Guys, I don't know about you, but news of technologies such as this scare me.
-mark
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-6818539.html?tag=mn_hd

...Still (barely, pending 1.1 release) proud to have owned an Empeg since 00287

If one of these ever lands in my hands, it's going right back to the store for the reason that it won't play in my car stereo.

I think I posted a link earlier to audiophiles complaining about sound distortion with the Macrovision developed solution. Public outcries from groups like that will definitly help more then "MP3 pirates" trying to voice their opponion.

and after you return it make sure to tell the good for nothing record company why you returned it

I wonder if columbia is planning on using this type of garbage wouldn't that be hypocritical

32Gig MK2 In 2001 VW Golf TDI

If there is a technical way to ensure that you can't copy a cd, trust me, there is a way to break it too.. Nothing in this world is unbreakable.

\\Kaare

Regards,
Kaare.

Mark II - S/N: 702

If there is a technical way to ensure that you can't copy a cd, trust me, there is a way to break it too..

Agree, but at that point the damage has already been done. AFAIK all of the protection schemes tried sofar cause damage to the recording. Funny enough the artifacts that these copy protection schemes introduce in the original recording are above capabilities of current compression techniques, such that (even illegal) MP3 copies remain unaffected and legitimate owners of the CDs have to live with impaired quality.





Henno
mk2 6 nr 6

I know there will be a way to break it, but what's the point? Currently, I hear a song that I like, I buy it, I rip it, I put it on my empeg...

Tomorrow, I'll hear a song that I like, I'll buy it, I'll rip it, it won't rip, I'll return it and download a cracked copy from DirectCopy or gnuetella

-mark

...Still (barely, pending 1.1 release) proud to have owned an Empeg since 00287

if it won't rip, I'll return it and download a cracked copy from DirectCopy or gnuetella

Yeah; you and I know, but it may take a long time before the record companies understand this.

BTW: Anybody know the details of a recent court case (Germany??) where a record company got sued for preventing a customer to make a copy for private use (his car if I remember correctly) . . . ?



Henno
mk2 6 nr 6

Actually, if somebody here comes across one of the CDs, please don't return it. Contact me. I'm looking to buy some of these, for research purposes, and I have no idea what titles I'm supposed to buy.

Somebody needs to figure out how to defeat these things...

The real problem with this protection scheme is that those original error codes were engineered and put in the CD recording format for a reason.....
"The ability for a consumer CD player to continue to play a CD without error if an imperfection was encountered while reading. Like a finger print or a smudge Etc.

Now with the newly inserted intentional errors introduced, the correction algorithm will be more prone to cause skips when actual imperfections are encountered by legitimate customers.
At the end of the day a customer will end up with less tolerant CD's that will play less accurately in regular players. this can easily be proven in a court of law.
and let me tell you - I really want to end up with one of these CD's so I can bring suit against the Record companies for invalidating the spec. I used to repair CD players and was educated on the tolerances of CD's for error correction. I used to use test CD's with specific flaws directly placed on the disc to test the correction algorithms in different players.
Let me tell you that the players are NOT made up equally and some fair much worse than others. I'm sure if this protection goes wide spread - very tiny imperfections will cause your $15.00 CD investment to not play worth a damn.

The consumer heat from this is very real. I will personally never buy another CD if this goes wide spread. And that would be a shame because I have certainly bought allot more CD's since being introduced to the MP3 world due to the sheer exposure to new music. Which is the REAL fear of the record companys as they do not want me to listen to anything they do not premote. *sigh This kind of stuff makes me very angry.

Flash...

There was a posting on the Pho list from someone claiming the Loveparade 2001 CD (techno compilation) was one of the ones with Macrovision.

I've not looked very hard for it yet, but will do when I have a moment...

Hugo

All of the statements I made in this thread over a year ago still stand.

In other recent thread, there was a link to an audio news site that had some relevant information. It was about how certain CD-R drives can read these copy protected discs, and it described one user who did precisely that: Duplicated the disc on a friend's compatible drive.

I stand by my original statement. This copy protection scheme will produce the exact opposite effect of what the record companies intended. The copy-protected albums will be traded more vigorously on the internet than the regular albums, precisely because of the protection.

___________
Tony Fabris

At some point I hope "somebody" creates a online web database that could keep track of CD's with the new protection imperfections.
Sort of like a CDDB database.
Thinking of that why not add a bit to the info in the CDDB database to alert anyone when encountering one of these nastys.

12Gb MKII 080000516 Blue

Speaking about suing... That CD-DA logo one sees on CDs means that the medium is made in compliance with one of those 'colored book' standards (I always forget which is which), right? Puting the logo on a disk that deliberately departs from the standard constitutes at least false advertising, right? It would be fun to force in court some of those morons to withdraw milions of CDs being falsely labeled as adhering to the standard .

Flash, if you ever sue them, be sure to provide us with details of your legal fund. I will cetrainly be wanting to participate.

Dragi "Bonzi" Raos
Zagreb, Croatia
Q#5196, MkII#80000376, 18GB green

All of the statements I made in this thread over a year ago still stand.

And a little bit further down the same thread is Rob Schofield's post here which I think still ranks as one of the best and most informative posts ever put on this bbs.

tanstaafl.

"There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch"