Oh yeah, that's right.....

Well, you assume that's the way it works, but you don't know.

Man, all these spoiler tags are wreaking havoc. I tried responding three times, and each time it replaced my post with yours again. Anyway:

Spoiler:
V qba'g guvax gung'f gur pnfr, ohg vg qrcraqf ba jung cbjre lbh guvax Flyne vf hfvat gb zvzvp Anguna. V guvax jr'er fhccbfrq gb nffhzr gung vg'f Zvffl'f punenpgre'f cbjre, ohg fvapr fur'f nyvir va cerfrag qnl...

Gung znxrf zr oryvrir gung ng fbzr cbvag, Flyne jvcrq bhg gur pbzcnal naq fgbyr gur cbjref bs rirelbar jbexvat sbe vg.

Spoiler:
Nu, gung'f n tbbq cbvag. Gung jbhyq yrnir zl nygreangr bcgvba gung Flyne ercynprq Anguna qhevat gur pbhefr bs gur rcvfbqr.

I've found that you can't have two spoiler tags in the same post for some reason. It replaces the text of the second one with the text of the first.

Spoiler:
V whfg jnagrq gb puvzr va ba gur jubyr "vf Crgre ernyyl erfcbafvoyr sbe gur obzo" guvat. VZB, lrf, ur pregnvayl vf. Ohg V guvax gur erny ceboyrz jvgu nal qrongr ba gur fhowrpg vf gung jr qba'g xabj jul gurer'f na rkcybfvba. Nyy jr'ir frra fb sne vf Crgre'f qernzf gung ur'f oybjvat hc sbe ab fcrpvsvp ernfba. Ohg gubfr qernzf pna'g rira or npphengr, orpnhfr gurer ner crbcyr va vg jub jrer fgvyy nyvir va gur shgher rcvfbqr.

Jr jrer yrq gb oryvrir, ng svefg, gung Crgre rkcybqrf orpnhfr ur pna'g pbageby uvf cbjref naq ur fbzrubj bireybnqf (ol gur jnl, vfa'g guvf fbzrguvat gung unccrarq gb Ebthr ng bar cbvag?). Gur ceboyrz jvgu gung vf gung jr'ir frra gung Crgre pna qrsvavgryl pbageby uvf cbjref, ng yrnfg gb fbzr qrterr. Ng gur irel yrnfg, ur xabjf ubj gb syl, naq pbhyq fvzcyl syl bss vagb gur ngzbfcurer be gb n qrfbyngr nern bs gur pbhagel vafgrnq bs gur zvqqyr bs ALP.

This is one of the funniest looking threads I've seen on this board.

These spoiler tags can be a mess, too...

It was somewhat obvious that...

Spoiler:


Flyne unq ercynprq Anguna ng fbzr cbvag va gur cnfg, cevbe gb gur shgher rcvfbqr. Flyne nyfb zragvbaf fcrpvsvpnyyl gung ur bognvarq gur zbecuvat/qvfthvfr cbjref sebz "Pnaqvpr," gur punenpgre cynlrq ol Zvffl Crertelz - fur'f qrnq va gur shgher rcvfbqr, nyvir va gur "cerfrag qnl" rcvfbqrf.

Jurgure be abg Flyne xvyyf Anguna orsber be nsgre gur obzo/rkcybfvba vf haxabja, ohg jnf cebonoyl vagraqrq gb or gung jnl. Gur fgbel pna jbex rvgure jnl. Crgre xabjf Flyne qvqa'g qvr, ohg ur nyfb qbrfa'g xabj Anguna jnf xvyyrq. Crgre zragvbaf gung ur naq Anguna xabjvatyl pbirerq hc gur snpg vg jnf uvz jub rkcybqrq, ohg guvf fgvyy qbrfa'g gryy hf vs vg jnf "uvz" ng gung cbvag (va gur cnfg) be Flyne.

V'z abg rira fher vg znggref jub oybjf hc, gur zbfg vzcbegnag (vagrerfgvat naljnl) qrirybczrag vf fher gb or JUL. V'z cerggl pbasvqrag gung gur fubj jvyy jenc gur rkcybqvat zna guernq va gur ynfg rcvfbqr be svefg rcvfbqr bs frnfba 2. Vg'f n svefg-frnfba cybg yvar.



