#338010 - 06/10/2010 15:46
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: siberia37]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
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Newspapers and Construction Debris Neither of which goes into typical landfill here. Newspapers are recycled and have been for some 20 years wherever I've lived. Large-scale construction debris is usually sorted and parts of it reclaimed. Large sections of concrete and other unreclaimable materials around here have been used to build out new land over water. The Toronto Islands, Ontario Place and Tommy Thompson park to be specific. Plastic bags are a hazard for wildlife and water systems (treatment, drainage, etc.) Not to mention they're made of petroleum products. You should consider using biodegradable bags and then composting your cat poop. Or, flush the cat poop - it will go directly to a facility designed to deal with it.
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#338014 - 06/10/2010 16:28
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: siberia37]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 24/12/2001
Posts: 5528
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The whole plastic bags taking up too much landfill space idea is kind of overblown anyways. The bags I get from the supermarkets here are now made out of some kind of biodegradeable plastic as they literally fall apart after a few months. I used to keep all the bags I got as I could reuse them when you can't do that now as the bags just don't last.
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#338016 - 06/10/2010 17:17
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: hybrid8]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
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Apparently you're not supposed to compost cat feces because of the relatively high likelihood of it containing toxoplasmosis cysts.
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#338017 - 06/10/2010 18:21
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: hybrid8]
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old hand
Registered: 09/01/2002
Posts: 702
Loc: Tacoma,WA
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Newspapers and Construction Debris Neither of which goes into typical landfill here. Newspapers are recycled and have been for some 20 years wherever I've lived. Large-scale construction debris is usually sorted and parts of it reclaimed. Large sections of concrete and other unreclaimable materials around here have been used to build out new land over water. The Toronto Islands, Ontario Place and Tommy Thompson park to be specific. Plastic bags are a hazard for wildlife and water systems (treatment, drainage, etc.) Not to mention they're made of petroleum products. You should consider using biodegradable bags and then composting your cat poop. Or, flush the cat poop - it will go directly to a facility designed to deal with it. Agreed that plastic is a hazard if you let it get out of the landfill- but I'm not doing that. The plastic bags aren't blowing away with 3 pounds of cat litter in them. Flushing cat poop and "urine cakes" (solidified litter) from the catbox would be a very bad idea. A sanitary sewer system cannot handle that- you would probably clog your sewer line costing you potientally hundreds of dollars. The only way it would work is if you didn't use cat litter at all and that would make your house smell disgusting. I wish there was a real biodegradable solution to cat litter but I don't see one at the moment.
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#338021 - 06/10/2010 18:59
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: hybrid8]
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pooh-bah
Registered: 06/04/2005
Posts: 2026
Loc: Seattle transplant
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Yes, I didn't mean that you should flush any gravel type litter, just the poop. Better still is to teach your cat to go right on the toilet, like in Meet the Fockers. I've seen videos on YouTube showing you how to train your cat to do that. ...hmm... seems to me we've touched on this before. I'm sure we have.
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#338023 - 06/10/2010 19:21
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: canuckInOR]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12338
Loc: Sterling, VA
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Plus, I do live in an apartment, and the trash is about a 600' walk away. You know that you can get a 5 gallon bucket from Home Depot for, like... $3 right? I was responding to a person who said that they put the litter in a bag and then put the bag in the trash outside. I can't do that because I'd be walking out to the trash every single night, which I don't feel like doing. I currently put the bags in my trash inside and then take it out every other day because we have a 13 gallon trash can that fills up quickly. There are a couple reasons I don't use grocery bags. They aren't designed to hold cat waste - odors leak from these much more than bags designed for the purpose. Similarly, about half the plastic bags I get from the store have tiny or larger holes in the bottom (possibly from carrying the groceries and stretching the seams in the plastic). Sure, I'm talking about 2mm holes at most, but that's enough to let little pieces of soiled waste through and again, lets odor through. Also, no matter how tight you tie the handles together, it's not an air-tight seal. I'm currently using these bags which stow in this. Despite the 22 cents per bag, it's still worth it for the convenience. Still, I think I can do better
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#338026 - 06/10/2010 19:35
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: Dignan]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
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Plus, I do live in an apartment, and the trash is about a 600' walk away. You know that you can get a 5 gallon bucket from Home Depot for, like... $3 right? I was responding to a person who said that they put the litter in a bag and then put the bag in the trash outside. I can't do that because I'd be walking out to the trash every single night, which I don't feel like doing. I currently put the bags in my trash inside and then take it out every other day because we have a 13 gallon trash can that fills up quickly. I double line the grocery bags, and use a small lidded pail that's about the size of the grocery bags. When the pail fills, the bag gets tied, and put outside in the trash. Despite the 22 cents per bag, it's still worth it for the convenience. Still, I think I can do better 22 cents a bag? You are getting hosed.
