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#340711 - 05/01/2011 16:12 wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics
DWallach
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1) I was at my parents' place in Florida for a brief vacation over the New Year. I mixed up a big batch of pretzel dough, set the oven, got it all laid out on baking sheets, and then discovered the oven was completely cold. We read the manual cover-to-cover several times, ultimately reaching the conclusion something was deeply wrong with the controller board. I ended up baking the pretzels in the toaster oven.

After a phone call to Miele, the solution was that the oven had somehow gotten itself into "demo mode", which required an undocumented key sequence (put the selector into light mode and hold down both timer buttons for 5 seconds). Afterward, it worked fine.

2) A neighbor's PC blew up. He asked me to do what I could, giving me two internal SATA hard drives and an external USB hard drive. Of course, he didn't have any sort of backup strategy. The primary boot drive (a Seagate 160GB model) had some hard errors, but mostly worked. I was able to copy all but 20 or so files, mostly family pictures based on the file names. The secondary drive (a Seagate 500GB model) was formatted in a funny way, such that my Mac couldn't directly mount it, but I could get to it from Windows XP inside VMware. That drive appeared to be okay. It was just completely full of pirated kids videos. At least it wasn't porn. He's ordered himself a new iMac. I'm nudging him to buy a suitably large external drive for Time Machine.

3) We ended up getting an Xbox 360 + Kinect bundle ($300 for all the hardware plus $50 per game) for my daughter for Xmas. I'm a total Xbox newbie, and getting everything set up and running wasn't too painful, although it was much harder than it should have been. For example, the Xbox saw that I had two WiFi base stations and complained that they shouldn't have the same SSID. Really? Umm... no. Please pick the one with the strongest signal strength and do what everybody else does.

The Kinect stuff is remarkable in how well it works. However, you still need to reach for the normal Xbox controller in a variety of unpredictable circumstances that felt not unlike needing to find a DOS window to type obscure commands not supported by the Windows GUI.

Also, I have to ding Microsoft for an apparent lack of usability testing on the target market. My daughter is 5.5 years old and is presently learning to read. Even with the Kinectimals game, which really maxes out on the cute factor and is clearly targeted at my daughter's age group and sensibilities, there are numerous text prompts that appear on screen. "Dad, which one do I pick?" I really want something that my daughter can use without my supervision.

My neighbor's 7 year old boy, who's quite the jock, seemed to have a natural feel for the thing, and it recognized his gestures without trouble. My daughter, who is very much not a jock, had far more trouble, since her gestures weren't really what it had in mind. Also, it seemed to have trouble recognizing gestures involving her legs (kicking, jumping, etc.) when she was wearing her nightgown. Unsurprisingly, it works much better when it can actually see your legs, but girls often wear skirts, dresses, and the like.

I must also rant about some non-Kinect issues:

- I have zero interest in joining Xbox Live Gold. I don't care. So why do I need to be a member of Xbox Live Gold in order to get to Netflix?

- My home network is an Apple Walled Garden sort of place. How hard is it to pay Apple a license fee so you can play nicely with the walled garden, supporting AirPlay, etc.? Or screw Apple, implement compatibility regardless, and just don't support DRM content. That would be fine by me. (Hey, if they can do it with Ford's Sync, why not with Xbox?) Or maybe Apple should write an app for the Xbox that I can download from somewhere. Do I need to install some 3rd party software on my Mac instead?

- I've also got a TiVo downstairs, on the very same network. Wouldn't it be nice if you could speak TiVo's protocols and do content extraction? (We've got the TiVo downstairs and the Xbox upstairs...)

- As my daughter is busy doing her thing, the Xbox is busy "unlocking achievements" and other sundry things that are never explained anywhere. Somehow, I missed the memo that explains all of this mess. I can see that I have some number of G's and trophies. I have no idea what these numbers mean.

- Some Kinect games like to take your picture. How do you extract those photos? Sure, that's obvious.

- Also, I went poking around the Xbox Live Arcade to see what was there. One of my college buddies wrote a game, Braid, so I clicked on it, and it said it cost 800 somethings, where the something was a funny glyph that looks like a cross between a capital G and a euro symbol (you can see it at the web link). Umm.. WTF? Yes, I can go read up and learn that these are Microsoft Points,which are unrelated to the "G's" mentioned above, but nowhere did it bother to say that, much less talk about the dollar cost of Microsoft Points.