Anyway, great episode and the couple of small items I mentioned at first are still my only concerns.

I see that if I attempt to edit the previous post it puts a lot of those garbage tags into my text, so I'll just add one correction here.

When I wrote "him" in the first paragraph (which appears in quotes) I meant Nathan.

I can't remember the last time I've ever participated in a thread about a running plot in a TV show. Maybe never in this fashion. I've seen threads that border on losing a grip with one's reality on network TV forums though. Glad this isn't exactly that fanatical. When I discuss TV it's usually from artistic and/or technical perspectives. I'm not one to immerse myself in the fictionalized world of the characters.

That's the same way I draw my opinion of any movie or TV show. I view the product as a work of art that takes both an enormous amount of creative and technical talent on many fronts to accomplish. Maybe it's somewhat a systematic approach, but it just comes so natural that it's not something I have to use a check-list for. It's also why I feel Heroes is the "best" program on prime-time TV today.

Tonight's Heroes was pretty good. Only one nit-pick:

Spoiler:
Ng gur ortvaavat bs gur rcvfbqr, jura Flyne pnyyf Zbuvaqre, Flyne gryyf Zbuvaqre gung ur pna urne uvz qvnyvat 911. Jul ba rnegu jbhyq Zbuvaqre qvny 911?

Naljnl, V qb jbaqre jul Uveb'f cbjre qvqa'g jbex ba Flyne. Vg nccrnerq gb ng svefg, ohg gura qvqa'g. Vg'f n yvggyr hasnve gb gur ivrjvat nhqvrapr vs gur jevgref pna znxr hc n cbjre gung jr unira'g frra Flyne fgrny whfg gb trg uvz bhg bs n pbeare. Gung'f n ovg bs n purng. Ng yrnfg gurl'ir xrcg fbzr pbagvahvgl, va gung jr fnj uvz hfvat vpr va gur shgher, naq gung'f jung jr fnj uvz hfr sbe gung fabj tybor sbe Nhqerl.

Sylar doesn't know everything we know from having watched all the previous episodes (obviously). He's been out of the loop all things considered.

Spoiler:


Fvapr ur whfg cvpxrq hc Vfnnp'f novyvgvrf, ur pna abj frr gung AL trgf qrfgeblrq. Ur'f cnvagrq uvzfrys arkg gb Grq (ze raretl) naq qhr gb uvf bja terrq hc gb guvf cbvag, nffhzrf vg jvyy or uvz jub jvyy or erfcbafvoyr sbe gur rkcybfvba. Vfnnp nyfb zragvbarq gung ur jbhyq or fgbccrq/xvyyrq ohg qvqa'g fnl ubj.

Sbe Zngg, lbh zvfhaqrefgbbq Tyraa'f cbfg. Ur qvqa'g zna gb vzcyl "gvzryvar" nf va gur shgher rcvfbqr jr fnj. Ur whfg zrnag gung vg'f n cbffvovyvgl Flyne jnf pbafpvbhf jvguva Uveb'f sebmra vafgnapr bs gvzr (yvxr Crgre va gur rcvfbqr shgher Uveb ivfvgf uvz va gur fhojnl).

V jvyy unir gb ercynl gung cneg bs gur rcvfbqr, ohg V whfg nffhzrq gung Flyne fbzrubj fanccrq gvzr onpx vagb zbgvba. Qba'g xabj vs guvf jnf qhr gb Uveb'f jnirevat, fbzr fcrpvny Flyne novyvgl be whfggur havirefr fnlvat "Ubyq ba abj! Lbh'er abg qbvat guvf ng gur evtug gvzr, Uveb."

V qvq svaq vg vagrerfgvat gung gur cerfvqragvny frrq unf orra cynagrq va Flyne'f zvaq. Avpr jnl gb gvr onpx gb gur shgher rcvfbqr.

Flyne svefg hfrq gur serrmvat novyvgl va bar bs gur nggebpvbhfyl jevggra jro pbzvpf. V'ir ernq n srj ohg V whwfg pna'g gbegher zlfrys jvgu gurz - gurl'er gung cnvashy gb ernq.

