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#343330 - 12/03/2011 13:59 Re: Apple's gone way too far with the new subscription rules. [Re: hybrid8]
jmwking
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Registered: 27/02/2003
Posts: 775
Loc: Washington, DC metro
It looks like his issue is not the cost, but rather the requirement that he be connected to the internet with his Mac.

"My Mac Pro is completely secure. I have no internet connection. I have no wireless card. It is invulnerable. According to Apple's new policy, I am now a non-entity. It is literally impossible for me to download the new XCode 4.0 legally. I can't buy it at work and then transfer it to my Mac at home because of Apple's DRM. I called the Ann Arbor Apple store and asked if it will be available for purchase on DVD; the answer was an emphatic no."

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#343331 - 12/03/2011 14:05 Re: Apple's gone way too far with the new subscription rules. [Re: jmwking]
hybrid8
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Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
And he's wrong. If he pays $99 he can download it outside the Mac App Store and simply copy it to his machine however he sees fit.
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#343336 - 12/03/2011 15:56 Re: Apple's gone way too far with the new subscription rules. [Re: drakino]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
Originally Posted By: drakino

My comparison to extreme evangelicals comes from a similar angle where people take the base cause to such an extreme that they do more harm then good. In no way was meant as an insult to you John, or any of the other religious participants in these boards. It's more aimed at the people who I'm used to seeing in the news due to my time in Colorado Springs, the ones so busy trying to tell other people how to live that they end up somehow forgetting what they preach. John, I have great respect for you because you seem to not only believe in what you do strongly, but you also have made a major life choice to move to where you now reside to help make a difference in that area.


No offense taken. I don't categorize myself an extreme evangelical anyway. Other than the fact that I try to live out the commands in the Bible which has led to a somewhat extreme lifestyle change. I was actually just trying to be funny by showing up as the token Christian and saying "you're going to hell". Hopefully it was taken as the joke that it was.
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#343339 - 12/03/2011 19:08 Re: Apple's gone way too far with the new subscription rules. [Re: hybrid8]
andy
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Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5916
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
What I don't understand is why companies like Microsoft don't get caught by the same accounting rules. How can they give away IE, free version of VS.NET etc

Also, how do Apple get to give away Safari and iTunes on the Windows, why are they different to giving away XCode ?
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#343340 - 12/03/2011 23:13 Re: Apple's gone way too far with the new subscription rules. [Re: andy]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
Originally Posted By: JBjorgen
No offense taken. I don't categorize myself an extreme evangelical anyway. I was actually just trying to be funny by showing up as the token Christian and saying "you're going to hell". Hopefully it was taken as the joke that it was.

Yeah, and it did make me smile a bit smile. Just wanted to make sure to clarify the situation, since religion is often a touchy subject with some and my initial remark was a bit off the cuff. Living in the town where New Life Church and Focus on the Family are based helped to give me a bad taste. I actually attended service a few times back when New Life was just a small gathering in a strip mall, a far cry from where they are now.

Originally Posted By: andy
What I don't understand is why companies like Microsoft don't get caught by the same accounting rules. How can they give away IE, free version of VS.NET etc

Also, how do Apple get to give away Safari and iTunes on the Windows, why are they different to giving away XCode ?

It all depends on how it's on the books. I've never looked into how Microsoft classifies things on their financials, but Apple has been pretty weird in some cases. I think they may see themselves as a bigger target, so they really want to make sure everything is clean, to the point of probably going overboard at times. And I'm not certain about Safari and iTunes on Windows, Digging into the financial reports can quickly become mind numbing.

I started looking deeper into the SOX mess after John Dvorak kept mentioning it on a podcast. While he's sometimes full of hot air, his dislike of SOX and the impact on tech seems to be well founded. It has kept a few companies from starting the IPO process, due to the overhead needed just to make sure all the financials are in order. For smaller companies, it can easily add a noticeable percentage to their general operating costs.

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#343344 - 13/03/2011 02:43 Re: Apple's gone way too far with the new subscription rules. [Re: drakino]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
Quote:
since religion is often a touchy subject with some


Not as touchy as cell phone OS preference smile
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#343352 - 13/03/2011 14:46 Re: Apple's gone way too far with the new subscription rules. [Re: msaeger]
tanstaafl.
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Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 5546
Loc: Ajijic, Mexico
Originally Posted By: msaeger
Not as touchy as cell phone OS preference smile
Now there's an oxymoron for you. I mean, OS preference is a religion for many people.

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