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#340712 - 05/01/2011 17:04 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: DWallach]
hybrid8
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Hehe.. You said Microsoft.
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#340713 - 05/01/2011 17:05 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: DWallach]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
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Originally Posted By: DWallach
After a phone call to Miele, the solution was that the oven had somehow gotten itself into "demo mode", which required an undocumented key sequence (put the selector into light mode and hold down both timer buttons for 5 seconds). Afterward, it worked fine.

I guess demo mode is for a showroom or something where they want it to light up but not actually get hot? The secret key combo that puts you into this mode can't be that difficult if somebody in the house managed to hit it. Extra bad points for making it undocumented to leave demo mode which also has no indication it is in demo mode without calling or getting somebody in to repair it.

Originally Posted By: DWallach
For example, the Xbox saw that I had two WiFi base stations and complained that they shouldn't have the same SSID. Really? Umm... no. Please pick the one with the strongest signal strength and do what everybody else does.

You won't experience this but the other problem which generally also occurs is that manufacturers just assume that you're in the US with only 1 to 11 for 2.4GHz WiFi channels. Europe lets you use 1 to 13 and badly designed devices just won't see your AP at all if it is on 12 or 13.

Originally Posted By: DWallach
- I have zero interest in joining Xbox Live Gold. I don't care. So why do I need to be a member of Xbox Live Gold in order to get to Netflix?

Just making you pay for a sub for something that you'll never actually use.

Originally Posted By: DWallach
- As my daughter is busy doing her thing, the Xbox is busy "unlocking achievements" and other sundry things that are never explained anywhere. Somehow, I missed the memo that explains all of this mess. I can see that I have some number of G's and trophies. I have no idea what these numbers mean.

Achievement points for "ePeening" basically.

Originally Posted By: DWallach
- Also, I went poking around the Xbox Live Arcade to see what was there. One of my college buddies wrote a game, Braid, so I clicked on it, and it said it cost 800 somethings, where the something was a funny glyph that looks like a cross between a capital G and a euro symbol (you can see it at the web link). Umm.. WTF? Yes, I can go read up and learn that these are Microsoft Points,which are unrelated to the "G's" mentioned above, but nowhere did it bother to say that, much less talk about the dollar cost of Microsoft Points.

The best part of Microsoft points is that the conversion from real $$$ to MS points and the actual cost of items on the store means you always have to overspend. Oddly enough, this is one of the places where Sony has actually done it properly and they just charge you real $$$ instead of special virtual cash.

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#340714 - 05/01/2011 18:17 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: DWallach]
Tim
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Registered: 25/04/2000
Posts: 1487
Loc: Arizona
Originally Posted By: DWallach
1) I was at my parents' place in Florida for a brief vacation over the New Year. I mixed up a big batch of pretzel dough, set the oven, got it all laid out on baking sheets, and then discovered the oven was completely cold. We read the manual cover-to-cover several times, ultimately reaching the conclusion something was deeply wrong with the controller board. I ended up baking the pretzels in the toaster oven.

After a phone call to Miele, the solution was that the oven had somehow gotten itself into "demo mode", which required an undocumented key sequence (put the selector into light mode and hold down both timer buttons for 5 seconds). Afterward, it worked fine.

One of the guys I work with got a fancy new microwave a couple years ago. One day it just quit working and said 'DEMO' on the display. There were no instructions in the manual on how to deactivate it, so he called tech support. They claimed demo mode didn't exist on that model and weren't able to help him. He eventually got ahold of some guy in Texas who is the only person on the planet who knows how to get that model of microwave out of demo mode. I thought that kind of crap only happened in Chevy Chase comedies.

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#340715 - 05/01/2011 18:20 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: tman]
Robotic
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Originally Posted By: tman
Achievement points for "ePeening" basically.

Holy Hell- that's a new one on me.

At work we peen metal parts.
I was confused.
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#340718 - 05/01/2011 19:06 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: Tim]
tfabris
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Heh, my brand new whirlpool stove in my brand new house got religion and went into Sabbath Mode due to a malfunctioning control board recently. That was fun.
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#340719 - 05/01/2011 19:39 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: Tim]
Redrum
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Registered: 17/01/2003
Posts: 994
I’m amazed at the things now with “smart technology” built into them. I bought a cheap outside motion light that comes on after dark if it senses motion.

It has processor logic built into it and needed to initialize itself when I installed it. Come one, it’s just a light. Seems like they just designed it to have more failure points. I guess that’s good for them.

