#262615 - 16/08/2005 18:56
Re: Flat panel HDTV with 1920 x 1080 pixel resolution
[Re: tfabris]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/03/2000
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I have a 42" Sony WEGA LCD projection. (...)
It has HDMI, component, bunch of other inputs/outputs and does 1080p.
No, it doesn't.
I haven't yet seen one of the LCD projectors that has a 1920x1080 panel resolution.
Well, they exist now 
I'm a little disappointed by the styling, though. It's already a pet peeve of mine that these giant screens come with speakers at all, but to place them on the sides and then, on a new model, stick them out even more, is just annoying.
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#262616 - 16/08/2005 22:17
Re: Flat panel HDTV with 1920 x 1080 pixel resolution
[Re: tfabris]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 19/09/2002
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Loc: East Coast, USA
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This is not a flame, but a good honest question that I have not been able to figure out for years: Quote:
I'm seeing a lot of people on forums and such who use it as a computer monitor. Seems like it would be well-suited to the task.
I can't see how anyone would use a >40" LCD TV as a computer monitor because of its low resolution. I run 1600 x 1200 on a 21" CRT. For comparison, let's pretend its 16:9, thus a resolution of 2133 x 1200.
I don't understand how 1920 x 1080 can look so super when its less resolution than my typical desktop computer monitor. And the real problem is, that's 1920 x 1080 stretched over a 40" or 60" TV. Those pixels must be huge! How can it be so sharp as a TV, let alone a computer monitor?
"Well, have you ever seen one?" No, I haven't. I guess I should. But I can't imagine that it looks good without sitting 10 feet away. Why not get a 24" widescreen monitor and sit 2 feet away? Seems the same to me.
My next monitor will be the IBM T221 come hell or high water. Dual DVI in to power the 3840 x 2400 in a 22.2" 16:10 widescreen? I don't care if I sit with my nose touching it (which I just may) because that's some nice picture!
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#262617 - 17/08/2005 05:04
Re: Flat panel HDTV with 1920 x 1080 pixel resolution
[Re: FireFox31]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 13/09/1999
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Loc: Croatia
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I can't see how anyone would use a >40" LCD TV as a computer monitor because of its low resolution. I run 1600 x 1200 on a 21" CRT. For comparison, let's pretend its 16:9, thus a resolution of 2133 x 1200.
I don't understand how 1920 x 1080 can look so super when its less resolution than my typical desktop computer monitor. And the real problem is, that's 1920 x 1080 stretched over a 40" or 60" TV. Those pixels must be huge! How can it be so sharp as a TV, let alone a computer monitor?
Perhaps people keep it at some distance? I am sure they are useful for some web surfing while lounging on a sofa...
Anyway, I think you (and I) need this (which, I seem to remember, has already been mentioned on this board, as virtually anything else interesting in the world) 
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#262618 - 17/08/2005 05:43
Re: Flat panel HDTV with 1920 x 1080 pixel resolution
[Re: FireFox31]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5916
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
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I don't understand how 1920 x 1080 can look so super when its less resolution than my typical desktop computer monitor. And the real problem is, that's 1920 x 1080 stretched over a 40" or 60" TV. Those pixels must be huge! How can it be so sharp as a TV, let alone a computer monitor?
I take it that you don't know that good old NTSC based TV (i.e. non-HD) has a massive 640 x 480 "pixels" ? So a 1920 x 1080 screen has way more resolution than a non-HD TV.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTSC
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#262620 - 17/08/2005 11:47
Re: Flat panel HDTV with 1920 x 1080 pixel resolution
[Re: Dignan]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/07/2000
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Loc: Cambridge, England
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Frankly, I've gone to a lower resolution for day to day tasks. I ran at 1600x1200 on my 19" monitor for about 4 years, but now I'm down to about 1280x1024, I believe. If I'm using certain programs like DVDlab or Paint Shop Pro, I'll bump it up to get more desktop space. Otherwise I've been much happier.
I'm a complete ho for resolution. At work I use 1600x1200 each on a pair of 19ins (one CRT, one LCD), at home 1920x1440 on a 21in CRT. The home monitor has recently been making nasty clicky noises, and I'm dreading the day it breaks, because nobody makes 21in 0.22mm-pitch monitors any more, nobody makes 1920x1440 or above LCDs except at ludicrous prices, I don't have the room for two 1600x1200 landscape, and nobody makes cards that do 1200x1600 portrait with open-source drivers except unaccelerated.
