#284930 - 31/07/2006 05:45
English vs American
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I've been to the UK before, but only in short spurts. I am just wrapping up a month-long visit, and during my stay, I have compiled a list of differences between English and American speech. I've had quite a laugh over some of the uses and pronunciations, and so, without further ado... English American- Holiday vs Vacation
- Chips vs Fries
- Crisps vs Chips
- Garden vs Backyard
- Lorry vs Truck
- Trolly vs Cart (as in a shopping cart)
- Knickers/Pants vs Underwear
- Loo/Toilet vs Bathroom/Restroom
- Let vs Rent
- Biscuit vs Cookie
- Torch vs Flashlight
- Vitamin (pronounced with a soft "i" as in "big") vs Vitamin (pronounced with a hard "i", as in "bike")
- Drink Driving vs Drunk Driving
- Boot vs Trunk
- Nappy vs Diaper
- Swimming Costume vs Swimsuit
- Boots vs Shoes (specifically athletic)
- Cling Film vs Saran Wrap/Plastic Wrap
- Sun Cream vs Sunblock/Sunscreen
- Pupil vs Student
- Vest vs Undershirt (specifically the one with no sleeves, ala the "wifebeater" style)
- Queue (how many vowels can we put in succession in a word?) vs Line
- Fillet (ignore the French pronunciation and say it just like it is spelled: Fill-et) vs Filet (pronounce it like the French intended: Fil-lay)
- Jalapeño (ignore the Spanish pronunciation and say it just like it is spelled: Jal-a-pee-no) vs Jalapeño (pronounce it like the Spanish intended: Hal-a-pen-yo)
I'm sure there is more, so feel free to add to the list.
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#284931 - 31/07/2006 08:53
Re: English vs American
[Re: Cybjorg]
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Ok.....
I'd remove Jalapeño because that's obviously just someone being a moron, everybody I know pronounces it correctly.
Pupil vs Student - Pupil specifically means somebody in education up to the age of 16, student means somebody over the age of 16 in higher education.
Let vs Rent - We have letting agents, but rent would be the phrase more commonly used, "I'm renting", "I'm going to pay the rent" etc.
Boots vs Shoes - Never hear that, everybody I know calls them shoes, you buy them from the shoe shop.
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#284932 - 31/07/2006 09:39
Re: English vs American
[Re: Cybjorg]
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That's a 'well good' list there- you should be 'right chuffed'! Bonnet vs Hood (engine cover) Hood vs Top (roadster soft-top) Petrol vs Gas/Gasoline And anyway, I don't like Jal-a-pee-nos on my Que-see-dill-as... and don't get me started on those Faj-ee-tas, either!
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#284933 - 31/07/2006 10:00
Re: English vs American
[Re: sn00p]
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I keep seeing "TO LET signs around the city. The other day, my brother spotted one where someone had inserted a capital "I" in between the perfect spacing between the words, making it "TOILET".
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#284934 - 31/07/2006 10:17
Re: English vs American
[Re: Cybjorg]
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Swimming Costume vs Swimsuit
"Swimming Costume" is a generic term for all swimwear. "Swimsuit usually refers to the female apparel. "Trunks" refers to the male speedo-style apparel.
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Boots vs Shoes (specifically athletic)
Boots I think are the same, generally any footwear which covers the ankle or higher, shoes being anything lower.
Trainers v Sneakers (running shoes) is probably a more common difference
Also the word "fanny" should not be used in the UK, because it refers to a female's body part on the opposite side.
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#284935 - 31/07/2006 10:46
Re: English vs American
[Re: Robotic]
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Quote: That's a 'well good' list there- you should be 'right chuffed'!
I think you've watched too much simpsons!
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#284936 - 31/07/2006 10:57
Re: English vs American
[Re: Cybjorg]
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Quote: Drink Driving vs Drunk Driving
This is the only one that actually bothers me. Why is it said that way in the UK? "Drunk driving" makes sense: you're driving while drunk. "Drink driving" sounds like you make your living driving a beverage truck...or lorry.
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#284937 - 31/07/2006 10:58
Re: English vs American
[Re: Dignan]
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Quote: Drink Driving vs Drunk Driving
This is the only one that actually bothers me. Why is it said that way in the UK? "Drunk driving" makes sense: you're driving while drunk. "Drink driving" sounds like you make your living driving a beverage truck...or lorry.
Because you're driving after you've had a drink. You could be convicted of drink-driving without actually being drunk.
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#284938 - 31/07/2006 11:10
Re: English vs American
[Re: sn00p]
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Registered: 27/02/2004
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immigrant / alien jumper / sweater trousers / pants
Edited by tahir (31/07/2006 11:12)
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#284939 - 31/07/2006 11:12
Re: English vs American
[Re: sn00p]
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Quote: Because you're driving after you've had a drink.
Yup, more more sensible and truthful than the other way.
Cheers
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#284940 - 31/07/2006 11:44
Re: English vs American
[Re: tahir]
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There's a lot of food ones, often where US English has borrowed the Italian word: Courgette / zucchini Aubergine / eggplant Spring onion / scallion Coriander leaf / cilantro Pepper / bell-pepper (yes, UK English can't usually distinguish piper nigrum from capsicum annuum except by context) Icing / frosting Jam / jelly http://thefoody.com/glossary/translate.htmlAlso, "entrée" is a first-course in the UK, but a main course in the US. The UK seem to have got hung up on it being the "entrance" to the meal, whereas the US preserves the original meaning of the course that "makes a grand entrance". Peter
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#284941 - 31/07/2006 12:04
Re: English vs American
[Re: peter]
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Also don't forget...
Telly vs T.V. (as slang for Television)
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#284942 - 31/07/2006 12:09
Re: English vs American
[Re: Cybjorg]
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Does "flat vs. apartment" qualify?
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#284943 - 31/07/2006 12:15
Re: English vs American
[Re: tonyc]
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Rubbish - Trash University - College
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#284944 - 31/07/2006 12:20
Re: English vs American
[Re: peter]
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Quote: There's a lot of food ones, often where US English has borrowed the Italian word: Coriander leaf / cilantro
I was aware that coriander is a popular addition to belgian beers, and I was aware that cilantro is an ingredient in many salsas. I was not aware they are the same thing!