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#340723 - 05/01/2011 21:31 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: Redrum]
siberia37
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Registered: 09/01/2002
Posts: 702
Loc: Tacoma,WA
I think we are rapidly approaching the point where complexity is no longer paying dividends in efficiency but is instead stealing resources away for maintenance and repair of these complex systems.

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#340724 - 05/01/2011 21:41 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: siberia37]
hybrid8
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Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
Often the most complex solutions are created by the most simple-minded people. It takes real talent to really create something simple.

Of course this things can equally go sideways when the product is designed by a committee. You need someone with an iron fist (and talent) to come in and set things straight.

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#340731 - 05/01/2011 22:41 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: tman]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
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Loc: Minnetonka, MN
Quote:
this is one of the places where Sony has actually done it properly and they just charge you real $$$ instead of special virtual cash.


That and I can use the PS3 for Netflix instant without paying a subscription to Sony.
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#340732 - 05/01/2011 23:13 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: msaeger]
DWallach
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Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3728
Somehow, I can make similarly small payments via credit card to Apple and Amazon as well, and the sky has yet to cave in.

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#340735 - 06/01/2011 10:49 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: DWallach]
Tim
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Registered: 25/04/2000
Posts: 1487
Loc: Arizona
Theoretically, if you don't see it as real money, you don't pay attention to how much you are spending. That and 'bonus points' for buying higher denominations makes people feel that it is a better value than it is.

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#340736 - 06/01/2011 10:50 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: DWallach]
g_attrill
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Registered: 14/04/2002
Posts: 1172
Loc: Hants, UK
Last year I bought a 32" TV off ebay for something like £35. It was described as "screen flashes red/white/blue, lost the remote". I searched Google with a few keywords (including the TV's actual manufacturer, Vestel) and realised it had slipped into burn-in mode and you just need to press menu to get out of it.

Picked it up saying "um yeah, I might be able to fix it", got it home, took out the remote control for a similar Vestel set, pressed "menu", fixed!

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#340740 - 06/01/2011 12:43 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: tman]
Roger
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Loc: London, UK
Originally Posted By: tman
The best part of Microsoft points is that the conversion from real $$$ to MS points and the actual cost of items on the store means you always have to overspend.


I suspect that Microsoft points were originally a way to allow kids to spend money on Live without needing unfettered access to their parents' credit cards. This simple idea has since been corrupted by someone in a suit.
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#340741 - 06/01/2011 13:35 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: Roger]
tman
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Registered: 24/12/2001
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Originally Posted By: Roger
I suspect that Microsoft points were originally a way to allow kids to spend money on Live without needing unfettered access to their parents' credit cards. This simple idea has since been corrupted by someone in a suit.

You could have an account preloaded with X amount of real cash if you want that though. The Microsoft Points idea is just an unnecessary abstraction. It isn't specific to Microsoft though as Nintendo also do the same thing with the Wii shop.

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#340742 - 06/01/2011 14:35 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: DWallach]
Phoenix42
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Registered: 21/03/2002
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Loc: MA but Irish born
Originally Posted By: DWallach
I have zero interest in joining Xbox Live Gold. I don't care. So why do I need to be a member of Xbox Live Gold in order to get to Netflix?


A year of Live get you most of the way towards the cheapest Roku, but yes that would be yet another device.

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#340743 - 06/01/2011 14:46 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: Tim]
JeffS
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Loc: Atlanta, GA
Originally Posted By: Tim
Theoretically, if you don't see it as real money, you don't pay attention to how much you are spending.
This is the theory behind the poker chip, and I can assure you it works quite well. smile
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#340744 - 06/01/2011 15:23 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: Phoenix42]
DWallach
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Originally Posted By: Phoenix42
A year of Live get you most of the way towards the cheapest Roku, but yes that would be yet another device.

I guess I'm just bothered by the need to pay a recurring fee. Why can't these just be apps that I buy once and download from Xbox Live Arcade (or equivalent)? All the shiny new HDTVs just announced at CES are chock full of Internet hookups. Xbox should be able to all of that, gratis, and probably of better quality than anybody else.

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#340748 - 06/01/2011 16:04 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: DWallach]
Phoenix42
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I agree Dan, it could and should just be a function of the device that does not require Live membership, MS decided otherwise for some reason. Given that the device is not just sold as a gaming box, but as an entertainment center, requiring an on-going subscription to full function is a turnoff. It is not as if NetFlix streaming is some sort of network social interaction activity like on-line gaming.

