Hey genius... Were your parents born in America? How about their parents? Their parents? I can't imagine you're more than three or four generations from someone who CAME OVER TO AMERICA ON A FUCKING BOAT. Just like the people who you want to keep out.

Would you agree that the Statue of Liberty is a symbol of American values? Well, the inscription on that most recognizable of American landmarks reads "Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." Well, mister, your family was at one time among those huddled masses who came over to this country, and if it weren't for America being open to immigrants, you'd be somewhere else, probably trying to keep everyone who doesn't look or talk like you out of THAT country like the closed-minded simpleton you are.

Look I was born in the US too, and I love America. America in many ways has been a great example to the world. Democracy in its truest form was born here, and America became as strong as we are by letting people with new, fresh ideas in. This country was built on the backs of people who weren't born here, but who realized what America stood for. By your intolerant comments, it's clear you have not the slightest idea what America really stands for.

Of course it's a privelege for anyone to immigrate to another country, and a VAST majority of American immigrants earn that privelege by being productive, law abiding citizens. The twenty cocksuckers who hijacked the planes on 9/11, and their maybe hundred or two hundred accomplices don't change that fact. Using 9/11 as an excuse to be intolerant towards immigrants goes against everything that made America country great.

Well said. ; ) A very similar even't happened on the mp3car.com bbs. It was just removed though because of the lack of taste.

on a side note " Can't we all just try and get along ; )"

southpark: "If you don't like your home team, man. Get the hell out of the stadium."
-Greg

Remind me not to get on your bad side.

Bruno

Woo hoo, I got rid of the addict status by hunkering down and spending way too much time on the BBS in the past two days. Ha.

BTW, on-topic for the forum, but offtopic for this thread... You going to have some cycles to play around with your empTriv soon? I have yet to install any extras on my player and figured it could be interesting.

I don't live in the US, but it's people talking the crap that I've seen you just write, that would make me ashamed if I did.

As a proud American, I concur with your assessment. I am thoroughly embarassed to have a compatriot talking like this, spewing garbage that nobody who truly understands America can believe. Yz33d is one of Hitler's brothers, his opinions don't belong in a country that became great through the cooperation of people from all nationalities.

BTW, on-topic for the forum, but offtopic for this thread... You going to have some cycles to play around with your empTriv soon? I have yet to install any extras on my player and figured it could be interesting.

Well, the beta I released way back when is fully functional, provided you're Linux-savy enough to get it installed.. (FTP it over, unzip it, put it in your startup/init script.) Many people complained that it didn't have an easy install (and if you don't have developer image installed, you're basically SOL), so the one thing it really needs now is to use some kind of common Empeg "easy install" program. I don't know if I have that kind of project in me right now with work and grad school, but I heard someone was working on a nice easy Empeg installer.

The one thing I did want to add is a few hundred more Simpsons questions I downloaded, and I wanted to tweak the scoring a bit. But I switched gears and did some work on an alarm clock app last weekend... I have difficulty focusing on one task, as you can probably tell by the fact that I was ed in a heated debate with a Klan member instead of working on my school project or developing Empeg stuff tonight.

Damn people interfering with further developement of the world greatest invention. How am I suppost to stay driving wrecklessly without new games?

-Greg

Start up an alarm clock thread in the programming section when you have the chance and inclination. It's something I think I'd want to run. Let me know when it's testable - the sooner I can forget my clock-radio the better.

Bruno

yn0t_: Extremely well said. You know, I don't think think it usually very productive to hurl insults, but I feel like the situation demands it. Thus:

This infantile, twisted dickwad is precisely why the killfile was invented.

Oh, gosh, he probably even got a little passive aggressive, attention-seeking thrill out of my insult for all I know, but I couldn't help myself. Go far away. Please.

Well someone did ask mlord for an alarm clock in the Hijack kernel, but he has correctly stated that it's a good thing to have in user space instead. Someone might beat me to it, but I figured I'd give it a shot. As soon as it's stable, I'll share it.

