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#331079 - 16/03/2010 23:00 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: andym]
andym
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This gave me a bit of a chuckle:


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#331084 - 17/03/2010 14:38 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: hybrid8]
siberia37
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Originally Posted By: hybrid8
That's a damn fine VFX shot/comp, even for a low res YouTube video.



Does seem like there is an absence of sparks and I would think the drag in pushing a car sideways would be very significant.


Edited by siberia37 (17/03/2010 14:39)

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#331086 - 17/03/2010 14:59 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: siberia37]
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Originally Posted By: siberia37
Originally Posted By: hybrid8
That's a damn fine VFX shot/comp, even for a low res YouTube video.



Does seem like there is an absence of sparks and I would think the drag in pushing a car sideways would be very significant.


There is a small shower of sparks at around 0:18

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#331087 - 17/03/2010 15:01 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: g_attrill]
hybrid8
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I'm not looking for tell-tale smoking gun proof in the quality of the pixels nor even analyzing the physics. I'm basing my judgement solely on the absurdity of a truck (lorry) going full tilt down a motorway pushing a perpendicular vehicle in front of it.

I mean, who would do that knowingly?
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#331088 - 17/03/2010 15:31 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: hybrid8]
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One would assume that the notion is that he didn't know. I, too, though, find it overly absurd to be taken at face value. The truck is quite clearly from this company, if someone were inclined to call and ask them about it.

As far as pixel examinations go, though, I have to wonder why the video is in 1:1 ratio. Seems odd.
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#331090 - 17/03/2010 16:21 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: wfaulk]
canuckInOR
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Originally Posted By: wfaulk
As far as pixel examinations go, though, I have to wonder why the video is in 1:1 ratio. Seems odd.

Perhaps because it's from a PAL cell-phone video?

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#331092 - 17/03/2010 16:38 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: canuckInOR]
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Do British cell phones shoot video in 1:1?
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#331093 - 17/03/2010 19:04 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: wfaulk]
andym
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Originally Posted By: wfaulk
Do British cell phones shoot video in 1:1?

I wouldn't have said it has anything to do with PAL, some phones just shoot in really weird modes.
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#331095 - 17/03/2010 20:16 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: wfaulk]
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The person who posted it has replied in a couple of places:
Quote:

Just to clear things up. i did not take this video but i do know the truck driver. the vid was given to him i assume by the people in the car. Apart from very shaken the young lady driving the car was unhurt. this is a bloody big truck and when you sit in the cab you can only see about 10 feet ahead. the truck driver is a very good one and has years of experience and about the last person in the world to suffer from road rage. just didn't feel a thing. And yes its real !!
.....
he was fully loaded at the time with 30000kgs in the tank. running at about 44000kgs gross weight

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#331097 - 17/03/2010 23:12 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: g_attrill]
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Quote:
...he was fully loaded at the time...

Well there's your problem!
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#331098 - 18/03/2010 00:12 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: Dignan]
hybrid8
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Still sounds like a load of bullshit to me. You'd have to be asleep and on tranquilizers not to know you hit a car, regardless of how much mass your own vehicle has. And even if said driver could not see the car while it was attached to his front bumper (unlikely) how did it get there?

Fake.
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#331099 - 18/03/2010 01:46 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: hybrid8]
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Speaking of fakes, someone at my car club forum dropped this down with a straight face in the 'current events' section.
ugh. Don't waste too much of your time with it-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fR3vBB1Yn0
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#331101 - 18/03/2010 11:27 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: Robotic]
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Wow, that's even better than the perpetual motion machine I created, which can only power itself.
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#331102 - 18/03/2010 12:02 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: wfaulk]
g_attrill
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It's hit the national news here now, but not much more information other than it's confirmed as genuine and happened in January:

http://news.google.co.uk/news/story?ncl=dHjQ0erjX7St_sMaFJ4vO5765cVAM

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#331104 - 18/03/2010 14:56 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: g_attrill]
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Amazing. My next guess: The Clio driver did something to anger the lorry driver, and he did it on purpose. Perhaps just nudging her from behind at first, causing her car to skid sideways and end up against his bumper. Then he just dragged her along, cackling the whole way.

I've seen 18-wheelers try to run folks off the road before (admittedly, not in England).
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#331105 - 18/03/2010 15:35 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: tfabris]
siberia37
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Big truck drivers can be scary but they can also be good "enforcers". The best thing I saw was at a backup because of a closed lane on a two lane road. Of course all the people in a hurry where driving in the closing lane to get to the front of the backup and slowing down everyone else. So one truck/lorry drive drove in the closing lane right next to a truck driver in the non-closed lane- blocking the line jumpers. Somehow you can't pull off this kind of road justice in a small car, but in a big truck you can get away with it.

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#331106 - 18/03/2010 16:20 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: siberia37]
tfabris
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That's exactly the situation in which I saw a truck driver run someone off the road. Someone driving a ricer tried to rush up into the closing lane, and the trucker swerved out of his lane into the closing lane as the ricer approached, forcing him onto the shoulder. I cheered a little.
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#331108 - 18/03/2010 17:45 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: tfabris]
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Originally Posted By: tfabris
Amazing. My next guess: The Clio driver did something to anger the lorry driver, and he did it on purpose. Perhaps just nudging her from behind at first, causing her car to skid sideways and end up against his bumper. Then he just dragged her along, cackling the whole way.


