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#296164 - 01/04/2007 02:19 Canon 30D w/28-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM
russmeister
enthusiast

Registered: 14/07/2002
Posts: 344
Loc: South Carolina
Best buy has the 30D packaged with the aforementioned lens and I'm wondering if it's a great deal. All of you guys who have a collection of SLR cameras and lenses help me out.

I'm actually wanting to compare the Canon 30D to the Nikon D200 and I can't quite make my decision. It seems that the Canons have the upper hand when it comes to high ISO images and the Nikons tend to have better software with more available features with a click of a button. There are, obviously, more advantages/disadvantages to each. I'm hoping some of you guys can steer me in the right direction.

So my questions are as follows:

1. Is the Best Buy package a great deal?

2.When comparing the 30D to the D200, which one should I buy?

3.What lenses do I want in my bag? I have read some reviews about the Canon 24-105mm f/4L IS USM lens and it seems that the "L" series lenses are the way to go. This is also a very large dent in the wallet!

4.Who has the better lenses? Canon or Nikon? Is there really an answer to this question?

I currently have a Canon Rebel 300D with the kit lens and a 70-300mm telephoto lens. I'm looking to make an upgrade and start working on photography a little more. I take a good bit of sports shots as well as landscape and still photo shots so I don't think there is a specialization that I would have. It's more of a variety of photography for me. I don't know much about photography just yet and I'm starting to learn more and more.

Any advice is greatly appreciated!!
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Russ
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#296165 - 01/04/2007 03:47 Re: Canon 30D w/28-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM [Re: russmeister]
MarkM
stranger

Registered: 11/12/2000
Posts: 105
Loc: Seattle, WA USA
That seems like a really good deal to me. The lens alone is probably around $400 new.

I have been happy with the Canon line. I've owned a Pro 70, D30, D60, 10D, 1DS, and 1D Mk II and a variety of lenses.

Many of my friends own Nikon and are happy. When I review their pictures, I always find dust spots. While this can be a problem with any digital SLR, I don't see this as much with Canon bodies (excluding the 1DS).

I have owned the 28-135mm lens twice. Both copies were excellent, dead on focus and sharp. I could easily hand hold this lens with IS down to 1/10th of a second. The lens is pretty slow for indoor shooting without a flash, but is a great outdoor lens for people and an all around great lens for landscape and nature photography.

I shoot as much as I can without a flash, so low noise at higher ISO settings is important to me.

I think you'd be happy with this 30D package.

Mark

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#296166 - 01/04/2007 04:37 Re: Canon 30D w/28-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM [Re: russmeister]
matthew_k
pooh-bah

Registered: 12/02/2002
Posts: 2298
Loc: Berkeley, California
I'm also a canon fan, however, I wouldn't really jump on that deal. Spend some time checking out the XTi. The 30D has been out a while, and it wasn't much of an upgrade from the 20D in the first place. The rebel series has improved dramatically since the 300D, the only thing I miss on mine is the rear control dial, but that certainly isn't worth the $500.

As to the lens, I've never used the 28-135, but I've used the 28-105 f3.5-4.5, and the 17-85 EFS, and the 17-85 is really a great walk around lens. I use the 17-28 range far more than I used the 85-105 range. The IS is supposedly better on the 17-85 also, and I'd certainly vouch for it being useful.

If I were you, I'd splurge on the XTi and the 17-55mm f2.8 IS lens, that's an amazing piece of glass. Only two hundred more than you're looking at with the 30D+28-135, and a much more versatile lens when it comes to low light situations. The lens will be worth far more than a 30D in a year.

As to the Canon vs. Nikon debate, it's not one I pay attention to anymore. Back when I picked a system, canon was usually ahead on the R&D front, slightly less expensive, and they had more options when it came to current lenses. Since then, I haven't looked back, as Nikon would have to be extremely compelling to switch systems.

Matthew

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#296167 - 01/04/2007 13:47 Re: Canon 30D w/28-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM [Re: russmeister]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
Quote:
Best buy has the 30D packaged with the aforementioned lens and I'm wondering if it's a great deal.


That lens is a poor match for Canon's 1.6X sensor DSLRS. It's really a nice 35mm film lens, but on the 30D it becomes a 45mm (instead of 28mm) on the short end, which is not wide enough for most uses.

A far better match is the 17-85mm lens, which on this camera gives the same field of view as the 28-135mm does for film/FF.

-ml

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#296168 - 01/04/2007 13:52 Re: Canon 30D w/28-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM [Re: russmeister]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
Quote:
I can't quite make my decision. It seems that the Canons have the upper hand when it comes to high ISO images and the Nikons tend to have better software with more available features with a click of a button.


That's actually a pretty good summary of it. Here's a shorter form of it: Canon has much superior high-ISO, and Nikon has much superior everything else.

Canon is generally cheaper to buy, and has more lenses available for it. Nikon has vastly superior flash (lighting), weather seals, and tends to improve cameras with firmware updates (unheard of at Canon).

Like fellow #2 Avis, Nikon tries harder, because they have to.

I'm a Canon user, for the lenses.