Re: alarm clock

I started looking at the developer section on riocar.org recently to see if I could figure out how to get started on a HH:MM:SS clock (a user space app with big, plain numbers that would run at boot in place of the player and read GPS/NMEA time from serial). Such a beast could save me from spending $200 on an Alfa rally clock!!

Anyhow, if anyone write an alarm clock app that just happens to do some or all of these things -- or if it is something I could work off of -- that'd be swell!

LOL You obviously want to piss a bunch of people off here. Just box the empeg back up, call SB and get a return auth. then give the money to charity. Go Away

Hmm. If you got "at" running on the empeg you could do something really simple like:

#!/bin/sh
echo "please insert a time in at format to start music" > disp
read a
echo "Enter a FID for a song to wake up to" > disp
read b
echo "/empeg/play/$b" > alarm

at $a -f alarm > disp

With /empeg/play/ being the correct path of couse and disp being something to send to the screen.

-Greg

Of course... But I think people were thinking of something more elegant that lets you set the alarm time without being at a shell prompt (i.e. using the remote and/or front buttons.) Entering a FID is kind of clunky too. Right now mine is just beeping for an alarm, but I plan on having it be able to play a user-defined playlist.

Definatly. But with that something more elaborate can be expanded. Im just not skilled enough in programming to do so right now.

-Greg

You beat me to reminding our friend that almost all of Americans are rather recent immigrants (ah, those timezones!)

Note also his opinion that state religion is OK thing, as long as it is his religion

Now, Tony, this is a kind of American patriotism that I like. Well said, indeed.

Hybrid,

You envision the government of the US as the heart and soul of the country by calling people 'burdens' of the government. The people are the heart and soul of the country in America. With out the people, there would be no powerful government or powerful military. I guess it's an understandable mistake since you live in a socialist society.

yn0t_,

When my ancestors came, they were welcome. There was room. They weren't a threat to the country. Nobody back then came with malicious intentions. Now it's a problem. Imagine a elevator where when you get on there's only two other people on it with you. Then it starts to fill up. It fills up where no more can fit comfortably. Are you going to gladly welcome the next guy to get in? What if you think he might have a bomb strapped to him? Maybe not all foreigners should be kicked out, but it's getting ridiculous. Something has to be done. Like for starters, if they come here to go to school, we need to check on them and make sure they really are going to school.

Didn't you see Pakistani's dancing in the streets on tv after the attacks? Tell me why we should just let them come and go as they please?

bonzi,

No I didn't say that state religion is ok as long as it's mine. Remember the outcry from the left when Ashcroft was appointed Attorney General because he was a christian? What should he do, give up his beliefs while he's in office? The government shouldn't sponsor or hold back any particular religion, but it gets ridiculous when people attack government employees for having personal beliefs.

You said this: Did you know most of the hijackers were here legally?

Then this: Maybe not all foreigners should be kicked out, but it's getting ridiculous. Something has to be done. Like for starters, if they come here to go to school, we need to check on them and make sure they really are going to school.

They seem to contradict each other a small bit.

"many were in their late twenties and thirties, most with college educations, and had lived for prolonged periods of time in western countries."

Ok, so we check on every foreigner, and still miss someone dangerous. And that's assuming that every terrorist act is committed by a foreigner. People seem to forget that there was a certain incident in Oklahoma City a few years back involving a US born citizen, or a certain mail bomber who was also born in the US.

I think the worst thing beyond the actual tragedy to come out of 9/11 is the fact that we saw a resurgence in racism. Almost to the point of the crap that happened in the middle part of the last century.

All that I am trying to say is that we can't let people who hate America into the country.

On Ashcroft: nobody attacked his personal beliefs. The problem was Ten Commandmens he kept in his courtroom (and admitted he 'considers' them when coming to his decisions). How does judge who applies 'I am the Lord your God, ..., you shall have no other gods besides Me' in his courtroom enforce the constitutional principle of all citizens being equal before the law, regardless of, among others, religious belief?

And if you think fundamentalist Christianity is more tolerant of non-believers than Islam, remember what it has in store for them in afterlife (and this life is but a valey of tears anyway, no?)

And I am sure Bruno (hybrid8) and our other Canadian members are preparing revolution to topple their oppresive, anti-democratic government and its abhorrent institutions like, for example, universally available health care

Oh to be gifted with such a simple view of the world. I'm sure the hijackers simply just "hated" The United Sates. Yeah, that's it.

Again, I point you to the fact, that the biggest criminals you have in your country are raised and born Americans. Most of them haven't had the chance to perpetrate any mass-scale atrocities, I'll grant you that. The biggest burdens in your country, are your own home-raised problems. Not people coming in from other countries legally. These statements go back to what you originally said. You can't twist topics around to change that fact.

If your attitudes gain prevalence, you'll find that most "foreigners" entering your country will "hate" the United States. They won't be there to cause trouble. They'll more than likely be there on business and will be itching to get the hell out.

Maybe you can begin investing in a project to wall up your borders and eliminate all foreign travel (that includes US citizens leaving the country).

Bruno

Besides, without "foreigners" what would the state of music be like in the United States? Everyone would be stuck listening to the crap you've been quoting from Vanilla Ice. Oh wait, no they wouldn't. The only reason he managed to record anything was by ripping off talent from the UK. I guess you'd still have all your wonderful cultural ditties about 5.0 Mustangs and 9mm hand guns - just with very little in the way of background rhythm.

BTW, nice US flag. Still see you're ripping off other people's artwork and bandwidth. Great way to demonstrate the American Way. Lucky I know enough true Americans to know better.

I don't know why I'm responding. You're obviously too bigoted and ignorant to understand. But here it goes, anyway.

People are the burden of the government in every society. If the people weren't a burden, there would be no need for government. This is generally referred to as Utopia. However, there will, unfortunately, always be people who feel that it is their due to damage other people's rights. There must be a final arbiter of whose rights are to be upheld, and it is the job of the government in any country, be it Republican, Socialist, Communist, or whatever, to be that arbiter. There would also be no need for government if there were no people at all. Government is indended to be a function of the people, for the people, by the people. This has been twisted in many societies to minimze who ``the people'' are, but this sort of corruption is still fairly minimal in the United States.

First, I think the indigenous peoples of this continent would disagree, to say the least, with your statement that the immigrants to their land weren't a threat. But you're right in that there is no reason to let anyone in who probably has a bomb. But basing whether or not he has a bomb on his ethnic origin is ridiculous. Examine the internment camps for US citizens during World War II. Did they prevent any spying? Perhaps, but at the cost of the freedom who had no intention of spying. Did it prevent any German spying? Assuredly not. Because they look just like ``we'' do, despite the fact that they were as ``evil'', if not more so, than the Japanese. If we had been attacked by a group of Swedes, would you suggest that we throw all Swedes out of the country? A determination of whether or not a person has a bomb should be come to by, well, determining whether they have a bomb. If this must be a search, then all people should be searched, not just the ones who some random official deems likely. At the same time, there's no reason (other than financial) why we shouldn't enforce visas more carefully.

To jump back, your statement that Islam is ``evil'' is outrageous. I'll leave it at that. If you're not interested enough in investigating your claims before you espouse them, there's no point in trying to teach you. Ashcroft's nomination was not objected to because he was Christian. It was objected to because his personal beliefs seemed to override the responsibility to performing his job duties, according to his political record. This becomes a bigger issue when your job is that of Attorney General, as it becomes your job to enforce the laws of the country, whether you believe in them or not. It is far from the duty of that office to determine what the laws mean, or to decide which ones are valid. In his defense (shudder), he seems to have mostly followed the doctrines of this country, up to this point. It was, apparently, GWB that decided to forego the lawsuit against Microsoft, for example. I still don't trust the man any farther than I could throw him, though.