That could only happen if Dennis Weaver was driving the Clio... wink
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#331109 - 18/03/2010 18:10 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: Geoff]
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Originally Posted By: Geoff
That could only happen if Dennis Weaver was driving the Clio... wink
Damn- it took me far too long to catch on to that one.
I must admit that I couldn't make it all the way through when I did try to watch it, years ago.
Snoozefest.
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#331110 - 18/03/2010 18:33 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: Robotic]
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According to the chat on Pistonheads, sounds like the truck driver just wasn't aware of the Clio being there at all. So the investigation has reopened...
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#331112 - 18/03/2010 20:18 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: frog51]
tfabris
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And I think that sounds like a real nice excuse.
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#331114 - 18/03/2010 20:35 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: tfabris]
andym
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It's just appeared on BBC Northwest Tonight. The police have confirmed the video is legit.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/8574609.stm

I'm personally more taken aback that we now have concrete proof that Bruno is actually wrong about something.....
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#331115 - 18/03/2010 20:59 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: andym]
tfabris
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For the record, lots of people assumed it was fake, because it was so absurd. I certainly thought it was fake, too.
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#331116 - 18/03/2010 21:06 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: tfabris]
hybrid8
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I still don't believe the video is legit. I'm not saying I'm right about anything, I just don't believe it. Nothing in that news story even begins to corroborate the authenticity of the video.

So there was a collision involving a lorry and a car on the motorway in January. Ok. No one involved in that collision thought to describe the events we saw in the video? There was no investigation until now? How credible is that? How absurd is it that the driver of the car being pushed didn't think to tell the police about it? It would have likely led to some negligence charges, wouldn't it?

Anyway, for those keeping up with this, do post any news as it becomes available. I'm genuinely curious how this went down and why everyone involved seems to be so brain-dead that they didn't think to disclose the actual details at any point.
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#331117 - 18/03/2010 21:18 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: hybrid8]
andym
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Originally Posted By: hybrid8
I'm genuinely curious how this went down and why everyone involved seems to be so brain-dead that they didn't think to disclose the actual details at any point.

So you've read the witness statements have you?
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#331118 - 18/03/2010 21:42 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: tfabris]
andym
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Originally Posted By: tfabris
For the record, lots of people assumed it was fake, because it was so absurd. I certainly thought it was fake, too.


But of all the things to make a fake video about? It seems a really odd choice, which I why I doubt its 'fakeness'.
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#331119 - 18/03/2010 21:50 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: siberia37]
LittleBlueThing
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Originally Posted By: siberia37
Big truck drivers can be scary but they can also be good "enforcers". The best thing I saw was at a backup because of a closed lane on a two lane road. Of course all the people in a hurry where driving in the closing lane to get to the front of the backup and slowing down everyone else. So one truck/lorry drive drove in the closing lane right next to a truck driver in the non-closed lane- blocking the line jumpers. Somehow you can't pull off this kind of road justice in a small car, but in a big truck you can get away with it.

Yeah, we have dipshit "enforcers" like this too.

My favourite is where we have two lanes merging to one on an "off-ramp". In the morning in stopped traffic the lorries play this game of "no-one shall pass me" about 500yds from the final merge.

Sadly what happens is that the traffic just backs up 500yds behind them.

Even worse is that they are only 200yds off the motorway.

Result? They cause stationary traffic on the motorway and total traffic chaos as the inside lane is stopped and the outside lane has people doing full speed...

Like I say... dipshits.



Oh, and a little more for the 'merge early' brigade...

Imagine 2 streams of traffic approaching a 'merge'.

All the cars in the left lane are red, all those in the right lane are blue.

Scenario 1:
All cars merge, in turn, just as the lane closes.

Result:
Alternate red/blue cars.... 100% fair.

Scenario 2:
Some cars from the right lane (red) merge early. Some don't.
Everyone who reaches the end of the lane merges in turn.

Result:
For every car that merges early you get a
blue:red:blue
in the left lane and
red:red:red
in the right lane (can you see what's coming?)
So when they merge to a single lane you get a
blue:red:red:red:blue:red
glut going through after the merge.

Conclusion?
The selfish people who merge early actually hurt the people in the lane they merge into.

Side effect?
They get pissed and cause crashes by acting all self-righteous and 'enforcing' their boneheaded idea of "being right".



On the 'car being pushed sideways'... I actually witnessed this once. I was right next to a car when the lorry pulled out (slowly) as the car was just passing him. The car just tilted in front of the lorry very gently. The lorry actually carried on for quite some time before pulling over to the hard shoulder.

I was trying to stop traffic passing us as I figured this was one situation where that made sense. Someone overtook me smile

Incidentally I can see this being missed by a tired driver in a noisy lorry.

There was very little damage to the car - I did expect it to dig in the wheels and roll but it wasn't even close.
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#331120 - 18/03/2010 22:03 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: andym]
hybrid8
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Originally Posted By: andym

So you've read the witness statements have you?


I was referring to the "facts" presented in the article you linked.

And as to why anyone would fake this? It makes a nice entry in your VFX reel if that's your (intended) livelihood. Same reason as the awesome airplane/highway one from a few years back (it was phenomenal).
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#331121 - 18/03/2010 22:20 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: hybrid8]
andym
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Ah, so you don't 'actually' know what was said to the police. You're just 'assuming' they didn't say anything about it because there's nothing about it in the article. Could it be that the police won't release all the details of an ongoing investigation. Of course not, because this is someone's showreel video... Yeah right.
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#331122 - 18/03/2010 23:11 Re: Best Videos 2010 [Re: andym]
hybrid8
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EDITED. I had a nice reply written, but it's not worth it. Another thread headed into the crapper because someone had to start with the personal attacks.
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