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#60249 - 17/01/2002 13:05 North American english
maczrool
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Registered: 13/01/2002
Posts: 1649
Loc: Louisiana, USA
I don't know if this has been covered before, but is there a way to modify the empeg so that it displays north american english instead of the british spelling of such words as "equaliser," "synchronising," visulisations," etc.? In the US we all the letters in the alphabet, including the 'z'.

Would this be possible with a kernel hack or is this in the player's software? Has anyone tried? I'd much prefer that the player display "Equalizer" over "Equaliser."

Stu
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#60250 - 17/01/2002 13:11 Re: North American english [Re: maczrool]
pgrzelak
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Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
In the US we all the letters in the alphabet, including the 'z'.

HAHAHAH!

Try telling that to most telephone keypad manufacturers...

That is actually a slight pet peeve of mine with the RioRemote - in the US, most Q & Z keypads put the letters at 7 & 9 respectively. The RioRemote uses the 0...

- Paul Grzelak
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#60251 - 17/01/2002 13:15 Re: North American english [Re: maczrool]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
You could locate the strings in the player binary and hack them yourself, I suppose. You'd lose your fixes every time you upgraded.

Personally, I like seeing the original spellings.

Best thread on this subject is here:

Me: "You forget: It is we who have the accents. Remember where our language came from."

Rob: "Yeah, and if you're not careful we might ask for it back! "

Jambo: "Sounds good. Just meet us at Bunker Hill in Lexington, Massachusetts and we'll let you take it back. Oh, and bring the red coats. :-)"
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#60252 - 17/01/2002 13:18 Re: North American english [Re: pgrzelak]
jarob10
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Registered: 07/01/2002
Posts: 274
Loc: Stockport, UK
Now you know how it feels !!!!

You dont know how annoying it is to have to replace 'z' with 's' on every M$ spellcheck product.

I say leave things as they are as a mark of repect to the true English language


(Only joking by the way ....)
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#60253 - 17/01/2002 13:43 Re: North American english [Re: jarob10]
Chao
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Registered: 01/01/2002
Posts: 144
Whats wrong with that?

I don't care either way, Color, Colour, Gray, Grey, it's all english...

Of course, I live in Miami, where things are most times in Spanish, so I welcome traditional English spellings

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#60254 - 17/01/2002 14:56 Re: North American english [Re: jarob10]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
Posts: 7058
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
If you English are such purists why didn't you stick with us with the English measurement system? The U.S. now stands alone supporting all your damn inches, barrels, furlongs, and slugs. You let something written by *THE FRENCH* dominate the entire world. Now THAT's simply unacceptable!
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#60255 - 17/01/2002 15:00 Re: North American english [Re: tonyc]
Captain_Chaos
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Registered: 18/11/2000
Posts: 126
Loc: Amersfoort, The Netherlands
Isn't the US officially also on the S.I.?

You have 2 liter soda bottles, at least that's a good start... :-)

/Pepijn

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#60256 - 17/01/2002 15:07 Re: North American english [Re: Captain_Chaos]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
Ooh! No! Sacrilege!

You still see some old road signs occasionally that have ``km''s as well as ``mi''s back from the dark days of the late 70s when there was a real push for that to happen. But it's been left behind. I haven't heard anyone talk about metric conversion in years.
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#60257 - 17/01/2002 15:07 Re: North American english [Re: tonyc]
Yang
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Registered: 14/01/2002
Posts: 443
Loc: Raleigh, NC
Because they realized a long time ago that it sucked, but we, in our blind faith, kept on using it. Only now are we getting close to using both, and given annother 50 years, we might be using metric only.

And speaking of standards, does the Empeg use the Kibibyte/Mebibite/Gibibyte standard? I would guess not, with everyone throwing GB around.. Link.