All that I am trying to say is that we can't let people who hate America into the country.

See, this is the same frickin thing you did with the original debate over "the future of Empeg." You come out and say all this ignorant, negative crap, and then you try to back off your points when confronted with realities of the situation.

What you originally said, AND I QUOTE, was that "any foreign GUESTS should be sent home." Now you just want to keep the ones who hate the country out? Come on, chief. Stick to your guns or admit you're wrong... Don't try to backpedal and slther out of it. That's just weak.

NOBODY on this BBS would want somoene who truly hates their country to enter their borders. However, the kind of intolerance you showed in your earlier posts goes way beyond a simple desire to protect against threats, and shows you have hate towards anyone who doesn't look like you, act like you, and share your beliefs. Save that garbage for your next Ku Klux Klan meeting, will ya?

And I am sure Bruno (hybrid8) and our other Canadian members are preparing revolution to topple their oppresive, anti-democratic government and its abhorrent institutions like, for example, universally available health care

Hey, we all know Canada is "America Lite." All the taste, half the calories, but somehow less satisfying.

(Great.. Now I'm starting a civil war with Canada... I can see the Canadian Navy paddling their way to the shores of Lake Ontario as we speak!)

ROFL !!

I'm not back peddaling yn0t. There's no easy to way to tell who hates america and who doesn't, so just throwing them all out would be a solution.

And I know for a fact that the Koran states straightforward that it is the duty of Muslims to kill the infedels.

IMHO the 'narrowing' of who 'the people' is done by the current Administration goes along, shall we say, financial lines. In addition to Microsoft and Enron debacles, there are numerous other examples. Take the measures to help aviation industry in the wake of Sep 11: mega-airlines got huge financial aid promptly. Military suddenly decided they desperatly needed all those Boeing 767s from orders cancelled by airlines. In the meantime, thousands of mom-and-pop FBOs, flight schools, air taxi operators, flight instructors and other harmed (and often forced out of business) by ridiculous restrictions on GA got zilch (so far). He who has shall be given, it would seem...

Well, I'm sure we wouldn't do much of anything unless it really came down to it. The last time Canada was at war with the US, we pushed you guys all the way down south, burned down your White House and then decided to come back up to colder climates.

Then again, I wasn't actually born here. I'm a "foreigner."

Bruno

And I know for a fact that the Koran states straightforward that it is the duty of Muslims to kill the infedels.

In 8th to 10th century (IIRC) there were several Moorish Islamic caliphates on Iberian peninsula, the most important one being in Cordoba. It was common that Great Vesire (something like secretary of state) be a Christian, main court physitian a Jew... Scientists in those caliphates translated works of Greek philosophers and physitians, Indian astronomers and mathematicians... and it was through those translations we know of them today. For example, this is the way the concept of positional numbering system with zero came to Europe. Well, of course, Christian Europe could not tolerate this situation. Moors were driven from Spain, and thus Dark Ages begun......

As this simplified history shows, The things are not that simple (TM). All faiths derived from original Jewish religion have strong element of xenophobia. All are based on fear from authority. All promise eternal damnation to non-believers. Christianity was amended a bit with New Testament idea of love, but all attrocities done in the name of Chrisitan God were done after Christ spoke about love. No religion is bad. No religion is better than others. What is bad is use of any religion in political purposes.

You are wrong. The Quran explicitly forbids killing. There are references to what you say in the reported sayings of Mohammed, but these are not the Quran, and it is not expected that they all really come from Mohammed. There are references to fighting the Unbelievers in the Quran (cf. Surah 48:29 and Surah 47:4), but they explicity refer to holding prisoners.

You might also want to keep in mind that Islam is directly descended from the same religions that became Judaism and Christianity. They all believe in the same God. The reason that Islam believes that Jews and Christians are unbelievers is because they believe in other Gods, Ezra (Surah 9:30) and Jesus (ibid. and Surah 5:72).

So you might want to consider what it is that you ``know''.