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#284945 - 31/07/2006 12:42
Re: English vs American
[Re: tonyc]
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But coriander (the US version, namely the dried "seeds", which are actually fruit) and cilantro (the leaf) taste nothing like each other.
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#284946 - 31/07/2006 12:43
Re: English vs American
[Re: mlord]
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Quote: Because you're driving after you've had a drink.
Yup, more more sensible and truthful than the other way.
As long as you're willing to ignore the fact that "drink" is not an adjective.
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#284947 - 31/07/2006 12:55
Re: English vs American
[Re: AndrewT]
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Quote: University - College
I've never quite got my head round the way US English uses "school" to refer to university education -- after all, high schools have "school" in the name, but universities all have "university" in the name. When a US parent says to me, "My son is thinking of going to school in England", is there a way of telling that the son means to attend a university, or is it actually ambiguous?
Peter
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#284948 - 31/07/2006 13:17
Re: English vs American
[Re: peter]
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Pretty much just by context, or the age of the kid. Kinda like you guys do with pepper.
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#284949 - 31/07/2006 13:19
Re: English vs American
[Re: peter]
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Quote: University - College
I've never quite got my head round the way US English uses "school" to refer to university education -- after all, high schools have "school" in the name, but universities all have "university" in the name. When a US parent says to me, "My son is thinking of going to school in England", is there a way of telling that the son means to attend a university, or is it actually ambiguous?
So what about American universities? 'University of [insert place]' - the US has those, don't they? So when a US person says school would it not translate to our college?
I get mixed up between the US terms Junior High, High School, School, College and University. Someone explain!
Edit: And whle I'm posting...
Mobile phone - Cell Phone Chocolate - Candy Shopping Centre - Mall Cellar - Basement
Also the types of cars - sedan etc.
Edited by Phil. (31/07/2006 13:24)
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#284950 - 31/07/2006 13:29
Re: English vs American
[Re: wfaulk]
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Quote:
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Quote: Because you're driving after you've had a drink.
Yup, more more sensible and truthful than the other way.
As long as you're willing to ignore the fact that "drink" is not an adjective.
That's what bugs me about it. sn00p, if it were "drink-driving" as you wrote it, I think it would be a little better.
Besides, I'm not sure I agree with that reasoning. Aren't both terms used to describe when you are legally over the limit to drive? We're talking about an official level of "drunk," not how many drinks you tell people it takes to get you wasted.
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#284951 - 31/07/2006 13:35
Re: English vs American
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Quote: Because you're driving after you've had a drink.
Yup, more more sensible and truthful than the other way.
As long as you're willing to ignore the fact that "drink" is not an adjective.
That's what bugs me about it. sn00p, if it were "drink-driving" as you wrote it, I think it would be a little better.
Besides, I'm not sure I agree with that reasoning. Aren't both terms used to describe when you are legally over the limit to drive? We're talking about an official level of "drunk," not how many drinks you tell people it takes to get you wasted.
Maybe you should have indicated that it was the incorrect use of grammar that bugged you, that wasn't how I read your post. I assume Mark also interpreted your post the same way as me.
And yes, it's drink-driving, but you didn't write that in your orginal post, I copied what you wrote verbatim.
I still believe drink-driving is a far more accurate term to describe the offence, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Edit: This sounds abrupt, sorry, not trying to be - but can't find the words to make it sound less so! Apologies in advance.
Edited by sn00p (31/07/2006 13:39)
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#284952 - 31/07/2006 14:02
Re: English vs American
[Re: wfaulk]
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Quote:
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Quote: Because you're driving after you've had a drink.
Yup, more more sensible and truthful than the other way.
As long as you're willing to ignore the fact that "drink" is not an adjective.
No difference: drunk [EDIT]was originally not an adjective.
Cheers
Edited by mlord (31/07/2006 14:04)
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#284953 - 31/07/2006 14:13
Re: English vs American
[Re: Cybjorg]
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What about the practice of dropping certain articles? I've always wondered about this:
UK: "He's in hospital" US: "He's in the hospital"
Isn't the latter actually correct English, even in England? When would you use one and not the other?
Speaking of words that start with H... What about the practice of treating H as if it were silent at the start of a word? Even extending to the choice of using "a" or "an" when placing the article before the word:
UK: "The dolphin will jump through an 'oop" US: "The dolphin will jump through a hoop"
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#284954 - 31/07/2006 14:17
Re: English vs American
[Re: sn00p]
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No worries! I understand what you're saying. I guess we'll disagree then But one last point: Quote: And yes, it's drink-driving, but you didn't write that in your orginal post, I copied what you wrote verbatim.
I've never seen your version with the hyphen until I read your post. I've read a number of British news reports that have used the term often but never put a hyphen in it. So that's the official way to write it? In the US it's "drunk driving," without a hyphen.
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#284955 - 31/07/2006 14:17
Re: English vs American
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Speaking of words that start with H... What about the practice of treating H as if it were silent at the start of a word? Even extending to the choice of using "a" or "an" when placing the article before the word:
UK: "The dolphin will jump through an 'oop" US: "The dolphin will jump through a hoop"
I've never heard anyone ever do that over here. H's get pronounced just fine (in that example anyway). Edit: Unless its on Eastenders
Of course you're supposed to put an 'an' before a word beginning with H. e.g. 'An hotel' as if it begins with a vowel - but nobody ever does that.
The hospital one I'm unsure of - we've had that discussion on this bbs before though! I would say 'in hospital'.
Edited by Phil. (31/07/2006 14:19)
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#284957 - 31/07/2006 14:49
Re: English vs American
[Re: Robotic]
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Dinner = Lunch Tea = Dinner (lower class) (High) Tea = ?? Afternoon cakes? (upper class)
This also varies depending where in the UK you are, and how old you are!
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#284958 - 31/07/2006 14:52
Re: English vs American
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Quote: That's a 'well good' list there- you should be 'right chuffed'!
I think you've watched too much simpsons!
Eh? Simpsons? I've been stuck in West Yorkshire for 5 weeks! I'm 'nackered' and flying home tomorrow- "Chocks away, Ginger!"
It's the way you wrote it, I always read things like that in the style of the simpsons doing an english voice! They crack me up, I'm sure there are plenty of americans (and other people around the world) who think we actually talk like that! Anyway, tally-ho old chap, I'm off up the apples and pears!
