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#298883 - 28/10/2007 22:06 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: drakino]
dewdman42
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Registered: 13/09/2000
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Ok, getting ready to try v3 again. I

I understand I need to install the developer build so that I can rebuild the database via the serial port. Fine so far. One question though, I assume that if I connect with Jemplode and change the playlists, add some MP3's, remove some MP3's, etc...will I need to manual rebuild the DB every time or is the database somehow writable when doing a sync operation?

Is Jemplode or Emplode prefable for working with V3 in general?

'm mainly interested in the possibility that the sound quality may be improved, not that its bad now or anything. I've always felt the D/A on my Empeg does not sound quite as good as when I play the same MP3 on my PC(using same speakers). I felt a need to boost a bit the mid-bass and upper-mid. Might be that some of the top end is also a bit filtered. (I encode all my MP3's with lame -k).

Anyway, perhaps its the decoder in Empegv2, so its worth a try on v3. Wish me luck.

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#298884 - 28/10/2007 23:04 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: dewdman42]
Attack
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Is Jemplode or Emplode prefable for working with V3 in general?


I use Jemplode to sync audio to my empeg running v3 alpha 11 Japanese Edition. I never had to rebuild the database of the empeg by hand. I just deleted all my mp3's since I use ogg and flac instead of mp3's.
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#298885 - 29/10/2007 10:42 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: dewdman42]
JBjorgen
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I agree that JEmplode is best for V3. Just remember to close and re-open it in between syncs if you are doing multiples and you should be good.
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#298886 - 29/10/2007 10:56 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: JBjorgen]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
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Loc: Cambridge, England
Really someone should just port kernel 2.6.20 to this thing and make it do mass-storage gadget on hda4 and hdc4...

Peter

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#298887 - 29/10/2007 11:07 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: peter]
mlord
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Really someone should just port kernel 2.6.20 to this thing and make it do mass-storage gadget on hda4 and hdc4...


Yeah, if it were still 2002, then that's what I'd be working on now (time paradoxes permitting).

But us Linux users have ftpfs and nfs available, which provide similar (but slower) functionality, so there's less impetus for me to worry about it.

But what is still really needed is a PC-side "sync" utility that also does the database update/rebuild. Some day I just might get fed up enough to actually write one.

JEmplode was almost there, but it never got the bugs worked out before the developer disappeared.

Cheers

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#298888 - 31/10/2007 22:27 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: dewdman42]
schofiel
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Registered: 25/06/1999
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Loc: Wareham, Dorset, UK
Have you got a Mk 2 or 2A/RioCar?
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#298889 - 31/10/2007 22:32 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: schofiel]
dewdman42
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mk2

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#298890 - 01/11/2007 17:56 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: dewdman42]
dewdman42
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Well I have attempted to install v3, went fine. I managed to connect with hyperterminal and rebuild the DB, so that it boots up fine. Then I tried to connect with jemplode to remove all my music and start over. This is where problems arose. First I somehow ended up with about 10MB of orphaned MP3's on there. They don't show up on the player under any playlist, but when I connect with Jemplode I see them under the ALL node. I tried to select them and delete them and resync, but it always dies about half way through the sync. I can't seem to get rid of these files or get my empeg to a clean state where I can try to add all my songs.

Is there some way using hyperterminal to completely clean out the old databases and files to start clean?

Otherwise I guess I will have to go back to 2.01 and use Emplode to setup the music I want and only after that switch back to V3.

??

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#298891 - 01/11/2007 19:14 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: dewdman42]
mlord
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JEmplode always seems to totally mess up my collection, so I don't even attempt to use it anymore. Just straight Emplode 2.01 for me.

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#298892 - 01/11/2007 19:23 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: mlord]
dewdman42
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I have here Emplode v2.00 and v2.10. I don't recall seeing v2.01. Does v2.00 work with Firmware v3? I tried the newest one...version 2.10, but it crashes immediately when I try to delete one of the orphaned songs... not even trying to sync...just deleting one song from the emplode GUI.

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#298893 - 01/11/2007 20:03 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: dewdman42]
Attack
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Emplode 2.10 is needed if you want to upload ogg or flac files. Jemplode works much better for me. You can use Hyper terminal to delete all your music. Check the FAQ for instructions.
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#298894 - 01/11/2007 20:10 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: Attack]
dewdman42
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Thanks, I've already passed my patience limit. Going back to firmware 2.01 and emplode 2.01. Thanks.

