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#351905 - 30/04/2012 17:55 Re: electric imp [Re: pca]
hybrid8
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Tracking device. That's my guess.
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#351941 - 01/05/2012 19:50 Re: electric imp [Re: hybrid8]
Phoenix42
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Registered: 21/03/2002
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Loc: MA but Irish born
Wired has leaked it frown

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#352095 - 11/05/2012 12:43 Re: electric imp [Re: Phoenix42]
Taym
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Registered: 18/06/2001
Posts: 2504
Loc: Roma, Italy
Will u please ship to EU since day 1? smile
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#352101 - 12/05/2012 00:04 Re: electric imp [Re: Taym]
gbeer
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Registered: 17/12/2000
Posts: 2665
Loc: Manteca, California
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The clamp itself isn’t strong enough to cause any pain, and the dorsal fin is actually not very sensitive due to it being composed primarily of cartilage.


B.S. Ears are primarily cartilage, I never liked it when mine was used to get my attention.
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#352108 - 14/05/2012 03:54 Re: electric imp [Re: Taym]
altman
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Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3457
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
Originally Posted By: taym
Will u please ship to EU since day 1? smile


Probably not... but it will be CE approved. EU might take a little time to get sorted out.

Not long now!

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#352181 - 16/05/2012 15:26 Re: electric imp [Re: altman]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
It seems an announcement has been made.

I was guessing home automation, and I wasn't far off.
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#352182 - 16/05/2012 15:26 Re: electric imp [Re: altman]
rob
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Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
The wraps are off..

http://www.electricimp.com/

http://gizmodo.com/electric-imp/

http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/16/electric-imp/

It's a fabulous idea - the demos are very impressive. I'm already working on a couple of geek projects involving them. Hugo will hit the big time with this one (to make up for that silly phone thing he worked on).

Rob

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#352183 - 16/05/2012 16:11 Re: electric imp [Re: rob]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
Spectactular. Hits the same nerve as things like the Arduino, from the quick look at it, but even more awesome. Really interested in getting into this. Tweeted this to all my hacker/maker friends just now. Awesome.
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#352185 - 16/05/2012 16:42 Re: electric imp [Re: tfabris]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
Congrats to both Hugo and Peter for the announcement today, looks like this could be really useful and a lot of fun to tinker with.

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#352188 - 16/05/2012 17:09 Re: electric imp [Re: wfaulk]
julf
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Registered: 01/10/2001
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Loc: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
So now we are just waiting for European availability.

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#352191 - 16/05/2012 18:14 Re: electric imp [Re: julf]
altman
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Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3457
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
....well, and US availability. Not until the end of June...

They will be CE approved from the start, but until we spin up some european servers, imps will be a little laggy in the EU smile

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#352192 - 16/05/2012 18:20 Re: electric imp [Re: altman]
rob
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Registered: 21/05/1999
Posts: 5335
Loc: Cambridge UK
If they lag too badly my cats are going to bump their heads. Won't somebody please think of the kitties?

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#352194 - 16/05/2012 18:23 Re: electric imp [Re: rob]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3584
Loc: Columbus, OH
So how long before this becomes the unofficial imp BBS? Might actually become relevant again. smile
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#352195 - 16/05/2012 18:24 Re: electric imp [Re: JBjorgen]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
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And how long before someone makes an imp-eg to control and possibly update their player?
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#352196 - 16/05/2012 18:28 Re: electric imp [Re: JBjorgen]
Cris
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Registered: 06/02/2002
Posts: 1904
Loc: Leeds, UK
Can't wait to replace the x10 I have with this stuff!!! Looks great!

Can already think of lots of uses, I hope it gets adopted and built into things quickly.

What is the prize for the first person to fit an imp into an empeg ???

smile

Cheers

Cris

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#352198 - 16/05/2012 18:33 Re: electric imp [Re: JBjorgen]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12338
Loc: Sterling, VA
Wow! So excited about this. I love home automation, and nobody has even done lighting correctly yet. I really look forward to seeing what becomes of this.
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#352199 - 16/05/2012 19:02 Re: electric imp [Re: Dignan]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14492
Loc: Canada
Cheap, simple WiFi connectivity.. something I've been wanting for eons! Though not too sure about the monthly fee thing.

