareham, Dorset, UK
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The event is on - don't you worry.
The date is fixed - it's in the calender (has been since last year). It's fixed because people need to book tickets a long way ahead to get low prices. Some are travelling half way around the world to get to it.
The only thing missing is the booking website: the costs are similar to last year, the organisation is the same.
Best of all - you lot are going to be there to have some fun together: something it seems we are all forgetting to do.
Be there (need I say it?) - or....
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