I don't know if I want my TV to be anything more then a monitor. All the add on functionality changes way quicker then a TV gets replaced, and so I am either stuck with add-on function that are no longer updated / support / function or I spring for a new $$$ TV to continue to have the new stuff. I'd rather just replace the $100 external box. It should be noted our only TV is a 27" CRT...maybe I am a Luddite smile

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#340749 - 06/01/2011 16:33 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: Phoenix42]
hybrid8
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I don't even care that my TV has a tuner in it - two tuners in fact. It also has a USB port that allows you to view images and perhaps play tunes. None of it gets any use because I can already do that on other devices. My TV is now enclosed so that I can't even access any of its ports or buttons.

There's a big market for integrated solutions, but I don't think we're in any danger of separates going away.

My amplifier is just a power amplifier (though multi-channel). My pre-amp is however a pre-amp and DAC/processor. wink

This post comes at a very appropriate time, since CES just started. I'm amazed at how much has already been announced that will also soon be forgotten. Some of what's been announced will be irrelevant by the end of the week. Most of it will be all but completely forgotten by the end of the year. There are very few exceptions and so far nothing has really jumped out at me.
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#340750 - 06/01/2011 17:03 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: Phoenix42]
tman
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Originally Posted By: Phoenix42
Given that the device is not just sold as a gaming box, but as an entertainment center, requiring an on-going subscription to full function is a turnoff.

Netflix isn't an integral or standard part of entertainment center functionality though so I don't see it as lacking something for "full fuction". It wasn't part of the launch lineup either for the 360. The 360 is still primarily a games console.

It would be nice to have it as part of the basic unit without an ongoing XBox Live subscription since you still need a Netflix subscription but I don't think that the XBox fails to fulfill its stated design goals by not having it.

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#340751 - 06/01/2011 17:08 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: hybrid8]
tman
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Originally Posted By: hybrid8
It also has a USB port that allows you to view images and perhaps play tunes.

Does anybody actually use those built in ports regularly without going mad? I've found them to be quirky and the actual viewer software built into the TV is normally broken in some way.

Originally Posted By: hybrid8
My amplifier is just a power amplifier (though multi-channel). My pre-amp is however a pre-amp and DAC/processor. wink

I umm... use the TV speakers... I never bothered with the whole surround thing because my living room where the TV is has an annoying shape and I never got around to cabling it up properly.

Originally Posted By: hybrid8
This post comes at a very appropriate time, since CES just started. I'm amazed at how much has already been announced that will also soon be forgotten. Some of what's been announced will be irrelevant by the end of the week. Most of it will be all but completely forgotten by the end of the year. There are very few exceptions and so far nothing has really jumped out at me.

Yeah. Most of the CES coverage this year has been pretty meh for me as well.

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#340752 - 06/01/2011 17:30 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: hybrid8]
Dignan
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Originally Posted By: hybrid8
There's a big market for integrated solutions, but I don't think we're in any danger of separates going away.

I am worried about integration, and the tech press seems to be all for it. At least two of the podcasts I listen two recently talked about integration, and the consensus has been "I don't want a bunch of boxes - just put it all in the TV."

This does NOT appeal to me. First of all, these people seem to be forgetting how long you hold on to your TV. I've had mine for four years now. How much has changed in the past four years? Hell, how much has changed in the last four months?

The next TV I purchase will be bought entirely for its video quality, and not one bit for whatever widgets or services they shove into it. I do not want that. Hell, I'm already pissed that my TV doesn't have removable speakers (the 70" version did, but 60" was as big as the wife would let me go smile ). I want a monitor. The TV is not the center of my home theater, the receiver is, and I'm happy to have everything plugged into that.

Besides, is it really that difficult to have separate devices? Now that I have a receiver with HDMI ports, it's blissfully simple to switch between inputs. All I have are three components anyway: Tivo, Boxee, and Bluray. I don't really need anything else.

What do you folks prefer? Integrated or not?
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#340753 - 06/01/2011 17:52 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: Dignan]
hybrid8
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Registered: 12/11/2001
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Loc: Toronto, CANADA
I covered up the ugly speaker bar on my TV with the surround I mentioned (which is part of the decor I showed in a thread long ago).