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#284959 - 31/07/2006 14:53
Re: English vs American
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Braces = Suspenders
Which makes me wonder what you yanks call those things that girlies use to keep their tights up
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#284960 - 31/07/2006 14:56
Re: English vs American
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Ok, I love this thread. At school here (Italy) we mainly study British English, even though you never know until you learn enough to tell the difference between British English and American English. Now, what about this: Rubber (UK) = Eraser (AM) ? I still remember my classmates laughing when I asked for a "rubber", in Santa Clara University, CA, USA Of course those are pretty funny ways to learn and never forget.
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#284961 - 31/07/2006 15:00
Re: English vs American
[Re: tfabris]
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Quote: What about the practice of dropping certain articles? I've always wondered about this:
UK: "He's in hospital" US: "He's in the hospital"
Isn't the latter actually correct English, even in England? When would you use one and not the other?
The first is used instead of the US "he's been hospitalized", where it's unknown (or irrelevant) exactly which hospital he's been taken to. The second would only be used when a particular hospital has already been discussed. There are plenty of similar constructs: "on holiday" rather than "on a vacation", "in bed" rather than "in their bed", and so on.
Another shibboleth to do with missing words is missing prepositions in US English: I've mainly seen this in cnn.com headlines, but people do it in speech too: "Let's do this Tuesday" rather than "Let's do this on Tuesday". And in US English, "protest" is a transitive verb with no preposition, and you can "protest" gay marriages, whereas in the UK it's intransitive and always takes a preposition: you'd have to "protest against" gay marriages. Mind you, elsewhere there's extra prepositions: in the US you "meet with" someone, whereas in the UK you just "meet" them.
Quote: Speaking of words that start with H... What about the practice of treating H as if it were silent at the start of a word? Even extending to the choice of using "a" or "an" when placing the article before the word:
UK: "The dolphin will jump through an 'oop" US: "The dolphin will jump through a hoop"
"Hoop" has the H sounded in Received Pronunciation UK English, and no-one would say "an hoop" if they sounded the H. However, in the past the H was never sounded, and there are still some words where it isn't, such as "hour". And of course there are words where the H is sounded in some English accents but not others: a Yorkshireman would say "an 'oop". Some style guides for written UK English, including the BBC's, abhor this ambiguity and require "an" for all H words.
Peter
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#284962 - 31/07/2006 15:02
Re: English vs American
[Re: Dignan]
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Quote: No worries! I understand what you're saying. I guess we'll disagree then
But one last point:
Quote: And yes, it's drink-driving, but you didn't write that in your orginal post, I copied what you wrote verbatim.
I've never seen your version with the hyphen until I read your post. I've read a number of British news reports that have used the term often but never put a hyphen in it. So that's the official way to write it? In the US it's "drunk driving," without a hyphen.
I wrote that subconsciously, my grammar isn't that great! Although looking it up on the web, "drink-driving" does seem to be the correct way to apply it (as opposed to "drink driving").
My problem with drunk driving is that its use with the word alcohol generally means 2 things:
John drunk some beers. (may or may not be feeling the effects) John was drunk. (definately feeling the effects!)
When used in the term "drunk driver", I agree that it could mean that either "John drunk some beers and then drove" or "john was drunk while driving", but if you were to ask the average person on the street, I'd hazard a guess that they'd go for the second meaning of the word.
Each to their own though!
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#284963 - 31/07/2006 15:04
Re: English vs American
[Re: wfaulk]
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Coriander and Cilantro both can refer to the leaf. The only difference depends on the enthnicity of the restaurant, store or cookbook you're reading. I don't ever use the word Cilantro - it's always been coriander. And I've always lived around plenty of Italians. Or Eye-talians as they say in the US. I also don't like it, not in salsa, not in anything really.
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#284964 - 31/07/2006 15:05
Re: English vs American
[Re: sn00p]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 14/01/2002
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John drunk some beers.
John drank some beers? Is 'drunk' correct usage?
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#284965 - 31/07/2006 15:07
Re: English vs American
[Re: CrackersMcCheese]
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fag = cigarette homosexual = fag
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#284966 - 31/07/2006 15:09
Re: English vs American
[Re: furtive]
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Also asking for faggots isn't a good idea!
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#284967 - 31/07/2006 15:13
Re: English vs American
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Quote:
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John drunk some beers.
John drank some beers? Is 'drunk' correct usage?
No idea! Maybe, "john has drunk some beers" would have been a better example.
I'm sure the grammar police will be along to sort this out!
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#284968 - 31/07/2006 15:23
Re: English vs American
[Re: peter]
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A very clear summary, peter. Thanks. Oh, and regarding this: Quote: missing prepositions in US English: I've mainly seen this in cnn.com headlines
I don't count it when they do it in headlines. Headlines are a specific writing style where they're deliberately dropping prepositions and articles in order to fit a larger typeface in the limited space. They're not complete sentences.
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#284969 - 31/07/2006 15:39
Re: English vs American
[Re: furtive]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 06/04/2005
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Loc: Seattle transplant
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Quote: Braces = Suspenders
Which makes me wonder what you yanks call those things that girlies use to keep their tights up
Garter?
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#284970 - 31/07/2006 17:00
Re: English vs American
[Re: peter]
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Courgette / zucchini
Also Marrow / Melon
Foxed me when I saw "Wallace & Gromit" in NY, they recorded two versions, one where his Gromit's marrow was referred to as a melon for US audiences (and others presumably), but the UK version called it a marrow.
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#284971 - 31/07/2006 17:18
Re: English vs American
[Re: CrackersMcCheese]
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Dinner = Lunch Tea = Dinner (lower class)
This also varies depending where in the UK you are, and how old you are!
I think age has to do with it here in the US as well. Up until a few years ago, my great grandmother was still alive, and her meal schedule was: breakfast - morning dinner - noon supper - evening
Looks like wikipedia has a dedicated meal section, even covering the origins of second breakfast, and elevenses.
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#284972 - 31/07/2006 19:40
Re: English vs American
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Quote: I get mixed up between the US terms Junior High, High School, School, College and University. Someone explain!
I think we've had this one before, but....