Fbzrguvat irel vagrerfgvat sebz guvf rcvfbqr vf Pnaqvpr'f novyvgl gb abg bayl punatr ure bja nccrnenapr, ohg gb cebwrpg na ragver raivebazrag gb ure gnetrgf. V fhccbfr guvf jnf uvagrq va gur rcvfbqr jurer fur nccrnerq nf Vfnnp'f tveysevraq juvyr uvqvat gur erny pbecfr sebz gur cbyvpr, ohg V nyjnlf whfg nffhzrq Fvzbar'f pbecfr jnf whfg bhg bs ivrj.

Spoiler:
Vg jnfa'g whfg Flyne gung fanccrq onpx vagb zbgvba. Vg qrsvavgryl frrzrq gb zr gung Uveb'f fgbc-gvzr novyvgl jnf vagreehcgrq, naq rirelguvat fgnegrq zbivat ntnva. V'z abg fher ubj gung unccrarq. Jura Uveb ivfvgrq Crgre ba gur fhojnl, V guvax jr'er fhccbfrq gb nffhzr gung "Shgher Uveb" checbfrshyyl fgbccrq rirelbar ohg Crgre. V pna'g vzntvar jul "Cerfrag Uveb" jbhyq jnag gb serrmr rirelguvat ohg Flyne, fb V qba'g guvax gung'f gur fnzr guvat.

We should really just start talking without spoilers. If people haven't seen the week's episode yet, they don't need to read the thread. Or we could start a new thread, considering this one has gotten off subject

I think a new thread would make sense.

I started a new thread just a minute ago...

Now we can go back to how (network) TV currently sucks...

24 just gets more and more insane with every episode. That show knows no limits to poor writing, continuity, time lapse and of course with some performances so bad they deserve special award recognition (even the Razzies are too good for them).

I'm also upset to see NBC back to its old tricks of shifting schedules around such that shows don't end or start on the hour. Along with advertising "more after the break" only to show nothing but credits after the last commercial. Some 30 minute programs have also been cut down beyond their normal lengths with seemingly endless streams of commercials.

Season 3 was okay, but I think that's the end of it. I liked season 2 the best, except for the Kim subplot. I believe that if you separated that subplot from the show, it would be the worst story ever put on TV. By the time she was facing off against a mountain lion, it was really approaching the realm of comedy.

Maybe somebody needs to do something analogous to the Phantom Edit for 24. I'll bet you could knock the full season down to six hours or so and it would probably work much better.

(Now I just need to watch the latest episode of Heroes so I can go over to the other thread...)

I'm watching it because I put in enough time to start the thing off I'm determined to follow through even if it stinks to high hell. I wouldn't feel right about making comments with regards to its crapitude unless I had some experience with said stink-fest.

24 could easily be saved at the start of any given season. They already throw out all but bits of previous seasons. They need to:

1. move the story line out of LA. - perhaps move it outside the US (i'd love a season set at least partially on foreign soil)
2. drop CTU from the whole season
3. include Keifer's Jack Bauer character in the majority of scenes (right now it's like he's in a supporting role only)
4. get rid of all the sub-stories. We need only 1 good story with a little side action at most.
5. fire all the current people responsible for writing dialogue.
6. don't ever (not ever again) let Powers Booth in front of a camera.
7. drop the 5 minute recap at the start of each episode - it eats too much air time.
8. scale down the threat level - not every season needs to be about saving the whole country/world.
9. start paying attention to the original real-time concept again (currently it's out the window).
10. stop using the phrase "within the hour"

I finally got around to watching the 4/30 and the 5/7 episodes of Heroes last night, and they affirmed my previously unacted-upon decision to remove the show from my Tivo's Season Pass collection.

I'm not saying that it isn't a good show, it just isn't a good show for me.

I have seen every single episode, but I don't sit there taking notes, researching plot developments and scenarios on the internet, and studying intently every nuance of character and dialog. Frequently I am doing other things at the same time I watch the show.

As a result, I have only the vaguest idea of what the hell is going on with the show! I mean, there must be close to a dozen different storylines to follow, with bunches of characters who are similar enough in appearance they are difficult for me to tell apart. I guess some of them can masquerade as others.

I don't want to work that hard in order to watch a TV show!

tanstaafl.

That's weird. The only characters I think are difficult to tell apart at first are DL and the Hatian, but I got them straight within an episode or two.

Doug has stated about how he hates to actually think about a TV show many times in the past. Personally, I find it that much more rewarding than being told some simple story, but he finds it frustrating.