I'll only have four source components in my media cabinet under the TV. Boxee, SageTV Theater, Squeezebox and Wii. Those all connect to a DVDO Edge video scaler/switcher with audio going to my Pre-Pro.

My 7.1 power amp is in the basement (it weighs 95lbs) along with my PVR server and NAS serving media.

Audio connects from the pre-pro upstairs to the power-amp downstairs via 6 XLR (balanced) cables through the back wall. Speaker cable comes back upstairs through the walls.

The PVR server and NAS feed media to the source components over ethernet.

I don't have any disc-based sources nor any cable/satellite-specific set-top boxes.

The components are rather separate, however the three video-based devices have a lot of functional/app integration and some duplication. Their UI's have enough strengths and weaknesses however that I effectively use them as separates, the SageTV for live and recorded TV and the Boxee for movies and archived TV shows (by season). With the Wii (once hooked back up) relegated to only playing games.

The only thing that has me lusting after another TV is the wider screen format announced by Vizio. All the other software-based TV add-ons are a total snoozefest. As is 3D of any kind.
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#340754 - 06/01/2011 18:08 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: Dignan]
JeffS
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Originally Posted By: Dignan
What do you folks prefer? Integrated or not?

Not. Though I DO appreciate the bedroom TV having speakers- but that's about it.


Of topic-
My father-in-law moved in with us and insisted that he be able to move his TV into our main room right next to our HD TV because his had a VHS and DVD player integrated with it.

I insisted right back it wasn't going to happen, purchased the two VHS movies he likes to watch ("Pure Country and "Best Little Whorehouse In Texas"- Oh yeah!"), put them on our Apple TV, and now he's happy as a clam.
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#340755 - 06/01/2011 18:13 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: hybrid8]
DWallach
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My father is soon to be purchasing a new TV, so I've spent some time today reading the various CES-related press releases. Every vendor is looking at integrating a wide variety of Internet features into their TVs. Since my dad could truly care less about that stuff, I'm suggesting he buy a 2010 higher-end model once the new ones come out and put price pressure on the old ones.

What really kills me with the Xbox is that it's a relatively open platform, in that third parties can write apps for it, but yet where's my Pandora app? Where's my Apple Walled Garden Compatibility app? Microsoft seems to be acting as a gatekeeper to prevent such things.

Conversely, we have the Boxee/AppleTV/Google TV/etc. aftermarket purpose-built boxes, to which you must also add the various Blu-ray players with also seem to have gotten Internet widget mania. Of all those, Boxee appears to be the only vendor who's genuinely trying to create a third-party app market. The others are just looking to get their Pandora checkmark and move on with life.

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#340756 - 06/01/2011 18:14 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: JeffS]
hybrid8
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I'd rather have a popcorn dispenser built into a TV than any more internet jiggery pokery. wink

Dan, I have no idea what your dad's budget is, nor what size screen, nor if you guys are considering a specific display tech, but I can wholeheartedly recommend my LCD (local-dimmable) backlit Vizio 551XVT. The price was definitely right too. After a nice price drop at Costco it was $1700 Canadian early last year. They've since released a few models with more internet stuff baked in to try and keep the price point static, but they still tend to be lower priced than the competition. I wouldn't trade my TV for anything from Samsung, LG or Sony.
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#340757 - 06/01/2011 19:01 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: Dignan]
Roger
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Registered: 18/01/2000
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Loc: London, UK
Originally Posted By: Dignan
First of all, these people seem to be forgetting how long you hold on to your TV.


I don't think they are. They want you to replace your TV more often.
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#340758 - 06/01/2011 20:33 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: Roger]
hybrid8
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So far, the Star Wars BluRay release scheduled for September is the only thing I think people are going to remember every month until that time and beyond.

I have a strong feeling that every mobile phone and tablet that's been shown will be completely gone from the market landscape by the end of the year. Just the gadgets themselves, not speaking about the OS they're running - Android will continue to do well. The other OSes, not so much.
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#340761 - 06/01/2011 20:51 Re: wherein I proceed to rant on the sad state of consumer electronics [Re: hybrid8]
DWallach
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Android is well on its way to being the new Windows. In that respect, it devalues the particular devices on which it runs. Nobody cares what model your crappy Dell laptop is, merely that it's whatever size/weight/specs/blah and it runs Windows.

Also, just like Windows, we have everybody doing all this "value added" crapware. Microsoft eventually cracked down on all that. I hope Google finds a way of doing the same.

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