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#262621 - 17/08/2005 12:54
Re: Flat panel HDTV with 1920 x 1080 pixel resolution
[Re: peter]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
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The Viewsonic G810 and G220f seem to fit your needs, I think, or at least come very close.
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#262622 - 17/08/2005 22:03
Re: Flat panel HDTV with 1920 x 1080 pixel resolution
[Re: andy]
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journeyman
Registered: 02/04/2002
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Loc: Las Vegas
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Anyway, I think you (and I) need this (which, I seem to remember, has already been mentioned on this board, as virtually anything else interesting in the world)
That looks very cool. But they forfeit a huge amount of credibility for not understanding the difference between "brake" and "break".
Edit: And then they lose what's left with their broken links. Don't think I'd trust a company who can't get a web site done right to sell me something that expensive and support-critical. Where is the pricing, and contact links? There's something not quite right about that site.
Edited by davekirk (17/08/2005 22:24)
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#262623 - 17/08/2005 22:34
Re: Flat panel HDTV with 1920 x 1080 pixel resolution
[Re: FireFox31]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/06/1999
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I can't see how anyone would use a >40" LCD TV as a computer monitor because of its low resolution.
The size is nice to be able to sit at a distance, say, reclined on a nice sofa with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to work on. I don't do anything serious on my HDTV with the computer, but I do play many games on it. Sure, I could sit with my nose to my 20 inch widescreen LCD in the office to game, but it's just not the same. Nice confy sofa, or an office chair?
Plus for multiplayer games (more prominant on consoles, but they do exist for the PC), a large screen like an HDTV is very nice.
Besides, most operating systems scale resolutions horribly anyhow. I'd much rather have a lower resolution on a 60 inch TV so I can read it at a distance then be forced to deal with the not so great DPI scaling in both Windows and OS X.
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#262624 - 19/08/2005 01:23
Re: Flat panel HDTV with 1920 x 1080 pixel resolution
[Re: drakino]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 19/09/2002
Posts: 2494
Loc: East Coast, USA
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a massive 640 x 480
Dignan: Yes, when I first heard that I was very surprised. But I assumed the analog nature of CRT televisions helped smooth out the picture. What I wonder is: when I watch a DVD (16:9) on my 1600x1200 (4:3) monitor, is the image hurt because it's not the native DVD resolution (720 x 480?), or does it look better because it's a higher resolution?
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nice to be able to sit at a distance, say, reclined on a nice sofa
drakino: I once considered mounting an LCD panel on a long, multi jointed swing arm, mounted to a table next to my couch. That way I could sit on the couch with the keyboard and mouse, but swing the monitor to 1.5 feet in front of my face as usual. The trick would be getting some kind of reverse-KVM where I could use either the couch keyboard/video/mouse or the setup at my desk for the same computer. Maybe wireless keyboard/mouse with dual video cards sending duplicate images to desk and couch?
Too bad I pulled the plug on the whole idea (and the third display: the ceiling mounted projector pointing at the drop down screen) because I'm broke like the Windows 2000 Plug and Play service (and have been at work way too long fixing it).
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#262625 - 19/08/2005 21:11
Re: Flat panel HDTV with 1920 x 1080 pixel resolution
[Re: tfabris]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 12/02/2002
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Loc: Berkeley, California
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This one seems to be a better deal, however I didn't check every last spec. Matthew
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#262626 - 22/08/2005 07:54
Re: Flat panel HDTV with 1920 x 1080 pixel resolution
[Re: matthew_k]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
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Loc: Seattle, WA
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Thanks for that link, Matthew. Looks like there's going to be a small spurt of TVs from various brands sporting that 37" 1920x1080 LCD panel. Must be a new panel coming out of some particular fab plant.
I ended up ordering the one I linked at the top of the page because it had some good bundle deals at the time (free DVD player for example), but then Best Buy completely fsked me on the order. Claimed they couldn't verify my credit card information, then couldn't transfer me to anyone who could actually help me straighten it out. After two days solid of trying to get them to resolve my problem on the phone, I instead hung up and resolved never to purchase from Best Buy again.
So, needing a TV and needing it "now"-ish, I went to Circuit City and picked up a 32 inch TV with a lower resolution (768 lines) for a lot less money. I'm more or less happy with the 32 inch unit for now, but if I feel like being adventurous later I'll see if I can buy one of the 1080-line TVs.
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