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#277948 - 22/03/2006 00:00 Re: Laser pointers (Wet Rag post II) [Re: tanstaafl.]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
I'm guessing it's a light bulb shining through a liquid crystal display.
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#277949 - 22/03/2006 00:06 Re: Laser pointers (Wet Rag post II) [Re: matthew_k]
tanstaafl.
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Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 5549
Loc: Ajijic, Mexico
Does yours not have the focus wheel?

Ah! Good point.

Yes, it does have a focus wheel.

But, there may be more to it than that. The projection lens is about 10mm in diameter, but the projected image is about 20 times that size, and the image itself is razor-sharp. I can't imagine LEDs being bright enough to go 20x magnification and still be visible on the opposite wall 15-20 feet away. The image itself is laser-red in color, and if the beam crosses my line of sight it is absolutely blinding, but only momentarily -- no after-images or spots or anything like that.

OK, Wikipedia to the rescue:

Low-brightness projection clocks

Most modern projection clocks use a red LED-based projector, and also an ordinary LED or LCD display.


I'd still like some mechanical details on how they work. Do the LEDs themselves project through the lens, or is there some sort of mask back-lit by the LEDs? Is it one LED for the whole display, or a separate LED for each digit, or a separate LED for each segment of each digit? If it is a back-lit mask, what mechanism changes the mask as the digits change?

Patrick, where are you in my hour of need?

tanstaafl.
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#277950 - 22/03/2006 00:07 Re: Laser pointers (Wet Rag post II) [Re: tanstaafl.]
RobotCaleb
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Registered: 15/01/2002
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#277951 - 22/03/2006 00:25 Re: Laser pointers (Wet Rag post II) [Re: tanstaafl.]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
You can get really bright LEDs now that are more than sufficient to make the clock work. Chances are that they're using some medium brightness but cheap LEDs and therefore have several of them inside the clock. You could use a single ultra bright one but they're $$$.

The LEDs provide the illumination and shine through the LCD and then the lens. Thats pretty much it. The electronics portion is a near enough a standard LCD clock but wired to light up the LEDs when you press a button.

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#277952 - 22/03/2006 01:59 Re: Laser pointers (Wet Rag post II) [Re: Ezekiel]
gbeer
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Registered: 17/12/2000
Posts: 2665
Loc: Manteca, California
Quote:
More info on lasers than you can shake a stick at over at Sam's laser safety FAQ.

-Zeke


This page is particularly good. Hard numbers ( http://members.misty.com/don/lasersaf.htm#safyor )
"You Only Received One Set of Eyeballs?"

At work the running gag about safety lables is that they should all say...
"Do not look into the laser with remaining good eye."

Seriously though, one of the tech's I know is totally blind in one eye. He admits freely he screwed up. He also warns that it happened, and was over with before he knew he'd been burned.
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#277953 - 22/03/2006 08:18 Re: Laser pointers (Wet Rag post II) [Re: gbeer]
g_attrill
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Registered: 14/04/2002
Posts: 1172
Loc: Hants, UK
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Sorry, there is no such thing as an eye safe laser. Even the red sub 5mw units sold will cause damage if viewed for a short time.



I agree that you cannot say any laser is "safe" but the Class 3a red lasers have been shone directly into human retinas for minutes at a time with no damage other than temporary bleaching (white spots), but the green 3a lasers have caused physical damage but not noticeable to the test subjects apparently:

http://www.mayoclinic.org/news2005-rst/2800.html

Gareth

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#277954 - 22/03/2006 09:24 Re: Laser pointers (Wet Rag post II) [Re: RobotCaleb]
pgrzelak
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Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
HAHAHAHAA!!! Thanks! I needed that!
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#277955 - 22/03/2006 11:29 Re: Laser pointers (Wet Rag post II) [Re: pgrzelak]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
lol @ l0ser
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