Edited by Yang (17/01/2002 15:09)

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#60258 - 17/01/2002 15:26 Re: North American english [Re: Captain_Chaos]
andy
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Registered: 10/06/1999
Posts: 5916
Loc: Wivenhoe, Essex, UK
You see, they can't even spell litre...
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#60259 - 17/01/2002 16:23 Re: North American english [Re: Yang]
AlphaWolf
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As long as there are architects in the US, S.I. will live on. We (speaking for architects, since i'm not quite one, but have worked as a cad tech. for the past 6 years) will never change. And the US as a whole will never change until they start to teach it to kids in elementary schools. Of course they would have to teach both english and metric units. And once they start doing that, it'll take at least 2 generations to get used to it. But if it's not used in everyday life, then people start to forget metric. So that would mean that all the street signs would have to change, milage markers, packaging, etc. It would be way too expensive and time consuming. And americans are cheap and lazy, so in short, it's not gonna happen. Ever :~)
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#60260 - 17/01/2002 16:36 Re: North American english [Re: AlphaWolf]
Yang
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Registered: 14/01/2002
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Loc: Raleigh, NC
I know it's used in the medical profession now. As more an more industries start adopting metric measurements over Standard ones, then it'll be taught at earlier stages in the educational system.. The average burger-flipper doesn't need to know metric, so it'll be a while before it gets down to the elementary school level.

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#60261 - 17/01/2002 17:16 Re: North American english [Re: AlphaWolf]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
So that would mean that all the street signs would have to change, milage markers, packaging, etc. It would be way too expensive and time consuming. And americans are cheap and lazy, so in short, it's not gonna happen. Ever :~)

Err, how much did it cost to add all those nutritional labels that very helpfully state that a serving of sugar contains zero ounces of sodium?
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#60262 - 17/01/2002 17:19 Re: North American english [Re: wfaulk]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
But it's been left behind. I haven't heard anyone talk about metric conversion in years.

...except for those NASA guys who lost their Mars probe because somebody measured speed in furlongs per fortnight or something like that...
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#60263 - 17/01/2002 17:41 Re: North American english [Re: bonzi]
amaximow
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Registered: 23/07/2001
Posts: 111
bahhh! litres, pints. Just give me a 6-pack; that's a measurement we can all understand...
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#60264 - 17/01/2002 18:19 Re: North American english [Re: amaximow]
msaeger
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Registered: 23/09/2000
Posts: 3608
Loc: Minnetonka, MN
or bigmac's
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#60265 - 17/01/2002 18:24 Re: North American english [Re: andy]
ineedcolor
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Registered: 10/01/2001
Posts: 630
Loc: Windsor, Ontario Canada
Hey! I like them old ways, you see, my car gets 75 furlongs to the hogshead of distilled spirits....of course that's with 20 stone of cargo only
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#60266 - 17/01/2002 19:11 Re: North American english [Re: jarob10]
hybrid8
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Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
MS Have "ENGLISH" spelling dictionaries in addition to "AMERICAN" ones. I think I have multiple dictionaries for all my spell-check capable products.

Bruno
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#60267 - 17/01/2002 19:15 Re: North American english [Re: maczrool]
hybrid8
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Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
Please be correct when making this type of request. What you want is "American" spelling instead of "English." North America also includes Canada - and up here we write in English, not American.

The only time I write American is when preparing text for a mostly-US audience, such as product ReadMe files, etc.

I love the fact that words in the empeg software are not incorrectly written.

Bruno
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#60268 - 17/01/2002 20:20 Re: North American english [Re: AlphaWolf]
wfaulk
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Registered: 25/12/2000
Posts: 16706
Loc: Raleigh, NC US
I was taught Metric/SI/whatever in elementary school twenty years ago. Didn't seem to stick then....
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#60269 - 17/01/2002 21:17 Re: North American english [Re: AlphaWolf]
muzza
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Registered: 21/07/1999
Posts: 1765
Loc: Brisbane, Queensland, Australi...
Admittedly it was many years ago now, 1966, when Australia changed to metric. Dollars & cents not Pounds, Shillings & Pence; metres, litres etc. If a whole country wants to change they will. I dont see the drive for it at the moment, and the rest of the world tollerates it and compensates.

what we all really need is the decimal day!

Can you imagine the whole world agreeing to migrate to a different single time standard?
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#60270 - 18/01/2002 02:16 Re: North American english [Re: hybrid8]
Roger
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Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5683
Loc: London, UK
But America also includes Brazil, Chile, Argentina, etc., etc.. .
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#60271 - 18/01/2002 03:04 Re: North American english [Re: maczrool]
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Who do you think would win in a fight between an average American man and an average British man?

What about the baddest American against the baddest Briton? Lets see, we got Mr. T, Hulk Hogan, Rocky Balboa, George W. Bush.........who's Britain got?

