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#59828 - 16/01/2002 16:46 Install Help - '91 Ford Explorer EB edition
loren
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Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3824
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
Alirighty, I thought i could be a big man and install this puppy for my friend here at work with no problems... of course, i was wrong.

This is in a '91 Ford Explorer with the "premium sound" package, meaning it has a factory amp and sub.
There was an aftermarket head unit in place before, which was stolen, thus prompting the empeg purchase. The thieves were nice enough to leave the factory harnesses in place.

I got the electrical part down pat, no problems. Bought a harness adapter, soldered on the Rio Car ISO adapter, plugged it in, boom, works.

Now the speakers is what i need help with.

The factory amp has a plug in the dash that is square, and has two sockets for each speaker, one + one -. So we went and purchased an adapter at a local install shop, and i went to Rat Shack and picked up some Male RCA plugs to solder on to it, so it could be attached to the empeg line level out RCA's. I thought i knew how to wire them up, but plugging it in proved otherwise. Here is a crude drawing of the setup:

ford_amp_wiring.jpg

Two problems:

1. Something is wrong with the fact that i wired the - wire to the shield on the RCA. When the plugs are completely inserted, the sound is garbled and muted... but when i pull the plug out so that only the center + pin is insterted and the shield isn't making contact, all is well. Should the - not be connected at all to the RCA plug?!

2. All the speakers work fine (as long as the only the + terminal is making a connection as stated above)... with the exception of the Right Rear. When it is plugged in, the sound comes out of the Right Front speaker, and is very muted. I've quadruple checked the connections and checked that plug with every line level plug coming from the Rio sled, so it's not a problem with the Rio. It's wired correctly on the adaptor, no crossed wires, no solder touching, no pins out of place. Does anyone have any idea what would cause this? All the speakers worked properly before with the Sony head unit, so as far as i know the amp is wired correctly from the factory.

Thanks for any and all help! He's dying to get it working, as the hour long commute from South San Francisco to San Rafael is murder without tunes!
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#59829 - 16/01/2002 19:04 Re: Install Help - '91 Ford Explorer EB edition [Re: loren]
redbutt2
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Registered: 12/01/2002
Posts: 141
Loc: San Diego, CA
My recollection of RCA plugs is that the center is + and the shield is -. This is how I hooked up my Pathfinder (with a similar install method) and it works perfectly. However, I do remember reading somewhere that, in SOME, cases you should just leave the shield connection out (can't remember where and if anyone thinks I'm full of it, you might be right...but I swear I read this somewhere). That drawing doesn't show an Amp Remote Turn On connection...do you have that connected right?

As for the crossed speaker...got me?
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#59830 - 17/01/2002 00:28 Re: Install Help - '91 Ford Explorer EB edition [Re: redbutt2]
loren
carpal tunnel

Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3824
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
That's what i'm thinking... as it all seems to work perfectly without the Negative connection.

All the amp turn on and power wires are working fine, so that has no effect. Thanks for the advice... i'll do some more searching. =]

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#59831 - 17/01/2002 07:58 Re: Install Help - '91 Ford Explorer EB edition [Re: loren]
rtundo
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Registered: 27/02/2001
Posts: 569
Loc: Albany, NY
I'm not sure what the problem is. I used to own a similar explorer with the external amp, and I'm pretty sure (almost positive) that crutchfield has an adaptor ready to plug-in and go. (If you run out of options you may want to give them a call)

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#59832 - 17/01/2002 10:44 Re: Install Help - '91 Ford Explorer EB edition [Re: rtundo]
loren
carpal tunnel

Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3824
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
We've solved all the speaker problems by simply cutting the negative from the RCA sheilds. Now we just have to hunt down where the engine noise is coming from, and we're set. Must be a bad ground somewhere...
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#59833 - 17/01/2002 12:48 Re: Install Help - '91 Ford Explorer EB edition [Re: loren]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31244
Loc: Seattle, WA
I'm guessing that the engine noise and the "can't attach RCA negative" problem are the same thing. There's some sort of a serious ground loop problem going on.

How is power getting to this factory amp?
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#59834 - 17/01/2002 13:01 Re: Install Help - '91 Ford Explorer EB edition [Re: tfabris]
loren
carpal tunnel

Registered: 23/08/2000
Posts: 3824
Loc: SLC, UT, USA
It's all prewired. I didn't look at how the harnesses were connected to the amp because the Sony CD head unit that was in it before was working fine. It's almost definitely a ground problem... i just don't know enough about it to figure it out without some trial and error.
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#59835 - 17/01/2002 14:23 Re: Install Help - '91 Ford Explorer EB edition [Re: loren]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31244
Loc: Seattle, WA
Triple-check all fuses and all wiring connections. Maybe there's a blown fuse and it's grabbing power or ground through the RCA connections somehow?
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