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#338027 - 06/10/2010 19:57
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: tman]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 18/06/2001
Posts: 2504
Loc: Roma, Italy
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The bags I get from the supermarkets here are now made out of some kind of biodegradeable plastic as they literally fall apart after a few months. Yes, that's actually the standard, here, and it has been for the last 5 or 6 years.
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#338030 - 06/10/2010 22:17
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: hybrid8]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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The Toronto Islands, Ontario Place and Tommy Thompson park to be specific. Dunno about the others, but the Toronto Islands apparently predate modern trashy white people. The Leslie spit is a debris of beauty, though.
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#338031 - 06/10/2010 22:20
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: wfaulk]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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Apparently you're not supposed to compost cat feces because of the relatively high likelihood of it containing toxoplasmosis cysts. The local municipality here, explicitly wants cat litter tossed into the "new" Green Bin containers for composting, rather than into general waste. So long as the compost is allowed time to really cook (high temperatures), it's probably fine. But this is municipal " governance" we're talkin' about, so..
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#338041 - 07/10/2010 06:06
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: Dignan]
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veteran
Registered: 21/03/2002
Posts: 1424
Loc: MA but Irish born
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I'm currently using these bags which stow in this. Despite the 22 cents per bag, it's still worth it for the convenience. Still, I think I can do better Check Babies R Us or similar, they have bags for holding poopy diapers that block/cover the smell.
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#338046 - 07/10/2010 12:21
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: msaeger]
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addict
Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 510
Loc: NY
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Some people just want the latest technology in cat waste removal They need to get one of these then, not some feline diaper genie. I have one. It's wonderful. I don't walk any cat crap to the trash. Now getting the dog to stop trying to find snacks in it...
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#338047 - 07/10/2010 12:40
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: Heather]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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Wow. Nice device, and insanely expensive (to operate).
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#338048 - 07/10/2010 12:43
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: Heather]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
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That CatGenie is just bloody awesome. I don't think I could ever own a cat without something like that.
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#338055 - 07/10/2010 16:15
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
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Apparently you're not supposed to compost cat feces because of the relatively high likelihood of it containing toxoplasmosis cysts. The local municipality here, explicitly wants cat litter tossed into the "new" Green Bin containers for composting, rather than into general waste. Is that litter or litter + crap? I know a few people that put the used cat litter in their flower beds (the ammonia in the cat pee is supposed to be good for the soil, or something), but all the fecal matter needs to be taken out, first.
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#338065 - 07/10/2010 20:44
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: canuckInOR]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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Crap included. Weird, but that's what they want.
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#338070 - 07/10/2010 22:02
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
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Interesting. I wonder if our green bin folks allow the same. I'll have to check it out. Right now, the litter box stuff accounts for approximately 1/4 of our weekly trash.
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#338071 - 07/10/2010 22:06
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: canuckInOR]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
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Interesting. I wonder if our green bin folks allow the same. I'll have to check it out. Right now, the litter box stuff accounts for approximately 1/4 of our weekly trash. Nope. "Curbside yard debris does not include [...] animal waste" Of course, it also says no food waste, but I throw that stuff in there, too. What's the difference between a weed (allowed), and a piece of old lettuce (not allowed)?
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#338073 - 07/10/2010 23:39
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: Heather]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
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I would think that it would take a while for the granules to dry ? but yeah aside from getting the cat to use a toilet I can't see how the technology could advance past this
Edited by msaeger (07/10/2010 23:40)
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#338075 - 08/10/2010 02:32
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: canuckInOR]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
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it also says no food waste That sounds like what our council calls "yard waste". We have separate, seasonal pickups for that stuff. The green bin program is explicitly for food scraps, meat, fat, bones, used tissues, and other biodegradable house waste. Cheers
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#338079 - 08/10/2010 11:50
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
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Same as Mark here, except no animal waste allowed in my current municipality (it was allowed in the previous).
Yard waste doesn't have a dedicated bin here, you generally use large paper bags.
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#338085 - 08/10/2010 15:44
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: msaeger]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
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I would think that it would take a while for the granules to dry? It has a blow-dryer, so once the granules are washed, they're blown dry. From what I've read, the entire wash/dry cycle takes about 30 minutes. but yeah aside from getting the cat to use a toilet I can't see how the technology could advance past this I can. If you read enough reviews, you'll see that thing is not without its design flaws. It uses a ton of water and electricity, and it takes a page from the inkjet printer manufacturer's playbook, and has proprietary, non-refillable cartridges. In the end, I decided to stick with a regular litter box.
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#338086 - 08/10/2010 15:49
Re: Ship something from the UK?
[Re: mlord]
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carpal tunnel
Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
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it also says no food waste That sounds like what our council calls "yard waste". Yeah... that's what it's called. I put anything biodegradable in it, with the exception of animal by-products, which I still put in the trash. It's not seasonal, though, as yard-cleanup is year round out here.
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