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#282825 - 28/06/2006 01:52 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: mlord]
Garrett
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Yea - I have a new 160 drive and it's crippled to 137.

Anyone know of a workaround (ext3 maybe?) and a dynamic partitioning app available that can bump the discbuilder partition up to the full 160?

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#282826 - 28/06/2006 08:15 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: Garrett]
pgrzelak
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Are you running hijack and did you build the drive manually?
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#282827 - 28/06/2006 09:55 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: Garrett]
mlord
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Yeah, the trick is to do the disk-install steps manually, under a Hijack kernel, rather than using the limited builder image.

Someday.. someday..

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#282828 - 28/06/2006 11:41 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: mlord]
pgrzelak
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To be honest, I like the manual way as opposed to the builder. I like being able to set up either extra partitions or larger swap areas. Plus the instructions from Roger are more optimized than the original builder's method.
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#282829 - 29/06/2006 03:51 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: pgrzelak]
Garrett
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Yea - I tried the discbuilder, it failed as expected and I built the disc via roger's steps. I'm guessing I missed something?

Is there any way to resize the partitions?

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#282830 - 29/06/2006 04:18 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: Garrett]
tfabris
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I built the disc via roger's steps. I'm guessing I missed something?

Hm. I don't think that anywhere in the hard disk upgrade guide, nor in Roger's instructions, does it get super-specific and tell you that you must be running a recent Hijack kernel for large disk support to work properly.

I'm not certain that it's necessary, I'm fuzzy on whether the fully bugfixed version of the large disk support code made it into 2.0 final or not. I remember Mark submitting it to them close to the end of 2.0 beta, but I also remember mark needing to make an update to that code and I don't know if the update made it into the final 2.0.

In any case, the one thing I could imagine going wrong is if you were using a standard kernel instead of the Hijack kernel when you tried to partition and format the disk.

I'm going to update the Disk Upgrade Guide with this information now, I think.

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#282831 - 30/06/2006 15:19 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: tfabris]
jbauer
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Hi All,

Got my 2 new drives today. Got the WD1200VEs. Installed and am using http://www.differentpla.net/node/199 and have completed it.

What about the 2nd drive? This procedure and this one: http://www.differentpla.net/node/200 seem to set up one drive. I have two...

How do I setup the 2nd new drive?

- Thanx
- Jon

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#282832 - 30/06/2006 15:27 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: jbauer]
jbauer
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Actually, I'm getting lots of errors when doing this http://www.differentpla.net/node/200

After issuing the "mount -n /dev/hdc4 /drive1" command, I'm getting lots of these errors:

end_request: I/O error, dev 03:44 (hdb), sector 62128128
EXT2-fs error (device ide0(3,68)): read_block_bitmap: Cannot read block bitmap -
block_group = 237, block_bitmap = 7766016
hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }
hdb: read_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=63385549, sector=6317
6704
end_request: I/O error, dev 03:44 (hdb), sector 63176704
EXT2-fs error (device ide0(3,68)): read_block_bitmap: Cannot read block bitmap -
block_group = 241, block_bitmap = 7897088

Are those just bad sectors?

- Thanx
- Jon

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#282833 - 30/06/2006 16:52 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: jbauer]
tfabris
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How do I setup the 2nd new drive?

The procedure looks like it assumes you've got a working drive0 (primary) and the one you're formatting is drive1 (secondary).

So just plug the second new drive in the same spot and do the procedure a second time.
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#282834 - 30/06/2006 16:59 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: jbauer]
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They are not just bad sectors. Those would be invisibly remapped by the drive, as I understand it. Those are errors that are getting back to the empeg. I'd check your cables and header. If it's not one of those, it's almost definitely the drive. You could check to see if you get similar errors with the other drive you said you have to set up.
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#282835 - 30/06/2006 17:48 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: wfaulk]
jbauer
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On one of the drives, I am getting this at the end of the partition procedure:

Command (m for help): p

Disk /dev/hdc: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 14593 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hdc1 1 5 40131 5 Extended
/dev/hdc2 6 10 40162+ 83 Linux
/dev/hdc3 11 13 24097+ 10 OPUS
/dev/hdc4 14 14593 117113850 83 Linux
/dev/hdc5 1 3 24034+ 83 Linux
/dev/hdc6 4 5 16033+ 82 Linux swap

Command (m for help): w
hdb: read_intr: status=0x59
hdb: read_intr: error=0x01
hdb: read_intr: status=0x59
hdb: read_intr: error=0x01
hdb: read_intr: status=0x59
hdb: read_intr: error=0x01
hdb: read_intr: status=0x59
hdb: read_intr: error=0x01
ide0: reset: success
hdb: read_intr: status=0x59
hdb: read_intr: error=0x01
hdb: read_intr: status=0x59
hdb: read_intr: error=0x01
hdb: read_intr: status=0x59
hdb: read_intr: error=0x01
hdb: read_intr: status=0x59
hdb: read_intr: error=0x01
ide0: reset: success
hdb: read_intr: status=0x59
hdb: read_intr: error=0x01
end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 48194

Unable to write /dev/hdc
empeg:/empeg/bin#


The other drive worked fine. Does this smell like a defective drive? Is there a way to be sure and wipe out the drive before starting the procedure so that I can be sure it's clean?