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#60272 - 18/01/2002 03:29 Re: North American english [Re: AlphaWolf]
drakino
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Registered: 08/06/1999
Posts: 7868
Expensive comapired to my state spending tax dollars to put up .25, .5 and .75 mile markers along the major highways?

The best thing would be a law passed saying the US is switching over to the "standard" finally. And include in it a timeline of major conversion milestones, including a period where both are used. If most of europe can convert to one currency, then the US should have no huge problems converting measurements.

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#60273 - 18/01/2002 03:40 Re: North American english [Re: ]
peter
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Registered: 13/07/2000
Posts: 4180
Loc: Cambridge, England
What about the baddest American against the baddest Briton? Lets see, we got Mr. T, Hulk Hogan, Rocky Balboa, George W. Bush.........who's Britain got?

Vinnie Jones, Anne Robinson, Michael Caine in Get Carter, Lennox Lewis, and Margaret Thatcher?

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#60274 - 18/01/2002 04:31 Re: North American english [Re: drakino]
Roger
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Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5683
Loc: London, UK
It _can_ be done piecemeal. Weights and measures (except for pints of beer) are now supposed to be metric in the UK.

Metric's better -- a single measure got bigger .

Distances and speeds are still in miles and mph. Investing in changing road signs will be a major issue. One which will actually cost the government real money. With the weights and measures, the supermarkets bore the brunt.

Of course, persuading people to drive on the wrong side of the road will take a lot more effort.
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#60275 - 18/01/2002 04:35 Re: North American english [Re: peter]
Roger
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Registered: 18/01/2000
Posts: 5683
Loc: London, UK
Terence Stamp in The Limey?
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#60276 - 18/01/2002 05:18 Re: North American english [Re: Roger]
tms13
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Registered: 30/07/2001
Posts: 1115
Loc: Lochcarron and Edinburgh
In reply to:

Of course, persuading people to drive on the wrong side of the road will take a lot more effort.


Maybe we could get some of the cyclists here in Cambridge to teach us.

(Yes, I cycle in Cambridge, but on the left and with lights...)
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#60277 - 18/01/2002 05:20 Re: North American english [Re: Roger]
tms13
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Registered: 30/07/2001
Posts: 1115
Loc: Lochcarron and Edinburgh
In reply to:

Of course, persuading people to drive on the wrong side of the road will take a lot more effort.


I heard that it's to be done in a gradual manner. Coaches and lorries in 2005; cars, vans and minibuses a year later, and two-wheelers the year after that.

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#60278 - 18/01/2002 05:48 Re: North American english [Re: bonzi]
Captain_Chaos
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Registered: 18/11/2000
Posts: 126
Loc: Amersfoort, The Netherlands
But it's been left behind. I haven't heard anyone talk about metric conversion in years.

...except for those NASA guys who lost their Mars probe because somebody measured speed in furlongs per fortnight or something like that...


...or the Air Canada flight that almost crashed because the fuelers had mistaken kilos for pounds. It's a pretty amazing story. I once saw a TV-movie based on it, and thought it was a bad movie full of unbelievable coincidences, one of the worst clones of the standard Hollywood disaster movie, but then I heard it was a true story. A prime example of truth being stranger than fiction...

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#60279 - 18/01/2002 05:54 Re: North American english [Re: Yang]
Captain_Chaos
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Registered: 18/11/2000
Posts: 126
Loc: Amersfoort, The Netherlands
Because they realized a long time ago that it sucked, but we, in our blind faith, kept on using it. Only now are we getting close to using both, and given annother 50 years, we might be using metric only.

...or at least by the time of Star Trek TNG...

/Pepijn

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#60280 - 18/01/2002 09:34 Re: North American english [Re: Roger]
hybrid8
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Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
"United States of..." Smart-ass.

If we want to get picky, there's also Central/Latin America.

Bruno
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#60281 - 18/01/2002 09:37 Re: North American english [Re: ]
grgcombs
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Registered: 03/07/2001
Posts: 663
Loc: Dallas, TX
Not that this discussion should be posted here (try off-topic), but take any number of those Brits from "Snatch" and they'd be able to eat my lunch for sure. Mr. Desert Eagle Point 5-0!

Greg
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#60282 - 18/01/2002 09:39 Re: North American english [Re: hybrid8]
grgcombs
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Homer - "Psshh. English. Who needs that? I'm never going to England!"