Cheers

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#352200 - 16/05/2012 19:13 Re: electric imp [Re: mlord]
mlord
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Loc: Canada
Mmm.. USA-centric "sign up" page: doesn't accept postal codes from outside the USA.

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#352201 - 16/05/2012 19:22 Re: electric imp [Re: mlord]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14492
Loc: Canada
Heh.. looks like I'll have to beg one of my pals who has an iPhone to let me use it for a few seconds to configure the EI cards for our Wifi! smile

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#352205 - 16/05/2012 20:56 Re: electric imp [Re: mlord]
canuckInOR
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Registered: 13/02/2002
Posts: 3212
Loc: Portland, OR
Originally Posted By: mlord
Cheap, simple WiFi connectivity.. something I've been wanting for eons! Though not too sure about the monthly fee thing.

Yeah... me, neither. Can we run these things without "the cloud"?

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#352207 - 16/05/2012 21:18 Re: electric imp [Re: canuckInOR]
DWallach
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Registered: 30/04/2000
Posts: 3810
$25 per imp card plus the cost of imp-ized devices to hold them. I'm trying to comprehend the cost of doing every light switch in the house. It would get pricey. Consider what I've done now, the $40 "solar timer" switches I put into two sockets to control lights that I want to turn on automatically at night. What would an imp-ready light switch cost, such that I could program it to behave equivalently?

The other place in my house I'd really want an imp-ready thing would be my outdoor irrigation controller. When they installed it, I asked about a WiFi-ready model and the guy quoted me an astronomic price. No thanks. Vanilla model it is, for now.

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#352209 - 16/05/2012 22:06 Re: electric imp [Re: DWallach]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Yeah, I'd imagine the price point would have to fall quite a bit for it to be cost-effective in light switch type applications. Seems like medium to large appliances and hobbyist projects would be the initial market.

I'd be interested to see what the tech inside the card looks like as compared to, say, the Eye-Fi, which seems to do the same basic thing (albeit for a different purpose.) The Eye-fi developers often mention limited hardware capability on the SD as a limiting factor in supporting new features.

I'd also echo the earlier comments about the questionable decision to assess a monthly fee. Why not just build the price into the cost of the device instead? As others alluded to, it would definitely be nice to see an option to allow people to run a server at home instead of requiring connectivity to a cloud service. Maybe those who had the knowledge to stand up their own server could use it without paying the subscription fee?
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#352210 - 16/05/2012 22:34 Re: electric imp [Re: tonyc]
JBjorgen
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Hugo: how hard would it be to connect this thing to the ide bus on the empeg? They already make IDE to SD adapters (like this one). I'm assuming your card, while borrowing the form factor, is significantly different in the way it operates. Could one reasonably expect to use one of these to add wifi to the empeg?
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#352211 - 16/05/2012 23:25 Re: electric imp [Re: tonyc]
altman
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Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3457
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
Originally Posted By: tonyc
I'd be interested to see what the tech inside the card looks like as compared to, say, the Eye-Fi, which seems to do the same basic thing (albeit for a different purpose.) The Eye-fi developers often mention limited hardware capability on the SD as a limiting factor in supporting new features.


The same doesn't really apply; Eye-Fi has a huge NAND chip in there that we don't have to fit in ours - our antenna is also waaaay bigger. The hardware is obviously limited, but not *that* limited.

Originally Posted By: tonyc
I'd also echo the earlier comments about the questionable decision to assess a monthly fee. Why not just build the price into the cost of the device instead? As others alluded to, it would definitely be nice to see an option to allow people to run a server at home instead of requiring connectivity to a cloud service. Maybe those who had the knowledge to stand up their own server could use it without paying the subscription fee?


It doesn't really work like that. One reason is because card firmware is not something users will always have access to - a washing machine vendor isn't likely to open their code and so it needs to stay private. If people ran their own servers then they'd need the entire code database for every vendor in order to make things work seamlessly.

Subscription is for up to 20 cards in our current model for the same price - it's not exactly bad value. It's possible we'll offer cards with included subscription, but they'd obviously be more expensive.

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#352213 - 16/05/2012 23:27 Re: electric imp [Re: JBjorgen]
altman
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Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3457
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
Originally Posted By: JBjorgen
Hugo: how hard would it be to connect this thing to the ide bus on the empeg? They already make IDE to SD adapters (like this one). I'm assuming your card, while borrowing the form factor, is significantly different in the way it operates. Could one reasonably expect to use one of these to add wifi to the empeg?