In the US, there are 13 years of education (commonly called grades) prior to college/university: kindergarten (optional) and first through twelfth grades. Usually individual schools only teach a subset of those grades, and they're usually divided up as K-5, 6-8, 9-12. K-5 is usually called "elementary school", 6-8 is usually called "middle school", but used to be called "junior high school", or just "junior high" for short, and 9-12 is usually called "high school". Some places divide it up differently, usually for private schools and very small school districts, just because it doesn't make sense to have three divisions for the small numbers of students that they have. These levels of education are provided by the government to all children, and are in fact required up to some level (which I forget the specifics of, and probably varies by state anyway). There are private schools for these grades, too. Children are usually sent to private schools because their parents feel that the public schools are not appropriate for their children, ranging from that they think the quality is poor or that they think their children need religious-based education. Children can also be "home-schooled", which means that they are taught by their parents. The common notion is that home-schooled children often grow up poorly socialized.
A high school diploma is the lowest recognized level of education, and if that's all the education you have, you're likely to have a hard time finding work beyond skilled labor.
"College" and "University" both refer to education past 12th grade. This education is not provided for free, though there are a large number of schools that are run by governments, and they tend to cost less, especially for people who are citizens of the government it is run by. "College" and "University" are almost interchangeable. The difference tends to be that colleges tend to have a limited scope of the degrees that they offer, whereas universities offer degrees in a wide range of subjects, but a more appropriate distinction is probably just that some of these schools call themselves universities and some call themselves colleges. Also, universities often subdivide themselves into colleges based on subject. For example, the university I attended had a college of physical and mathematical sciences, a college of engineering, a college of design, a college of humanities, etc.
"School" is a term that refers to all of those, and you just have to know which one by context. It's kind of like "train". You might be referring to Amtrak/British Rail or you might be talking about a subway or you might be talking about an el.
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Re: English vs American
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Quote: Marrow / Melon
What do you call the stuff inside bones that generate blood cells?
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#284974 - 31/07/2006 19:51
Re: English vs American
[Re: mlord]
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Quote: No difference: drunk [EDIT]was originally not an adjective.
The first etymology I could find (not near my OED right now) dates it as an adjective back to 1340, which is well prior to modern English. It even predates the Great Vowel Shift. So, yes, it was not originally an adjective, but only if you go back to Middle English.
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#284975 - 31/07/2006 19:59
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[Re: tfabris]
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Registered: 29/08/2000
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Loc: Canada
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Quote: I don't count it when they do it in headlines.
That should be, I don't count it as such when they do it in headlines.
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#284976 - 31/07/2006 20:07
Re: English vs American
[Re: g_attrill]
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Also Marrow / Melon
Foxed me when I saw "Wallace & Gromit" in NY, they recorded two versions, one where his Gromit's marrow was referred to as a melon for US audiences (and others presumably), but the UK version called it a marrow.
That is a bit of artistic licence then. A UK marrow does not equal a US melon.
A marrow is a type of squash (in fact I think it might actually be just a large Zucchini/courgette). It isn't very popular nowadays, but from my childhood I remember it being stringy, slimey and just plain nasty. Could just have been the way it was cooked though...
We also call the stuff inside bones marrow.
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#284977 - 31/07/2006 20:55
Re: English vs American
[Re: andy]
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Registered: 21/03/2002
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Write to me (UK), write me (US). Even after 6 years in the US it still bothers me to hear / see that.
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#284978 - 31/07/2006 22:37
Re: English vs American
[Re: Cybjorg]
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Registered: 14/04/2002
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Loc: Hants, UK
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It's worth mentioning this site, it has a large collection of British terms: http://www.effingpot.com/
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#284979 - 01/08/2006 05:12
Re: English vs American
[Re: g_attrill]
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I took my kids to Legoland in Windsor a couple weeks ago. My son said something about the water on a water ride, but he pronounced it the American way with a "d" in place of the "t" (as in Wa-der). A nearby girl spouted out in her cockney accent, "Did you hear how he pronounced the word wa'er?"
Many Brits tend to eliminate the t's in certain words. I've also noticed a lot of vowels added to the ends of words ending in vowels (Angeler instead of Angela, Christiner instead of Christina).
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#284980 - 01/08/2006 05:18
Re: English vs American
[Re: Cybjorg]
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And I forgot to mention...
Brilliant vs Great/Fantastic
In American, the word Brilliant refers to 2 things: the brightness of an object or the extreme genius of one's intellect.
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#284981 - 01/08/2006 05:32
Re: English vs American
[Re: Cybjorg]
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Quote: Many Brits tend to eliminate the t's in certain words. I've also noticed a lot of vowels added to the ends of words ending in vowels (Angeler instead of Angela, Christiner instead of Christina).
You have a similar thing too!
Craig - "Creg"
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#284982 - 01/08/2006 07:10
Re: English vs American
[Re: Cybjorg]
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Registered: 18/01/2000
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Loc: London, UK
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Quote: Many Brits tend to eliminate the t's in certain words.
That's a glottal stop and it's common in Estuary English.
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#284983 - 01/08/2006 10:30
Re: English vs American
[Re: andy]
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Loc: Cambridge, England
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Quote: A marrow is a type of squash (in fact I think it might actually be just a large Zucchini/courgette). It isn't very popular nowadays, but from my childhood I remember it being stringy, slimey and just plain nasty. Could just have been the way it was cooked though...
It's just a large courgette, yes. They're horrible if overcooked (especially if boiled); the best thing to do with them is hollow out the centres, stuff them, and bake them, either halved lengthways or cut crossways into thick rings.
With the right weather, watering, and feeding, marrows can become truly gigantic; competitive marrow-growing is very much a part of Wallace's Yorkshire culture. Competition-sized specimens are probably inedible however you cook them.
Peter
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#284984 - 01/08/2006 10:37
Re: English vs American
[Re: wfaulk]
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Loc: Sterling, VA
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Quote: they're usually divided up as K-5, 6-8, 9-12. K-5 is usually called "elementary school", 6-8 is usually called "middle school", but used to be called "junior high school", or just "junior high" for short, and 9-12 is usually called "high school". Some places divide it up differently, usually for private schools and very small school districts, just because it doesn't make sense to have three divisions for the small numbers of students that they have.
I don't mean to extend the tangent, but I wonder how common the various divisions are. For example, my entire county uses a similar system, except that middle school is grades 7 and 8 only, with 6th being part of elementary school. And the last part of your statement doesn't apply, because Fairfax County in Virginia is a very large county with a very high population.
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#284985 - 01/08/2006 12:02
Re: English vs American
[Re: Dignan]
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True, it does vary somewhat. But you still have three divisions. And the naming convention is basically the same, where elementary, junior high/middle, and high schools are three separate institutions for three separate, but continuous, sets of grades.