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#60283 - 18/01/2002 09:44 Re: North American english [Re: AlphaWolf]
grgcombs
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Registered: 03/07/2001
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They taught me the metric system, but gave up when they realized we're too stoopid to uncode the S.I. system from our genetics ...

or something.
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#60284 - 18/01/2002 10:19 Re: North American english [Re: ]
Tim
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Registered: 25/04/2000
Posts: 1525
Loc: Arizona
Hell, don't piss them off. They had enough criminals to start up a prison colony on a continent for God's sake...

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#60285 - 18/01/2002 12:31 Re: North American english [Re: grgcombs]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31597
Loc: Seattle, WA
but take any number of those Brits from "Snatch" and they'd be able to eat my lunch for sure.

Yeah, I was about to respond with the same thing: The entire cast of "Snatch", or perhaps "Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels".

Great flicks.
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#60286 - 18/01/2002 18:05 Re: North American english [Re: tfabris]
altman
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Registered: 19/05/1999
Posts: 3457
Loc: Palo Alto, CA
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#60287 - 19/01/2002 13:07 Re: North American english [Re: Captain_Chaos]
hybrid8
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Registered: 12/11/2001
Posts: 7738
Loc: Toronto, CANADA
I'd rank the service of Air Canada somewhere in-line with budget airlines of the third world. What a complete POS. The worst flights I have ever been on (in terms of service and quality of the airplane) were the two AC flights I made last week.

The flight crews in BOTH directions were far more interested in chatting about their own little lives and squables than actually paying any type of attention to their passengers.

And don't get me started on the pathetic safety video on the miniscule monitors. And why having a second official language means undermining the service to English speaking travelers.

Bruno
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#60288 - 19/01/2002 14:10 Re: North American english [Re: maczrool]
mlord
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Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14493
Loc: Canada
Speak for yourself, yankee. The top half of North America (we cannucks) prefers English. And the lower quarter of North America mostly prefers Spanish. I believe it's just the folks from the narrow middle section of the continent that have trouble spelling words like colour, think a football is an oversized avacodo, and suffer from major hangups over sex and guns.

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#60289 - 19/01/2002 14:15 Re: North American english [Re: mlord]
Chao
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Registered: 01/01/2002
Posts: 144
"suffer from major hangups over sex"

Excepting for the oral majority, I what we say and what we do are usually very different

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#60290 - 19/01/2002 14:18 Re: North American english [Re: mlord]
mandiola
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Registered: 26/12/2001
Posts: 386
Loc: Miami, FL - Sioux Falls, SD
Hey shouldn't you be off programming Hijackv137? hehe j/k. I guess the saying goes "tamateo, tamAto". Language to me is all the same thing as long as everyone just understands what your getting at. Color, Colour... same thing .
One last thing (totaly off the language subject).. I noticed today and last night how one little office being networked can turn into the whole building. hehe, i have to return monday to install a new router and connect about 4 more computers.. uhhh just let me finish my 5months left of highschool before im thrown into slavery.. Well now I have a little free time to work on empegweb. hopefully i dont get any more calls. I guess now I have money for a new server, a belkin kvm switch, and gps for my empeg... ahhh what a day.

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#60291 - 20/01/2002 05:17 Re: North American english [Re: hybrid8]
jane
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Registered: 10/10/2000
Posts: 350
Loc: Copenhagen SW, Denmark
I have only travelled a couple of times with Air Canada,
And I must say I am impressed. They had much better
service than both Sabena and SAS which I used on
the same trip.

And excelent breakfast.

Marius (Escort Cab + Mark II)

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#60292 - 20/01/2002 05:18 Re: North American english [Re: peter]
jane
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Registered: 10/10/2000
Posts: 350
Loc: Copenhagen SW, Denmark
Ebenezer Scrooge... Jack the Ripper...

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#60293 - 20/01/2002 05:22 Re: North American english [Re: amaximow]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
6-pack of 1/3l, pint or 1/2l cans?
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#60294 - 20/01/2002 05:29 Re: North American english [Re: Tim]
bonzi
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Registered: 13/09/1999
Posts: 2401
Loc: Croatia
Yes, one continent for actual prisoners (those having been caught), and another for fugitives and an occasional landless noble


Edited by bonzi (20/01/2002 05:31)
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#60295 - 20/01/2002 09:05 Re: North American english [Re: bonzi]
Yang
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Posts: 443
Loc: Raleigh, NC
Or you could call them refugees from an oppressive tyrant.

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