#280281 - 09/06/2006 04:14
Re: Best videos.
[Re: RobotCaleb]
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Quicktime blows.
I know. Those standards compliant codecs are such a pain these days. Now that proprietary WMV, thats the way to go.
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#280282 - 09/06/2006 04:43
Re: Best videos.
[Re: tfabris]
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(Now, me... I know where to find the small-print link to the standalone quicktime player, and therefore can install quicktime without iTunes, but not everyone does.)
I don't. I tried to find it the other day, and couldn't. Care to drop a couple of hints...?
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#280284 - 09/06/2006 10:47
Re: Best videos.
[Re: RobotCaleb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
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Loc: Seattle, WA
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Quicktime blows.
I actually quite like it, in its most recent versions, for distributing and playing back web video. I can get some really high quality stuff in very small file sizes. For what reasons do you say it blows?
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#280285 - 09/06/2006 10:59
Re: Best videos.
[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 13/07/2000
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I actually quite like it, in its most recent versions, for distributing and playing back web video. I can get some really high quality stuff in very small file sizes. For what reasons do you say it blows?
The codecs are great. The software package is dreadful.
Peter
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#280286 - 09/06/2006 11:06
Re: Best videos.
[Re: peter]
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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The codecs are great. The software package is dreadful.
More specifics?
I think the way it's bundled with iTunes by default is a bit dreadful, but they've at least given us a work-around for that (even if the link is a bit hard to find).
But what's dreadful about QuickTime itself? Seems to work pretty well for me.
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#280287 - 09/06/2006 11:22
Re: Best videos.
[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 13/07/2000
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More specifics?
Just the way it gets its claws into everything (it started up just now when I clicked on a link to an MP3 in Firefox -- why? I've got MP3 turned off in its control panel thing). The way it checks for updates by default. The way it gives itself a system tray icon by default. Basically, the way you can't just download the codecs and have done with it, without Apple making a power grab for your whole multimedia experience.
Peter
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#280288 - 09/06/2006 11:55
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[Re: peter]
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Registered: 12/11/2001
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That's just Apple following the Windows developer creedo. That's the way I've seen every Windows application install itself and behave - at least since I started using Windows in 1995. I'm not saying it's a requirement of writing and distributing Windows software, nor that it's not sloppy and gives a poor user experience, but it's par for the course.
At least you know it's downloading and installing at all. Unlike 30% of the software found on your typical Windows internet user's computer (software they don't know about).
Bruno
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#280289 - 09/06/2006 12:01
Re: Best videos.
[Re: peter]
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Registered: 08/03/2000
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Loc: Sterling, VA
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More specifics?
Just the way it gets its claws into everything (it started up just now when I clicked on a link to an MP3 in Firefox -- why? I've got MP3 turned off in its control panel thing). The way it checks for updates by default. The way it gives itself a system tray icon by default. Basically, the way you can't just download the codecs and have done with it, without Apple making a power grab for your whole multimedia experience.
Exactly my experience. I have no problem with the program assigning its self as the default player, but I didn't ask for Firefox integration, and there seems to be no way to turn it off (although this might be a bit of a Firefox issue as well). And no, I specifically told it when it installed that I did not want it touching my MP3s. Yet there it goes, playing the file when I click on a link.
I could live without the codec purely because it's proprietary, although I just use VLC anyway. They only reason I have Quicktime installed on my PC is for embedded video, which I also strongly dislike.
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#280290 - 09/06/2006 12:15
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[Re: hybrid8]
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That's the way I've seen every Windows application install itself and behave - at least since I started using Windows in 1995
I don't know what software you're using, but I've only seen a few applications behave like Quicktime does when you install it, and those applications get uninstalled as quickly as possible and then I go look for alternatives.
Most Windows software does not automatically install a system tray icon. Most software does not give you the choice of whether you want it to do something, and then completely disregard your choice (I unchecked MP3s, it plays MP3s in my web browser anyway - that seriously pisses me off).
Edited by Dignan (09/06/2006 12:15)
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#280291 - 09/06/2006 13:41
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[Re: drakino]
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Registered: 15/01/2002
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Loc: Austin
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I know. Those standards compliant codecs are such a pain these days. Now that proprietary WMV, thats the way to go.
The format might be good. The player is a piece of crap.