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#284986 - 01/08/2006 12:56
Re: English vs American
[Re: wfaulk]
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Registered: 14/08/2001
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Loc: London, UK
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Some more:
Handbag = Purse Waistcoat = Vest
And the pizza hut adverts that are currently being shown in the UK are obviously American because the taglne is "We you the pizza, you do the math"
Which raises 2 points:
1) maths = math 2) "you do the math" is a real americanism
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#284987 - 01/08/2006 13:46
Re: English vs American
[Re: furtive]
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
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Quote: Handbag = Purse
along those same lines:
Rucksack = Backpack
also
Trousers = Pants
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#284988 - 01/08/2006 14:25
Re: English vs American
[Re: Cybjorg]
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Registered: 17/12/2000
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Loc: Manteca, California
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Quote: ... pronounced it the American way with a "d" in place of the "t" (as in Wa-der)...
oooh! I do that. Never noticed it for being recognized as an American accent.
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#284989 - 01/08/2006 19:01
Re: English vs American
[Re: gbeer]
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Registered: 14/08/2001
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When in NY my wife asked for a bottle of waTer in a deli and the guy didn't have a clue what she wanted despite her saying it very clearly a number of times.
Being an old hand at the NY accent (having lived there for a couple of years) I just leaned over and said waDer and he understood me first time
I can't understand how he couldn't understand someone saying it like it is spelt though.
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#284990 - 01/08/2006 19:05
Re: English vs American
[Re: furtive]
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It was probably the difference in the pronunciation of the "A". In the US, the "A" is much more flat, almost whiny sounding. In the UK, it's much more at the back of the throat. I think that the difference in the pronunciation of the "T" is largely based on the differences in how we pronounce that vowel.
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#284991 - 01/08/2006 19:19
Re: English vs American
[Re: peter]
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Loc: Portland, OR
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Quote: Jam / jelly
I always thought the difference between these was that Jam had chunks of fruit in it, but jelly didn't -- it was just made from the juice of the fruit. But then, I'm neither British, nor American.
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#284992 - 01/08/2006 19:29
Re: English vs American
[Re: canuckInOR]
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Registered: 25/12/2000
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That's the US difference. In the UK, jam is either one and jelly is what we in the US would call gelatin, or, more likely, Jell-O.
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#284993 - 01/08/2006 20:01
Re: English vs American
[Re: JBjorgen]
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Registered: 17/01/2002
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Loc: Manchester UK
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Quote: Trousers = Pants
Up here in the north west Pants == Trousers
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#284994 - 01/08/2006 20:04
Re: English vs American
[Re: furtive]
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Registered: 14/04/2002
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Loc: Hants, UK
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Quote: When in NY my wife asked for a bottle of waTer in a deli and the guy didn't have a clue what she wanted despite her saying it very clearly a number of times.
I had the same problem asking for a "tuna melt" - (pronounced "tuner"), after repeating it he said "oh, you wanna toona melt?"
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#284995 - 01/08/2006 20:07
Re: English vs American
[Re: furtive]
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Registered: 17/01/2002
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Loc: Manchester UK
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Quote: I can't understand how he couldn't understand someone saying it like it is spelt though.
I think the man was obviously a spazz.
Whilst at uni my flatmate moved his girlfriend in, she was from california and couldn't understand a word I said. However my flatmate who hailed from Dundee was understood perfectly, looking back now I wonder whether she was just taking the piss.
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#284996 - 01/08/2006 21:48
Re: English vs American
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#284997 - 01/08/2006 22:17
Re: English vs American
[Re: Mataglap]
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Registered: 25/08/2000
Posts: 2413
Loc: NH USA
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How could we have gotten this far without bollocks/balls? And did I miss it or did someone already post the link to the English/American Dictionary page? This is a very amusing thread... -Zeke
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#284998 - 01/08/2006 22:45
Re: English vs American
[Re: Cybjorg]
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
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Quote: In American, the word Brilliant refers to 2 things: the brightness of an object or the extreme genius of one's intellect.
With the word frequently being used the British way in the hugely popular Harry Potter films, I'll bet that this is one usage that will become commonplace in the US within a generation.
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#284999 - 02/08/2006 01:03
Re: English vs American
[Re: Cybjorg]
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Registered: 19/09/2002
Posts: 2494
Loc: East Coast, USA
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Haven't read the whole thread, but how about:
al-U-min-ium vs. al-oo-mi-num
Aren't there some other creative chemical name differences? Do the English still use names such as Hydrargyrum, Stannum, Plumbum, Aurum, Argentum, etc? (totally copied from wikipedia; I only knew the odd symbols off hand)
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#285001 - 02/08/2006 02:20
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[Re: Robotic]
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Registered: 17/08/2000
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Loc: Seattle, WA. USA
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Wow, this far without...
Lift = Elevator
That one always cracked me up when my English friend in 5th grade would use it. Oh, what about...
Naught = Zero "Zed" = "Zee"
Those two caused me big trouble in College Calculus. Our Professor was a South African Dutch and I could barely understand what he was saying when he was speaking English... much less explaining Calculus.
And I was always under the impression that "waDur" was not American, but a New Jersey thing... or am I confusing that with "Wudder".
Edited by bootsy (02/08/2006 02:24)
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#285002 - 02/08/2006 04:38
Re: English vs American
[Re: Robotic]
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Registered: 10/06/1999
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Quote:
In general, I was horrified at the amount of salt in the food I was eating in the UK.
That is odd. I am always shocked by how salty the fast food and food in some diners is in the US.
I remember a visit to a Denny's diner in Bellevue, WA where I could barely eat any of the food it was so salty. I didn't have a rental car at the time, so my breakfast choice was Pizza Hut, Denny's or some crappy steak house (as they were the only places in walking distance of my hotel).
The people in the UK who slag off US food in general however clearly haven't gone to the US themselves and eaten selectively. In the two areas I have been to (Washington State and Manhatten) I ate plenty of excellent food.
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#285003 - 02/08/2006 05:02
Re: English vs American
[Re: Mataglap]
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Loc: Winston Salem, NC
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Quote: Whilst vs. while
The word 'whilst' really bothers me for some reason, especially in the context that it is use throughout the UK.
