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#258167 - 14/06/2005 15:25 Re: Fuel for Media Cynics [Re: julf]
JeffS
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2858
Loc: Atlanta, GA
This article explains a lot about the beliefs of CoS. In fair warning, since it is from the Christian Research Institue the perspective is more of a comparison to orthodox Christian doctrine, but there is plenty in there about what is publicly available regarding the phiolosphies and teachings of CoS.
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#258168 - 14/06/2005 19:18 Re: Fuel for Media Cynics [Re: JeffS]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
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Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Seems a pretty solid overview, even if it does look at it in comparison to Christianity rather than on its own. But that's the author's prerogative, and doesn't make it any less accurate.
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#258169 - 15/06/2005 01:13 Re: Fuel for Media Cynics [Re: DWallach]
canuckInOR
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Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
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Previously, you'd have to be "in the know" to be aware of Mr. Cruz's (or Mr. Travolta's) religious beliefs, but now it's openly discussed in an AP story, on Oprah, and elsewhere.

How previously was previously? I thought it had been common knowledge for several years, now...

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#258170 - 15/06/2005 01:15 Re: Fuel for Media Cynics [Re: JeffS]
canuckInOR
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Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
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This article explains a lot about the beliefs of CoS.

As far as I can tell, the defacto anti-CoS site is http://clambake.org/.

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#258171 - 15/06/2005 01:27 Re: Fuel for Media Cynics [Re: Phoenix42]
canuckInOR
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Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
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Nothing new, just a computer grabbing the ads.

Yeah, the ad-grabbing algorithm has needed some work for quite a while, now.

My favourite CNN ad/story combo:



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#258172 - 15/06/2005 10:37 Re: Fuel for Media Cynics [Re: canuckInOR]
DWallach
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Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3810
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How previously was previously? I thought it had been common knowledge for several years, now...

I'd say the difference is that Joe Sixpack who had never even heard of Scientology didn't know anything about what stars might have been members of the cult. That awful Travolta Battlefield Earth thing raised awareness in the geek community but still never really reached Joe Sixpack. Now, however, with the Scientology thing being discussed on Oprah, in AP stories, and so forth, the game changes. For this very reason, there's been a lot of press discussion about whether Cruz was hurting himself with respect to drawing negative publicity to his films.

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#258173 - 20/06/2005 01:49 Re: Fuel for Media Cynics [Re: julf]
hybrid8
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Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
Damn, never knew you were that Julf. I was following along with the various Co$ dabacles on the net 10 years ago. And now here we are again. Funny thing is that I had just been talking about this very subject (and Co$ legal actions) with my girlfriend a few nights ago.

My stance: It's a for-profit corporation and should be treated as such. That means no special tax status or other breaks.

I think I'd resort to murder after getting bilked by Co$ before I'd attempt suicide. But that's just me. For now I'll make my silent protests by continuing to download, as opposed to donating to the box-office, movies from Co$ supporters/members. Woohoo, that means I'm good to go for Batman.

Bruno
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#258174 - 20/06/2005 01:54 Re: Fuel for Media Cynics [Re: DWallach]
hybrid8
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Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
Unless someone has been living under a rock (for a very long time), they've known Travolta, his wife kelly Preston and Tom Cruise were/are $cientologists. I'm thinking most people (who know anything at all about these actors) would have known for 10 years at the very least. Joe Sixpack more than anyone would know. Certainly before the typical cybergeek, as Mrs. Sixpack reads The Sun, The Globe, People, Us and all the other rags that have likely mentioned this in the past. What they may not have known (what I didn't know until recently) was that Nicole Kidman never joined the the Co$ while with Cruise.

Come on, there were even protests in Germany and Greece surrounding Cruise movie premieres back in the day because of Co$. Does Germany still not recognise Co$ as a religion? If so, good for them!

I'm not hearing as much about Co$ right now as I remember hearing during the early 90's.

Bruno


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#258175 - 20/06/2005 05:54 Re: Fuel for Media Cynics [Re: hybrid8]
julf
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Registered: 01/10/2001
Posts: 1307
Loc: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
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Damn, never knew you were that Julf.

Fortunately there are not too many of us

But my friend Karin Spaink has been in court with them since 1996, and it's still going on... She has the Fishman Affidavit on her web page.

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#258176 - 20/06/2005 13:09 Re: Fuel for Media Cynics [Re: julf]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
Wow.. reading through those documents brought to mind another litiguous entity with darned similar tactics.. the BSA.

Blah.


Edited by mlord (20/06/2005 18:34)

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#258177 - 20/06/2005 14:31 Re: Fuel for Media Cynics [Re: mlord]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Heh. I saw "BSA" and assumed "Boy Scouts of America".

BTW, your link is screwed up.
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#258178 - 24/06/2005 15:10 Re: Fuel for Media Cynics [Re: mlord]
JeffS
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 2858
Loc: Atlanta, GA
Just ran across this article which claims that, at them moment anyway, the Cruise Holmes thing is working in favor of CoS.

I don't know why, but the statement in the article of " . . . this incident started with a galactic shake-up 75 million years ago, when an alien ruler sent billions of subjects to this planet to solve an overpopulation problem. These "thetan" souls dispersed and invaded humans." makes me think of Douglas Adams. I wonder if among these aliens were telephone sanitizers?

Edited to add the Golgafrincham link


Edited by JeffS (24/06/2005 16:00)
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#258179 - 24/06/2005 15:31 Re: Fuel for Media Cynics [Re: JeffS]
DWallach
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Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3810
Amusingly, a Google News search on cruise scientology turns up some 1400 articles. Still, no matter how much positive press there is, Cruise is doing a great job of making a fool out of himself.

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#258180 - 24/06/2005 16:14 Re: Fuel for Media Cynics [Re: DWallach]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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It's like you could be a Christian and be a Scientologist.

Well, until you hit OTIII, where you find out that God, Satan, and Jesus were false memories implanted in your body thetans that 75 million years ago. That pretty much counts out being Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. So that counts out about 3.5 billion people.
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#258181 - 24/06/2005 16:29 Re: Fuel for Media Cynics [Re: wfaulk]
RobotCaleb
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Registered: 15/01/2002
Posts: 1866
Loc: Austin
Maybe he is going crazy.


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#258182 - 24/06/2005 16:47 Re: Fuel for Media Cynics [Re: RobotCaleb]
DWallach
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Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3810
Oh, that's brilliant.

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#258183 - 24/06/2005 20:23 Re: Fuel for Media Cynics [Re: DWallach]
DWallach
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Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3810
Entertaining reading: a transcript of Cruise on the Today Show. Looks like Tom nearly blew a gasket when talking about psychoactive medication. Too bad he didn't electrocute the host...

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