That wouldn't work I'm afraid. You *could* use an imp for a serial bridge, but maybe that's not really what you were looking for in terms of wifi performance smile

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#352214 - 16/05/2012 23:28 Re: electric imp [Re: DWallach]
altman
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Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3457
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
Originally Posted By: DWallach
$25 per imp card plus the cost of imp-ized devices to hold them. I'm trying to comprehend the cost of doing every light switch in the house. It would get pricey. Consider what I've done now, the $40 "solar timer" switches I put into two sockets to control lights that I want to turn on automatically at night. What would an imp-ready light switch cost, such that I could program it to behave equivalently?


One per switch could get pricey, one per room on a new build is much more plausible though smile

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#352215 - 16/05/2012 23:45 Re: electric imp [Re: mlord]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
Originally Posted By: mlord
Cheap, simple WiFi connectivity.. something I've been wanting for eons! Though not too sure about the monthly fee thing.

Cheers


I agree there are getting to be too many things with a small monthly fee.
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#352216 - 17/05/2012 00:20 Re: electric imp [Re: altman]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
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Eye-Fi has a huge NAND chip in there


Relatively speaking. smile

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It doesn't really work like that. One reason is because card firmware is not something users will always have access to - a washing machine vendor isn't likely to open their code and so it needs to stay private. If people ran their own servers then they'd need the entire code database for every vendor in order to make things work seamlessly.


Fair enough. Maybe you could offer a less fully-featured server with more limited functionality (i.e. proprietary bits removed) for hobbyists to use, though?

Good to hear you're at least somewhat receptive to the idea of prepaid activation though. Seems like a win-win to me, you guys get cash up front and we don't have to worry about yet another subscription to manage.

I suppose the blog is the place to stay tuned for further announcements about manufacturers you're partnering with, etc.? Or is there some social media channel you're using that would be more up to date than that?
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#352217 - 17/05/2012 00:59 Re: electric imp [Re: tonyc]
Phoenix42
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I'm interested to see where this will go, ie the uses people and manufactures will come up with for this low cost internet connectivity, and whether I'd find value in these products. I don't need a bird feeder that tweets, or a washing machine that turns on during lower rates - though I understand the appeal to some. But I know others can imagine more wilder and useful things that could be done, and I'm sure some of those might open my wallet.

In the mean time can I have some yummie imp cupcakes?


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#352218 - 17/05/2012 01:05 Re: electric imp [Re: DWallach]
Dignan
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Registered: 08/03/2000
Posts: 12338
Loc: Sterling, VA
Originally Posted By: DWallach
$25 per imp card plus the cost of imp-ized devices to hold them. I'm trying to comprehend the cost of doing every light switch in the house. It would get pricey. Consider what I've done now, the $40 "solar timer" switches I put into two sockets to control lights that I want to turn on automatically at night. What would an imp-ready light switch cost, such that I could program it to behave equivalently?

If you don't count X10 products (because they're crap), then it seems the price might match current home automation levels. A typical Z-Wave light switch costs $50, so if the switch its self costs around $25 plus the EI, that would be about equivalent. Plus, you'd get far more than just a solar timer if this behaves the way I would assume. You would be able to set dimming levels and scenes, and control them remotely instead of just by the time.

Plus, this cloud-based service has the potential to make the programming and control of a light system much easier. Z-Wave is great, but if I ever need to change anything it's a nightmare. I can't just sit at a computer and fiddle with things, it takes a great deal of time and annoyance. The one area where Z-Wave has an advantage is that instead of WiFi, it uses its own proprietary mesh network. It's annoying and means you can't join it to a normal computer network, but it does create a rock-solid network with no range problems. Still, I'd trade that for better control any day.

ps- I should note that I didn't buy my Z-Wave products at that $50 level. I swooped into Radio Shack during a fire sale and bought up the stock from several stores AND a ton of stuff from their website. It was still expensive as hell, but less than half what it would be otherwise laugh

pps- just signed up for the newsletter. Mailchimp is great, BTW.


Edited by Dignan (17/05/2012 01:06)
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