Here's one I heard on the radio this morning:
anti-clockwise vs counter-clockwise
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#285004 - 02/08/2006 05:04
Re: English vs American
[Re: bootsy]
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Registered: 23/12/2002
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Quote: I was always under the impression that "waDur" was not American, but a New Jersey thing...
I think that's "waaduh".
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#285005 - 02/08/2006 08:00
Re: English vs American
[Re: peter]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 27/02/2004
Posts: 1914
Loc: London
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Quote: With the right weather, watering, and feeding, marrows can become truly gigantic; competitive marrow-growing is very much a part of Wallace's Yorkshire culture.Peter
We're running a virtual marrow competition at Downsizer, based solely on length. Hate to say it but they don't stand a chance I've got the longest marrow I've ever seen developing on one of my plants.
My favourite way to eat marrow is boiled, mashed, loads of butter, black pepper and nutmeg. Great with any meat, especially lamb. Makes a good veggie curry too.
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#285006 - 02/08/2006 08:36
Re: English vs American
[Re: tahir]
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Registered: 27/02/2004
Posts: 1914
Loc: London
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BTW broiled = grilled doesn't it?
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#285007 - 02/08/2006 11:11
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[Re: FireFox31]
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Quote: Haven't read the whole thread, but how about:
al-U-min-ium vs. al-oo-mi-num
Oh, sorry, that's another one that bothers me. Why is there an extra syllable in there? Is the word actually spelled differently in the UK?
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#285008 - 02/08/2006 11:23
Re: English vs American
[Re: Dignan]
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Quote:
Quote: al-U-min-ium vs. al-oo-mi-num
Oh, sorry, that's another one that bothers me. Why is there an extra syllable in there? Is the word actually spelled differently in the UK?
Yes.
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#285009 - 02/08/2006 11:31
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[Re: Roger]
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Gotcha. Interesting read! Thanks!
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#285010 - 02/08/2006 11:49
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Quote: Haven't read the whole thread, but how about:
al-U-min-ium vs. al-oo-mi-num
Aren't there some other creative chemical name differences?
I've heard:
con-Trawversy (all run together) vs. con-Tro-vers-y common-Try vs. common-Tary
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#285011 - 02/08/2006 12:04
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[Re: Cybjorg]
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Registered: 25/04/2000
Posts: 1525
Loc: Arizona
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Australia has some that threw me the first time also:
Take Away = Carry Out
That was the biggest one I remember, but I don't remember hearing it in the UK.
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#285012 - 02/08/2006 12:05
Re: English vs American
[Re: Cybjorg]
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Quote: con-Trawversy (all run together) vs. con-Tro-vers-y
Mmm, good spot (though even people who say con-Trovver-sy say con-tro-Ver-shal). The one that seemed to cause the Austinites most amusement on our recent trip to the Sigmatel mothership was shed-yule vs. sked-yule.
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#285013 - 02/08/2006 12:49
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[Re: andy]
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Quote: The people in the UK who slag off US food
Hah! I believe the British are renowned the world around for their terrible cuisine. Not to say that there aren't good things to be eaten in the UK (heck, there's a US reality TV show starring Gordon Ramsay, so we apparently have to import Brits for food -- or maybe just vitriol) but it seems the majority of it is imported from other cuisines. You don't see much boiled meat on the menus of good restaurants.
Quote: I am always shocked by how salty the fast food and food in some diners is in the US.
I agree with you, actually. Most chain places seem to really oversalt food. I imagine that it's to cover up the freezer burn resulting from cross-country food shipments.
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#285014 - 02/08/2006 12:49
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Barf and vomit would be another (maybe). In 'Day of the Tentacle' I couldn't figure out what 'Fake barf' was for about 2 weeks. Maybe I was just an idiot I owe a lot to The Simpsons for teaching me a lot of Americanisms.
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#285015 - 02/08/2006 13:02
Re: English vs American
[Re: CrackersMcCheese]
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For the record, in case you didn't know, "barf" is very slightly off-color slang. No one would really be offended by it, but you wouldn't say it to the queen. "Vomit" is certainly a viable word, and the one you would use when talking to the queen. I can't imagine why you'd be talking to the queen about vomit, though.
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#285016 - 02/08/2006 13:06
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[Re: wfaulk]
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Registered: 27/02/2004
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Puke is cross cultural though isn't it?
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#285017 - 02/08/2006 13:22
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[Re: tahir]
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Yes
Another one
Enemy plane = Bogey bogey = booger
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#285018 - 02/08/2006 13:36
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[Re: furtive]
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"Way Out" vs. "Exit" on signs
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#285019 - 02/08/2006 13:53
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[Re: Mataglap]
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I heard an anecdote the other day...I have no idea if it's true or not.
Patton asked a Britsh general for a "shedule" (schedule).
The general, somewhat pleased, asked Patton where he had learned to say "shedule" properly. He quickly replied, "I learned it in shool."
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#285020 - 02/08/2006 13:54
Re: English vs American
[Re: Mataglap]
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snog = french kiss skip = dumpster
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#285021 - 02/08/2006 13:58
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pooh-bah
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I don't think I've used the word 'snog' after the age of 12! Its mostly kids that would use it (I think). I have no idea what I've call a french kiss nowadays :S
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#285022 - 02/08/2006 14:25
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Another confusing one for Americans: trying to figure out the difference between a barrister, a solicitor or an advocate.
We just have lawyers (although attorney, counselor, or more rarely advocate are all synonyms).
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#285024 - 02/08/2006 17:15
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Well, I didn't know another term beyond a desperately denotative one. Quote: Coach: Yeah, I saw them smooching in the parking lot. I was putting up a notice there on the bulletin board. Diane: With probing tongues? Coach: No Diane, with a thumb tack and my thumb.
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#285025 - 02/08/2006 17:22
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[Re: wfaulk]
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Quote:
Quote: Coach: Yeah, I saw them smooching in the parking lot. I was putting up a notice there on the bulletin board. Diane: With probing tongues? Coach: No Diane, with a thumb tack and my thumb.
You have inadvertently mentioned another few differences:
notice board = bulletin board drawing pin = thumb tack
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#285026 - 02/08/2006 17:33
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[Re: g_attrill]
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How about push pin?
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#285027 - 02/08/2006 17:39
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Don't think I came across push pin until I saw it in mapping software.
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#285028 - 02/08/2006 17:52
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Taps vs faucet? Or do you US guys have taps too?