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#298895 - 01/11/2007 20:42 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: dewdman42]
mlord
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I have here Emplode v2.00 and v2.10. I don't recall seeing v2.01. Does v2.00 work with Firmware v3?


Yup, no problem at all here.

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#298896 - 01/11/2007 20:49 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: mlord]
pim
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But what is still really needed is a PC-side "sync" utility that also does the database update/rebuild.


mp3tofid?

Pim

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#298897 - 01/11/2007 21:04 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: pim]
mlord
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But what is still really needed is a PC-side "sync" utility that also does the database update/rebuild.


mp3tofid?

Pim


That doesn't od the database update/rebuild.

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#298898 - 02/11/2007 00:22 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: dewdman42]
schofiel
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Registered: 25/06/1999
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There are a couple of small caps on the Mk 2 that affect top end treble on the forward speakers in the car, and the stereo pair at home. By removing them, I have seen/heard a noticeable improvement in sound quality at HF. Also, although impossible to prove, removing them seems to reduce external interference from alternators, especially on BMWs. This is HIGHLY subjective, and impossible to prove by looking at the circuit diagrams, but - I have heard the results! YMMV.
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#298899 - 02/11/2007 20:28 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: schofiel]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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Yup, I believe we're discussing that very thing in another thread just now.
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#298900 - 04/11/2007 22:19 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: dewdman42]
dewdman42
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Ok, not a happy camp here. Ever since trying out v3, realizing it was too buggy and wasting my time just to try syncronize the darn thing..I went back v2.01 and now i can't syncronize from here either.

Someone please tell me how I can cleanly an directly with hyperterminal remove all DB and MP3 files related to both the v2 and v3 attempts to start clean.

I am trying to use firmware 2.01 and emplode 2.01. I first removed all my tracks from the HD (I hope), emplode showed me complete space available and no tracks (the v3 DB is probably still lurking in there though). When I try to add one directory of MP3's from my PC, it syncs, everything works fine. I say ok, so then I try to add all of my MP3 dirs...about 80GB's worth, I go to sync. It gets maybe 10 minutes into it and then the Empeg sponanteously restarts, the Emplode dialog has a tons of warnings and the empg is left in a state with a lot of empty playlists and not fully syncronized.

Whatever occurred while I was trying out v3 firmware has totally messed up my empeg where I can't seem to get it resyncronized again. Someone please help.\

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#298901 - 05/11/2007 12:40 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: dewdman42]
wfaulk
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Delete /empeg/var/database, /empeg/var/tags, and /empeg/var/playlists. That's all of the cached database files. The empeg will then regenerate them on the fly every time it boots until your next sync, when it will write them to the filesystem.
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#298902 - 05/11/2007 15:30 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: wfaulk]
dewdman42
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Thanks. Is there any way to make sure all actual MP3 files are also removed from the Empeg?

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#298903 - 05/11/2007 15:44 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: dewdman42]
tfabris
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Thanks. Is there any way to make sure all actual MP3 files are also removed from the Empeg?


All MP3s, their tags, and playlists are contained in:
drive1/fids
drive0/fids

Smoke those and you're golden.
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#298904 - 05/11/2007 18:33 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: dewdman42]
mlord
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Thanks. Is there any way to make sure all actual MP3 files are also removed from the Empeg?


Re-run the builder.

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#298905 - 05/11/2007 18:37 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: mlord]
dewdman42
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rerunning the builder means what exactly?

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#298906 - 05/11/2007 19:17 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: dewdman42]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
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rerunning the builder means what exactly?


It means connecting the player with a serial cable, and double-clicking on the file with the name builder_bigdisk.upgrade, as described in the drive upgrade guide.

This will launch the upgrader and install the builder image onto the player. When the player reboots, it will wipe any connected hard disks completely, repartition and reformat them, and prepare them for a new operating system and player firmware.

After that, you'll need to run car2_v2.01_hijack.upgrade to get a fresh copy of the player firmware on there.
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#298907 - 05/11/2007 23:04 Re: What is new in 3.0? [Re: mlord]
pim
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mp3tofid?


That doesn't do the database update/rebuild.


Yes it does, though not using the tunes on the player as the source.

Pim

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