Cheers

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#296169 - 01/04/2007 15:00 Re: Canon 30D w/28-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM [Re: mlord]
MarkM
stranger

Registered: 11/12/2000
Posts: 105
Loc: Seattle, WA USA
I keep forgetting about the 1.6x on the 10D\20D\30D. When I owned my 10D, my favorite lens was 17-35mm, then the 28-135mm.

Have you held both a Nikon and Canon? The feel, weight, controls, and viewfinder are things to consider.

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#296170 - 01/04/2007 15:25 Re: Canon 30D w/28-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM [Re: MarkM]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
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I keep forgetting about the 1.6x on the 10D\20D\30D. When I owned my 10D, my favorite lens was 17-35mm, then the 28-135mm.

Have you held both a Nikon and Canon? The feel, weight, controls, and viewfinder are things to consider.


Oh yes, and the Nikons win on pretty much all points, with allowances for different hand sizes among users.

I've been a photographer for over 30 years now, and went 100% digital in 1998. I'm currently using a 20D, with an assortment of nine Canon EF lenses at present.

I did own/use the 28-135 back with my old D60, but never really liked it on the short end. The EF24-85mm was a much better lens for that camera. The newer 17-85 is tailor made for the 1.6X series, and has much more effective IS.

When I first decided on Canon, Nikon wasn't even a serious player in DSLRs and suitable lenses. Now they are, but I'm kinda locked-in to Canon at this point on the lens side.

Cheers

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#296171 - 01/04/2007 15:59 Re: Canon 30D w/28-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM [Re: mlord]
MarkM
stranger

Registered: 11/12/2000
Posts: 105
Loc: Seattle, WA USA
Mark

If you ever get a chance. Try out a 1 series body from Canon - it's a totally different animal. Even though they are beasts to carry, they are amazing and fun. I'm really tempted to trade my 1D Mk II for a Mk III - the higher ISO and lens focus tweaking being the main features.

I too have a lot of money into lenses, but I have trimmed my collection a lot. I'm still kicking myself for selling my 200mm 1.8. The price has gone up $1000 since I sold it. The lenses on my wishlist now are the 50mm 1.0 and 85mm 1.2.

On a side note - I do like the sound of the Nikon shutter. It's very quiet.

This software is my favorite for processing RAW images http://www.photo-freeware.net/raw-shooter-essentials.php

Adobe bought Pixmantec and turned the software into Adobe Lightroom - which is decent, but I don't like it as much. RAW Shooter has amazing noise reduction and sharpening processing.

Take care...

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#296172 - 01/04/2007 16:14 Re: Canon 30D w/28-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM [Re: MarkM]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
Quote:
Mark

If you ever get a chance. Try out a 1 series body from Canon - it's a totally different animal. Even though they are beasts to carry, they are amazing and fun. I'm really tempted to trade my 1D Mk II for a Mk III - the higher ISO and lens focus tweaking being the main features.


Yes, I like the new 1DMkIII quite a bit. The previous editions were just too heavy, but they do seem to have shaved quite a bit of weight (and upgraded to modern batteries..) with the newer one.

I used the D60 with the add-on grip and liked it a lot, but have not missed the bulk since getting the 20D (w/no grip).

My ideal (Canon) camera would be a 5D with proper body seals and a pop-up fill flash. As soon as they offer it, I'm in for one.
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This software is my favorite for processing RAW images http://www.photo-freeware.net/raw-shooter-essentials.php


Thanks. I'll pass that link along to a couple of Windows users I know who have been asking for recommendations like that. I work 99% on Linux systems here, and use workflow chains built around dcraw (which is what nearly all of these guys started with) and netpbm etc..

There is exactly one MS box here, with CS1 on it for doing prints. I made the mistake of getting a Canon photo printer, only to discover too late that they are the only major brand with no Linux support worth mentioning.. And The Gimp doesn't really measure up to PS yet. That same box also serves for DVD ripping, so it's not a total waste.

Cheers

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#296173 - 01/04/2007 17:24 Re: Canon 30D w/28-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM [Re: mlord]
MarkM
stranger

Registered: 11/12/2000
Posts: 105
Loc: Seattle, WA USA
A friend of mine bought a 5D. It felt really cheap, but it focused fast and took good pictures. I had the full frame 1DS and didn't like it. The white balance sucked, ISO noise even at 800 was pretty bad, and I had to clean the sensor almost every outing. The Mk III sensor cleaning is one more selling feature if it actually works.

I must admit, GIMP is really rough on the usability side.

Printers are so frustrating if you're not on Windows. My wife runs a Mac and support on OS X is pretty poor for a lot of brands. She also kills printers on a frequent basis. I finally just bought her a used HP color laser about the size of a dorm fridge. The lights dim when it starts up, but she hasn't broken it yet.

I'll check out the dcraw project. Sounds interesting.

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#296174 - 01/04/2007 17:57 Re: Canon 30D w/28-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM [Re: MarkM]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14484
Loc: Canada
Quote:

Printers are so frustrating if you're not on Windows.


Well, on Linux the two big brands, HP and Epson, have excellent drivers and support. Canon is missing from this picture, probably because they're too big to care.

Cheers

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