Oh.... and;
Torch = Flashlight Rubbish = Trash (in terms of things that get thrown away)
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#285029 - 02/08/2006 18:06
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We have both taps and faucets. However, we also tap trees to get the sap out for maple syrup (the real kind).
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#285030 - 02/08/2006 18:10
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Well, we have "tap water", and I've heard people refer to a "tap" as the source of water (as in "get some water from the tap"), but I've never heard anyone call a faucet a tap. A tap would be the thing from which you get beer out of the keg.
We also have spigots, but that's usually an exterior-wall-mounted faucet. Occasionally you hear "sillcock" as another name for a spigot. I believe that it's the more technically correct term.
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#285031 - 02/08/2006 18:32
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Ha! Syncronicity: http://www.overheardintheoffice.com/archives/002582.htmlBritish employee: Well, this was supposed to be completed by now. It looks like it's gone all cock-up. American #1: What? British employee: I'm sorry, do you not have that phrase here? American #2: In America, you can't say cock like that. I shouldn't hear you say cock. American #1: We say fuck. Fucked up. British employee: Ok, how's this: Fuck off. 1 Corporate Drive Orangeburg, New York
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#285033 - 02/08/2006 23:10
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Sometimes words just don't register as anything but noise. I'm sure its not for the same reason but I'm finding more often, while watching Directv certain words just aren't understandable. Repeated replays don't seem to help.
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#285034 - 03/08/2006 02:08
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[Re: Cybjorg]
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jimjams = pajamas
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#285035 - 03/08/2006 02:42
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[Re: wfaulk]
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cheerio = ???
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#285036 - 03/08/2006 03:45
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OK, I have to tell one of my favorite jokes here...
An Englishman visits his cousin in America, and among the places they go is a cannery where they are putting string beans in cans. The Englishman comments to the foreman about how impressive the whole operation is, and the foreman responds, "Well, you know how it goes -- we eat what we can, and what we can't eat, we can."
The Englishman laughs, and says he has got to remember to tell that story to the folks back home.
Sure enough, he lands back at Heathrow, and the first thing he says to the welcoming party is, [imagine this with an English accent, please!] "I heard the cleverest anecdote over in America. It seems that... umm, let me think, yes, got it! It seems they eat what they can, and what they can't eat, they put up in tins."
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#285037 - 03/08/2006 06:37
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[Re: tanstaafl.]
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Clerks and cashiers in Britian greet customers with the phrase, "Can I help?", where in America, the phrase is, "Can I help you?"
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#285038 - 03/08/2006 13:06
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[Re: Cybjorg]
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roundabout = traffic circle
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#285039 - 03/08/2006 13:30
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Quote: cheerio = ???
toodle-pip?
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#285040 - 03/08/2006 16:19
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[Re: Roger]
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You have some strange ideas about what passes for American English, my friend.
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#285041 - 03/08/2006 16:36
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I'm sure there are about as many English people who say "cheerio" as there are Americans who say "tootle-pip"
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#285042 - 03/08/2006 16:42
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I only really brought it up because I heard it while watching BBC America last night. On "As Time Goes By", which seems less than farcical about that sort of thing.
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#285043 - 03/08/2006 20:07
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Quote: I'm sure there are about as many English people who say "cheerio" as there are Americans who say "tootle-pip"
(embarrassed) I say cheerio all the time. (And that's even without my going to the US, which always makes my language veer towards the stereotypically British: I start saying things such as "right-ho, chaps".)
I'd guess the nearest US equivalent to "cheerio" is "ciao".
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#285044 - 03/08/2006 22:28
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[Re: Mataglap]
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Registered: 06/04/2005
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Quote: British employee: Well, this was supposed to be completed by now. It looks like it's gone all cock-up. American #1: What?
Hmm- I've heard 'going tits up' for something dying.
'Give it some welly' = ~ work harder at it
'taking the mickey/mic/michael/piss out of someone' = ~ to make fun of
'bodge job' = 'jerry/jury rig' or 'mickey mouse' something
'Are you winning?' = ~ Is your work going well?
Hmm- I might have to mine the Two Wheels Only that I got for the flight home for more choice Brit idioms.
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#285045 - 03/08/2006 23:52
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Quote: I'd guess the nearest US equivalent to "cheerio" is "ciao".
Peter
Which of course is really Italian for "See-Ya Later".
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#285046 - 04/08/2006 15:23
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'bodge' is a good one!
'bespoke' vs. 'custom'
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#285047 - 06/08/2006 15:54
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[Re: peter]
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Another shibboleth to do with missing words is missing prepositions in US English: I've mainly seen this in cnn.com headlines, but people do it in speech too: "Let's do this Tuesday" rather than "Let's do this on Tuesday".
I always have to read such sentences at least twice. I often seem to consider the final word to be an adverb or noun and wonder exactly how people manage to "run Tuesday" or "announce Thursday".
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#285048 - 06/08/2006 16:03
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One that really bothers me is 'semi'
In the US its pronounced sem-eye, whereas we say sem-ee. For some reason it really gets on my nerves!
And 'missile'. Any time I hear an American say it, they pronounce it as miss-ill, whereas with us, its a miss-ile.
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#285049 - 06/08/2006 16:30
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Regarding toodle-pip: Quote: I only really brought it up because I heard it while watching BBC America last night. On "As Time Goes By", which seems less than farcical about that sort of thing.
I believe that toodle-pip is related to toodle-oo which I was once told resulted from British Soldiers in the First World War being unable to say "Tout a l'heure, alors". Oh, that's another one, it's "First World War" not "World War 1".
I've been caught out by the Day of the Tentacle barf and failing to successfully order water in California too. I caused a great deal of confusion at Comdex one year asking for the number of a stand before some helpful guy shouted from the back of the queue that "stand is British for booth".
The English "fillet" is such an old word (although originally from Latin via Old French according to wikipaedia) that I suspect that the French pronunciation in American restaurants was for effect and it stuck.
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#285050 - 06/08/2006 17:15
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[Re: mac]
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Quote: I believe that toodle-pip is related to toodle-oo which I was once told resulted from British Soldiers in the First World War being unable to say "Tout a l'heure, alors".
OED says "origin unknown" but the first citation is 1907 so that could be about right.
Quote: The English "fillet" is such an old word (although originally from Latin via Old French according to wikipaedia) that I suspect that the French pronunciation in American restaurants was for effect and it stuck.