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#280292 - 09/06/2006 23:08
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[Re: RobotCaleb]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/06/1999
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The format might be good. The player is a piece of crap.
Then install Quicktime, but use Media Player Classic to tap into the quicktime codecs. I haven't seen the Quicktime player on Windows since before Quicktime 6.
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#280293 - 10/06/2006 00:24
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[Re: Dignan]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 20/12/1999
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Most Windows software does not automatically install a system tray icon.
Okay, I'm with you there. You're right. The way it installs a system tray icon by default is reprehensible. I hate software that does that. Fortunately, it's got a relatively easy-to-find option for turning that off. Still. H8 H8 H8. 
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#280294 - 10/06/2006 01:03
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[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 23/09/2000
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I also hate that they have a nag screen every day if you don't buy the full version. The player should be free with no nagging.
I'm just happy I figured out how to stop it from playing in firefox.
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#280295 - 10/06/2006 01:09
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[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 12/11/2001
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Loc: Toronto, CANADA
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At one point I used to swear everything I was instaling put some icon in the tray or took over extensions without asking. Even the ATI driver install puts a useless icon in the tray. Java seems to pop one in there at random times, McAfee virus scan is a virus unto itself. And those are very "prominent" installs. I stopped using Windows as a primary/desktop/working OS well over a year ago, so I can't rattle everything off the top of my head.
The most annoying for me however were Windows own tray icons. I still don't know how to get rid of the red sheild that appears when you turn off automatic updates.
MPlayer was my video player of choice for Windows. Windows media player is generally a featureless pain in the butt (it was nowhere near as good as QuickTime Player 6 - except QT wouldn't play all the DivX, xvid and other variants).
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#280296 - 10/06/2006 05:25
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[Re: hybrid8]
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Registered: 18/01/2000
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Even the ATI driver install puts a useless icon in the tray.
It also puts a useless item on almost every context menu in Windows Explorer.
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#280297 - 10/06/2006 12:21
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[Re: Roger]
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The ATI Windows software has always been sub-par and I see no reason it's going to get much better any time soon. Most of the Windows software engineers at the company are quite a ways removed from "getting it."
Since I was doing some software design for the Mac team while there, I also contributed some usability testing for Catalyst Control Center. It was pretty much a failure in every regard. CCC was also the Windows answer to the long-standing ATI Displays for Mac OS which generated some pretty serious waves in the PC teams when it shipped with a nice little suite of 3D Overrides and support for Super-Sampling Anti-Aliasing (which the PC driver team had told their superiors wasn't possible). Nothing like a single team of 20 (and that included testers) constantly outshining multiple teams with a developer count of over 200.
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#280299 - 11/06/2006 03:03
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[Re: tfabris]
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#280300 - 12/06/2006 18:01
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Registered: 06/04/2005
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Loc: Seattle transplant
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Old Glory Insurance SNL bit. Yay robots!
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#280301 - 12/06/2006 22:48
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[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 25/12/2000
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I thought if he said "ah-menn" one more time I was going to reach through my monitor and drag the needle off that record. A-menn! A-menn!
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#280302 - 13/06/2006 13:26
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[Re: hybrid8]
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http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/3 new ones put up, Out of the Box, Touché, and Work vs. Home. Out of them all, I now like Touché the best.
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#280303 - 13/06/2006 17:46
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[Re: jbauer]
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Registered: 07/01/2005
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David Attenborough: The LyrebirdThis bird is amazing. It is linked from Boing Boing, so the link may go dead for a while soon when the webserver gets a hammering!
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#280304 - 13/06/2006 18:18
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[Re: sein]
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#280305 - 13/06/2006 19:27
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[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 17/01/2002
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Wow, Motormouth Jones eat your heart out!
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#280306 - 13/06/2006 19:28
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Registered: 15/01/2002
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#280307 - 13/06/2006 22:23
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Registered: 06/04/2005
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Here's my friend 'Obi-Shawn' doing a funny bit."What if Obi-Wan hosted the Tonight Show?"
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#280308 - 14/06/2006 00:28
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[Re: sein]
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Registered: 16/02/2002
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Awesome. That bird just deserves to 'get laid'! 
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#280309 - 14/06/2006 08:52
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[Re: AndrewT]
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Wonder if it would work for me?
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