#297996 - 06/05/2007 00:28
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I have not seen Spiderman 1 or 2, so I figure I have to skip #3 for consistency's sake. I guess I am glad they made it, though, as it is the only thing that allowed Bob Mondello to compose the following review, which I found quite amusing (better to listen than read, I thought): http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9948266So, my general question would be: Other than "Aliens", what movie sequels have ever equaled or exceeded the original movie?
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#297997 - 06/05/2007 01:36
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I'm with you in having never seen any of them but my spiderfan friend says #3 is the best one so far.
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#297998 - 06/05/2007 02:35
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I'm with you in having never seen any of them but my spiderfan friend says #3 is the best one so far.
I've seen the first two, and IMHO that wouldn't be difficult.
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#297999 - 06/05/2007 02:39
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Other than "Aliens", what movie sequels have ever equaled or exceeded the original movie?
Wrath of Khan gets my vote!
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#298000 - 06/05/2007 05:47
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Wrath of Khan gets my vote!
What? The Search for Spock didn't get you?
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#298001 - 06/05/2007 11:42
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So, my general question would be:
Other than "Aliens", what movie sequels have ever equaled or exceeded the original movie?
Two that come to mind (and of course, even these are debatable) are:
Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
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#298002 - 06/05/2007 16:59
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A Better Tomorrow II (and, arguably, III).
A big part of me feels like I enjoyed Underworld Evolution more than the original film, but I still can't make up my mind about it. I'm really looking forward to seeing 28 Weeks Later, though.
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#298003 - 06/05/2007 18:32
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Other than "Aliens", what movie sequels have ever equaled or exceeded the original movie?
Batman Begins
Two Towers
Empire Strikes Back
Hmmm.... good question...
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#298004 - 07/05/2007 00:08
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But 28 Weeks Later doesn't have Danny Boyle directing and wasn't written by Alex Garland. I won't hold my breath, but I *will* watch it. I have a fondness for zombie-type movies. I've seen so many in the past few years I find it actually surprising. I'll also be checking out Day of the Dead when that comes out (a remake of the original sequel, not itself a sequel to the remake of the original - hope you got that). And of course the next Resident Evil movie. Empire is definitely better than the original Star Wars. Without question. I believe you'll find a majority of fans agree. There are a few other sequels I've thought were better that the originals, but I'm too tired to remember what they are right now. 
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#298005 - 07/05/2007 00:39
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Other than "Aliens", what movie sequels have ever equaled or exceeded the original movie?
I debate the premise of your post. Alien was a far better movie than Aliens.
However, going with the intent, many people feel The Godfather Part II was at least as good as The Godfather. Personally, I never cared that much for either one.
The Empire Strikes Back was better than Star Wars, though both were far better than Return of the Jedi.
Evil Dead 2 was better than The Evil Dead, IMO, although it's certainly debatable. This one is more than relevant, considering that they were directed by the same person as the Spider-Man films.
The second of the Jason Bourne movies of late, the ones with Matt Damon, was about as good as the first, and both were good.
A Shot in the Dark is far better than The Pink Panther.
I'm sure you can name any number of Bond films that were better than Dr. No. Many far worse, too.
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#298006 - 07/05/2007 00:43
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Empire Strikes Back
Agreed. Still have no idea why I like this middle child.
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Two Towers
No way. "Fellowship of the Ring" was such a colorful pallet, containing every texture of fantasy film that I can think of. "Two Towers" (and "Return of the King", in a way) seemed so monotone. Battle, dark, mud, battle; repeat.
Terminator 2 (though I never saw the first)
How about most amazingly drastically WORST sequel of a movie:
Mission Impossible 2 - hands down the worst big budget film ever created. I could go on for hours about how it cowers in comparison to the original.
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#298007 - 07/05/2007 00:59
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I suppose these are probably spoilers. Most of this stuff is in the trailers, I think, but just in case....
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#298008 - 07/05/2007 01:00
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Mission Impossible 2 - hands down the worst big budget film ever created. I could go on for hours about how it cowers in comparison to the original.
Wow. That says a lot, considering that the first one was a gigantic turd on film.
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#298009 - 07/05/2007 01:03
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Terminator 2 (though I never saw the first)
How can you say that the one you saw was better than the one you didn't see? Personally, I think you're totally wrong.
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#298010 - 07/05/2007 01:15
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Terminator 2 (though I never saw the first)
::shrug:: I thought T2 was a very well done film. It is still impressive for its age. Yes, I should see the original.
Yes, MI2 is "Just That Bad".
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#298011 - 07/05/2007 01:50
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Mission Impossible 2 - hands down the worst big budget film ever created.
Woah woah woah! Did you see Armageddon?
Better sequels. Hmm. Most of the ones I'd say have been posted.
Empire Strikes Back
Godfather Part II
Spiderman 2 (although I hated the first one, so it had nowhere to go but up)
Evil Dead 2
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X-Men 2
Blade 2
I wanted to comment on some others that were mentioned:
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The second of the Jason Bourne movies of late, the ones with Matt Damon, was about as good as the first, and both were good.
Agreed, they seem to excellently done. I can't wait for the third, because I'm sure it'll be just as good as the others. I don't care if it's better or not, I just want to see it. Have you seen the trailer? Spoiler:
"V erzrzore...rirelguvat."