On this one OED says that the spelling "fillet" supplanted "filet" (except as a French affectation, as which it never went away) during the 1600s, which of course is roughly when US English was forked. It's possible that US English always spelt it "filet", but originally pronounced it fillet, with the French pronunciation filtering down from pretentious restaurants to supplant the phonetic reading.
I'd been to the US several times before I realised that the restaurant chain "Chick-Fil-A" was intended to refer to chicken fillets, and not to chickenfilla, which had always sounded unpleasantly close to Polyfilla.
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#285052 - 07/08/2006 05:14
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[Re: peter]
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On this one OED says that the spelling "fillet" supplanted "filet" (except as a French affectation, as which it never went away) during the 1600s, which of course is roughly when US English was forked. It's possible that US English always spelt it "filet", but originally pronounced it fillet, with the French pronunciation filtering down from pretentious restaurants to supplant the phonetic reading.
Fair enough. It never sounds genuinely French the way I've heard it pronounced in American restaurants - the final syllable gets too much emphasis and goes on for too long.
So, how does an American say filleting or filleted? Is it fill-utt-ing (like it is in the UK) or fill-ay-ting?
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#285055 - 07/08/2006 11:04
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[Re: gbeer]
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Quote:
Quote: I'd guess the nearest US equivalent to "cheerio" is "ciao".
Peter
Which of course is really Italian for "See-Ya Later".
... and "hello" as well.
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#285056 - 07/08/2006 11:41
Re: English vs American
[Re: Dignan]
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banger race = demolition derby or at least it is close, I think
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#285057 - 07/08/2006 11:48
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Registered: 27/02/2004
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Quote: banger race = demolition derby
or at least it is close, I think
Thats the one, bugger me I'm going senile
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#285058 - 07/08/2006 12:30
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[Re: Mataglap]
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Registered: 16/04/2002
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Quote: Whilst vs. while
This is a difficult one, especially in a thread started by an American who had been recently in West Yorkshire: "While" to most of us means " during". In West Yorkshire, and particularly centred around Leeds, it means "until" as in: "He won't be back while 2'O'clock" Therefore logically if you put up a sign saying: "Do not cross the road while the lights are red" half the Leeds populus would get run over.
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#285059 - 07/08/2006 13:14
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Quote: Another shibboleth to do with missing words is missing prepositions in US English: I've mainly seen this in cnn.com headlines, but people do it in speech too: "Let's do this Tuesday" rather than "Let's do this on Tuesday".
How would you say "Let's do that this afternoon."? I can't think of any other way to say it that isn't terribly awkward, and surely both "this afternoon" and "Tuesday" are noun-phrases.
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#285060 - 07/08/2006 13:38
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Quote: How would you say "Let's do that this afternoon."? I can't think of any other way to say it that isn't terribly awkward, and surely both "this afternoon" and "Tuesday" are noun-phrases.
Hmm. You're right that there's an inconsistency there, but at least it's a consistent inconsistency: "We'll do it this month" / "We'll do it in September". And in "Let's do that today", "today" is just as much a noun as "Thursday". In US English, is using a preposition for "Tuesday" or "September" optional, or actually wrong?
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#285061 - 07/08/2006 14:13
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No, it's not wrong at all. Somehow without the preposition it seems more definite, almost as if "on Tuesday" implies "if we get around to it".
And no one would ever say "We'll do it September". You definitely need an "in" there.
Edited by wfaulk (07/08/2006 14:16)
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#285062 - 07/08/2006 16:54
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Quote: And no one would ever say "We'll do it September". You definitely need an "in" there.
I'm sure I've heard people say "We'll release this January", or "We'll release this first quarter", but I guess they might be unintentionally adopting headline-speak.
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#285063 - 07/08/2006 18:49
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I'm sure I've heard people say "We'll release this January", or "We'll release this first quarter", but I guess they might be unintentionally adopting headline-speak.
Plenty of the Americans on the development teams I have worked on use just those sorts of phrases all the time.
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#285064 - 08/08/2006 00:07
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Registered: 20/01/2002
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"We'll release this January" just sounds so wrong to me. "We'll release this first quarter" sounds perfectly fine. I have no idea why, that's just the way it is.
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#285065 - 08/08/2006 01:56
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[Re: wfaulk]
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Loc: Manteca, California
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Quote:
Quote: Another shibboleth to do with missing words is missing prepositions in US English: I've mainly seen this in cnn.com headlines, but people do it in speech too: "Let's do this Tuesday" rather than "Let's do this on Tuesday".
How would you say "Let's do that this afternoon."? I can't think of any other way to say it that isn't terribly awkward, and surely both "this afternoon" and "Tuesday" are noun-phrases.
Typically "Lets do that after lunch." or "Can it wait till this afternoon." or "Lets save that for this afternoon."
till = until (didn't even think about that until rereading what was written)
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#285066 - 08/08/2006 09:36
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Quote: ...half the Leeds populus would get run over.
And what would be wrong with that?
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#285068 - 08/08/2006 12:30
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[Re: Roger]
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Registered: 16/04/2002
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Quote: Quote:
Quote: ...half the Leeds populus would get run over.
And what would be wrong with that?
The other half wouldn't?
Speaking as a Kentish Man, as opposed to a Man of Kent, I've never had a problem with the folk of Leeds, not that I live in the immediate vicinity!
Just a minute though....an empegger from the other side of the pond and he didn't come for the traditional yorkshire hospitality from Cris (As much a Yorkshireman a I!) myself, Mrs. B and the Boxette, make sure you get in touch if you come again
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#285069 - 08/08/2006 12:50
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[Re: boxer]
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Quote: Speaking as a Kentish Man, as opposed to a Man of Kent, I've never had a problem with the folk of Leeds, not that I live in the immediate vicinity!
Nah, I was joking. And I'm a Man of Kent, so there
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#285071 - 08/08/2006 18:47
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Registered: 16/04/2002
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Quote: And I'm a Man of Kent, so there
Ah, I shall be that side of the river for the weekend in mid October, I'm sure that I'll get down more than a scoop or two of Shepherd Neame, the biggest thing that I miss about my youth!
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#285072 - 21/08/2006 03:54
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While watching The Secret Life of Machines, I stumbled multiple times across this one: Valves = Vacuum Tubes
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