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#289617 - 16/11/2006 02:22 Re: Extending short cubicle walls [Re: JeffS]
jimhogan
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Registered: 06/10/1999
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Loc: Seattle, WA, U.S.A.
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Best situation I ever had was a private office. It is horribly frustrating when I am deep in thought and some conversation (even work related) bursts out around me and I am distracted.

Amen to that, brother.

While I think that there are various cases to be made for "open plan" versus more private offices, it has been my observation over time that the interest in open plan is biased toward the interests of management to save money.

So, while I think there can be a case to be made for more open configurations, I am always a bit skeptical WRT motives.

I always remember a hard-charging ex-Marine telco manager in Portland: Nobody gets an office!!!!! Except me!!!

Oh, cruel world, if ever there is a degree of uncertainty, I would be pleased if you can err on the side of giving me an office. I am tired of that asshole's humming!
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#289618 - 16/11/2006 12:58 Re: Extending short cubicle walls [Re: jimhogan]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
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Loc: Raleigh, NC US
As has been pointed out, though, cubicles cost way more than drywall.
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#289619 - 16/11/2006 13:02 Re: Extending short cubicle walls [Re: wfaulk]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
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Loc: Canada
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As has been pointed out, though, cubicles cost way more than drywall.


Do they? After installation, wiring, finishing, meet building codes, etc.. ?

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#289620 - 16/11/2006 14:35 Re: Extending short cubicle walls [Re: mlord]
wfaulk
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Cubicles must also be wired and meet building codes. They just come "prefinished".
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#289621 - 16/11/2006 14:54 Re: Extending short cubicle walls [Re: wfaulk]
mlord
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Cubicles must also be wired and meet building codes. They just come "prefinished".

I know that. But the codes they must meet are often different ("temporary" versus "permanent" installations).

And that wasn't my question.

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#289622 - 16/11/2006 15:52 Re: Extending short cubicle walls [Re: mlord]
wfaulk
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When I see the budget that includes the cubicles, I'll let you know for certain.
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#289623 - 16/11/2006 19:44 Re: Extending short cubicle walls [Re: wfaulk]
lectric
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Registered: 20/01/2002
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Loc: New Orleans, LA
I always thought the cost savings came into the manner of cramming more people into less space, far less than to do with the actual building costs. Any office the size of a standard cubicle, to me, is a closet.

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#289624 - 16/11/2006 19:49 Re: Extending short cubicle walls [Re: lectric]
JeffS
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Registered: 14/01/2002
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Loc: Atlanta, GA
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Any office the size of a standard cubicle, to me, is a closet.
I'd honestly be happy enough working in a closet as long as I could close the door.
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#289625 - 16/11/2006 19:52 Re: Extending short cubicle walls [Re: JeffS]
wfaulk
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Ditto.
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#289626 - 16/11/2006 23:35 Re: Extending short cubicle walls [Re: wfaulk]
The Central Guy
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Registered: 18/03/2002
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Loc: San Diego, California USA
Pricing of cubicles has always been a mystery to me. We have Herman Miller products at my place, and while this information is several years old, here is how they worked the pricing:

List price for all the pieces and parts to build 1 cube: $20,000 (several years old pricing, probably different now)

Our corporate discount (At that time): 75%

Real price of each cube & parts: $5,000.

I still thought it was expensive. Not sure who would really spend the list price if for some reason they weren't eligible for any discounts...

Randy
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#289627 - 17/11/2006 01:36 Re: Extending short cubicle walls [Re: The Central Guy]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14491
Loc: Canada
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Real price of each cube & parts: $5,000.


Let me guess.. the cubicle size was 8x8' ? 64 square feet.
That's $78/square foot, finished and furnished.

Tough to beat with drywall and discrete furnishings, and the result would be a dark, windowless closet. I guess that's why it's popular with people who's job isn't to sit and design complex circuits or software for a living.

I left cubesville ten years ago. I ain't going back.

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#289628 - 17/11/2006 03:25 Re: Extending short cubicle walls [Re: mlord]
wfaulk
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I will point out that the people I'm working with design integrated circuits all day long.

Also, that cost isn't totally finished. Specifically, it does not include wiring, electrical, or flooring. It does include some of the wiring and electrical parts, but not the labor. It also includes the equivalent of drywall and paint and paint labor. There's bound to be a labor cost for physically assembling and installing the cubicles. It does include a desk and maybe a lamp and a small cabinet or two. It may or may not include a chair.
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#289629 - 17/11/2006 13:20 Re: Extending short cubicle walls [Re: JeffS]
maczrool
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Registered: 13/01/2002
Posts: 1649
Loc: Louisiana, USA
I've seen offices made from actual broom closets, complete with electrical mains shutoff on the wall- very cramped.

Stu
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#289630 - 24/11/2006 23:00 Re: Extending short cubicle walls [Re: wfaulk]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
Slashdot post about this same issue. Evidently you're not the only one who thinks cubes are a bad idea.

For the record, I agree.
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#289631 - 25/11/2006 20:15 Re: Extending short cubicle walls [Re: JBjorgen]
gbeer
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Registered: 17/12/2000
Posts: 2665
Loc: Manteca, California
The cost of the cubes can be justified in a number of ways and are one time charges. The ongoing cost of maintenance is usually assessed on a bucks/sqft basis. That charge never ends and has to be justified constantly.

Airlines represent this taken to ridiculous levels. Having squeezed space out of their aircraft so drastically that people just don't like to fly anymore.
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