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Batman Begins
Sorry, I don't consider this a sequel (or prequel) in any way. It has absolutely nothing to do with any other Batman film and stands on its own. We'll have to see whether or not The Dark Knight tops it. I think that depends on whether Mr Ledger can pass as the Joker (a big task).
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Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
Really? Better than Raiders? I won't argue about the second movie, though.
Edited by Dignan (07/05/2007 01:51)
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#298012 - 07/05/2007 02:16
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Empire Strikes Back
Agreed. Still have no idea why I like this middle child.
Because it's the one that Lucas didn't write or direct.
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#298013 - 07/05/2007 02:19
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Empire Strikes Back
Agreed. Still have no idea why I like this middle child.
Because it's the one that Lucas didn't write or direct.
He also didn't write the screenplay nor did he direct Return of the Jedi.
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#298014 - 07/05/2007 02:23
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... and it didn't have Ewoks.
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#298015 - 07/05/2007 03:09
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At least it didn't have jar-jar... The ewoks were bad, but jar-jar was a travesty.
Anyway, Ocean's Twelve was as good or better than Ocean's Eleven, IMHO.
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#298016 - 07/05/2007 03:14
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Other than "Aliens", what movie sequels have ever equaled or exceeded the original movie?
I debate the premise of your post. Alien was a far better movie than Aliens.
Oh, goodie. I was hoping somebody wouldn't let that slide!
I suppose I should also have modified my question to to stipulate that the original movie had to be very good. I would not be very impressed by a sequel that improved on a crummy original.
I cherish both Alien and Aliens. I can see where you might judge the former to be superior. What pleases me, though, is that they are very different movies with the same core (Ripley); trying to make Alien 2 along the same lines as the original would have failed. The effect is lost after the first viewing, but I have a hard time thinking of a more exciting moment in cinema than a certain appearance of Lance Henriksen in Aliens. If this somehow reveals me to be a sucker for formulaic adventure flicks, I guess I'll plead guilty.
Oh, and "Get away from her you bitch!"
Killer.
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#298017 - 07/05/2007 05:08
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Other than "Aliens", what movie sequels have ever equaled or exceeded the original movie?
Terminator 2
The dream sequence in the playground...
tanstaafl.
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#298018 - 07/05/2007 05:10
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Other than "Aliens", what movie sequels have ever equaled or exceeded the original movie?
Terminator 2.
The dream sequence in the playground...
tanstaafl.
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#298019 - 07/05/2007 15:00
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Other than "Aliens", what movie sequels have ever equaled or exceeded the original movie?
Mad Max / Road Warrior (Beyond Thunderdome = meh, MM4 = nevasawit)
Godzilla (originals- all sequels equal the crap of the first)
Indiana Jones movies were all good, but I'm not sure if you really want to call them anything other than a trilogy (ie: not a series of original, sequel 1, sequel 2).
In my 'try as they might' section:
None of the Cannonball series tops Gumball Rally, although C1 was a fun romp.
Highlander- there can be only one... shoulda taken those words to heart.
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#298020 - 07/05/2007 15:47
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Spectacularly bad sequels:
Caddyshack 2
Meaballs 2
-Zeke
edit: Cool, this is post 111111 in O/T.
Edited by Ezekiel (07/05/2007 15:48)
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#298021 - 07/05/2007 19:18
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Highlander- there can be only one... shoulda taken those words to heart.
If ever there was a Worst Sequel Ever, it would have to be Highlander 2: The Quickening. Oh my that sucked in a spectacular fashion.
Maybe I'm just weird, but I still think the original Star Wars was the best of all six films. It's one of the few films I can happily watch again and again. And, pretty much any Star Trek film is better than the original one, although I broadly subscribe to the even-numbered theory. (Khan!!!)
Meanwhile, I suppose there's another category we're missing: Thank heavens they didn't try to make a sequel to:
- The Princess Bride (where on earth do you take it from there?)
- The various and sundry Pixar films
- Blade Runner & most other decent sci-fi films (can you imagine Abyss 2?)
Some ideas are best unsullied with any attempt at sequelization.
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#298023 - 07/05/2007 20:19
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I actually really liked Toy Story 2. It found a key element that made TS1 so fun (Buzz having to deal with the fact that he's a toy rather than a real space hero), and allowed the same character arc to happen again in the sequel (another buzz gets unboxed).
I was hoping they'd do the same with MIB2. MIB1 had Will Smith having to come to terms with the fact that aliens were real, and they were able to do the same thing in MIB2 by having Tommy Lee Jones' memory erased. While that part of it was fun, other aspects of the sequel made it less fun than the first one.
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#298024 - 07/05/2007 20:25
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I was hoping they'd do the same with MIB2. MIB1 had Will Smith having to come to terms with the fact that aliens were real, and they were able to do the same thing in MIB2 by having Tommy Lee Jones' memory erased.
I don't remember that happening at all. Probably blinded by all the Burger King ads though to really pay attention.
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#298025 - 07/05/2007 20:33
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Good sequels? I liked Mallrats, Chasing Amy and Dogma equally, I thought they were as good if not better than Clerks. Quote:
Spectacularly bad sequels
The Crow sequels were horrid.
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