- Thanx
- Jon


Attachments
284054-Jontxt.txt (168 downloads)


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#282836 - 30/06/2006 18:25 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: jbauer]
wfaulk
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It sounds defective to me, but I'll let people more expert at IDE stuff confirm.
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#282837 - 30/06/2006 18:27 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: wfaulk]
jbauer
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It sounds defective to me, but I'll let people more expert at IDE stuff confirm.


Yeah, since one works flawlessly and the other doesn't, I'm doing an RMA. Thanks!

- Jon

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#282838 - 01/07/2006 08:57 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: tfabris]
Roger
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Hm. I don't think that ... in Roger's instructions, does it get super-specific and tell you that you must be running a recent Hijack kernel for large disk support to work properly.


Does now.
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#282839 - 01/07/2006 18:15 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: Roger]
tfabris
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Does now.

Excellent!!!!

A couple additional things you might want to make more clear in your instructions. This is just a suggestion, but there were a couple things that tripped up Jon when he tried it.

1. Clarify what you mean by "I'm going to assume that you've got the empeg's disk available as /dev/hdc.". Jon and I weren't entirely certain what you meant by that, since "hdc" doesn't necessarily mean anything to non-linux people. It was further confused by the fact that Hijack reported errors on HDB, due to the Mk1/Mk2 hdb/hdc compatibility trickery the kernel is performing.

I think what you were trying to say, there, was something more like: "This procedure assumes that you already have a working primary disk drive (hda) with the empeg software installed on it, and that the new drive you want to partition and format is in the secondary drive spot (hdc) with the slave jumper installed. This procedure partitions and formats whatever is plugged in as the secondary drive."

2. Clarify at the end where you say "The steps so far have prepared the disk only for holding music. If you're planning on using the disk as the primary disk in your empeg, you'll need to install a player image once you've fitted it."

Perhaps it might be worth it to say that installing a player image on the drive requires that the drive be swapped into the primary spot by changing the jumpers. And that installing a player image will erase Hijack, which will need to be reinstalled again for the large disk support.
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#282840 - 01/07/2006 18:22 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: tfabris]
Roger
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A couple additional things


OK. I'll look at those when I've sobered up (just watched England fail to win the World Cup again). If I don't remember, PM me.
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#282841 - 02/07/2006 00:47 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: Roger]
mlord
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Okay, I am putting together an updated builder image now. So far, I've replaced the kernel with Hijack, and turned on swap during the upgrade. What else needs to be different?

I suppose I can read through Roger's detailed guide and try to find out, but..

Once the final (tested?) version is complete, I'll likely provide the binary on (email) request, and otherwise publish a script to patch an original (copyrighted) builder image.

Cheers


Edited by mlord (02/07/2006 00:50)

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#282842 - 02/07/2006 18:17 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: mlord]
tfabris
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Okay, I am putting together an updated builder image now

Awesome.

Question: How much code is there actually in the builder image? Or perhaps more specifically: How much code would have to be added to a standard Hijack kernel to make disk partitioning formatting a built-in feature available from its knob menu? Just wondering. Is partitioning and formatting something that requires a lot of large non-kernel functions?
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#282843 - 02/07/2006 20:56 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: tfabris]
Roger
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make disk partitioning formatting a built-in feature available from its knob menu?


Whoa. Bad idea. Imagine attempting to select Breakout, and hitting the button just as you drive over a bump.

I humbly submit that the builder image is a special one-off, and should be kept somewhere safe.
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#282844 - 02/07/2006 21:24 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: Roger]
tfabris
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I'm sure he could make it really really difficult to select accidentally.

Anyway, it'd be nice if there were a way to make an updated builder image as easily available as the current builder image: No emailing, no scripts to merge builders, etc.

Is there anything in the current builder that's so copyrighted that it can't be redistributed by Mark? What if you just took Mark's builder and put it on the Empeg.com site?
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#282845 - 03/07/2006 01:09 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: tfabris]
mlord
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Disk partitioning would be a near-trivial add-on for Hijack. But the "formatting" part is much much bigger -- I'd have to include the mkfs.ext3 binary (executable) inside the kernel, and it wouldn't fit in the available flash memory space (unfortunately).

Best left as a separate image (heartily agreeing with Roger).

Anyway, I have an image with Hijack+swap, just wonder what else needed tweaking. How about the mkfs.ext3 options?

Cheers

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#282846 - 06/07/2006 16:28 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: mlord]
spider
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think I'll hold out for the 1.46 TB 2.5 inch drive.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/arti...urce=rss_news50

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#282847 - 06/07/2006 22:52 Re: Largest empeg. [Re: spider]
jbauer
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240GB installed. Thanks to Tony for the upgrade coaching, Roger for the guides, and Matt for buying my old drives...

- Jon

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