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#259887 - 07/07/2005 02:20 Music management on Linux no longer sucks.
tonyc
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http://prokyon3.sourceforge.net/

The release candidate version has almost everything I want from a music metadata / organization application. Clean UI (despite being X-based), easy to mass edit tags, and cool bells and whistles like automatically importing album covers, band bios, album reviews, etc. And it stores all its data in MySQL, so adding on custom backend stuff looks pretty easy. The one big missing thing is customizable file renaming based on tag data (it only seems to have two hard-coded filename formats) but that's easily remedied with a bit of coding which I'll probably do and submit as a patch.

Anyway, if you're like me and are sick of relying on Windows apps manage your music, give this a shot.
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#259888 - 07/07/2005 12:32 Re: Music management on Linux no longer sucks. [Re: tonyc]
eliceo
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This looks really cool. If you have it installed what does the 'SQL' tab do. Can I query using sql in that tab? Do you know how the front end interacts if using windows client, ie can it get data / files from a server ?

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#259889 - 07/07/2005 13:04 Re: Music management on Linux no longer sucks. [Re: tonyc]
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Wow. That looks pretty slick. And I like the fact that it (apparently) doesn't play the music itself. My biggest problem with iTunes (and there were many) was that if I just wanted to play a single track, maybe like a sample from Amazon or something, it wanted to import it into the iTunes database and play it, which meant waiting ages and dealing with all the crap leftover in the iTunes database afterwards.

I'm going to have to give this a shot.
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#259890 - 07/07/2005 15:11 Re: Music management on Linux no longer sucks. [Re: tonyc]
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How does it handle VA albums? I tag mine with the real artist and have the tracks in a playlist on the empeg (and in a directory on my fileserver). Does procyon automatically determine artists/albums or does it base it on the structure that already exists? If it's the former, that could be a real problem.
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#259891 - 07/07/2005 15:13 Re: Music management on Linux no longer sucks. [Re: eliceo]
tonyc
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If you have it installed what does the 'SQL' tab do. Can I query using sql in that tab?


Yes, depeneding on what you want to do. It prepends "SELECT * FROM tracks WHERE" to the query, anything you type in the box.

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Do you know how the front end interacts if using windows client, ie can it get data / files from a server ?


I'm not sure what you're asking here about getting data / files from a server. It can operate on music libraries stored on another server via SMB / NFS shares, but it doesn't do the sharing for you.

My music is on Linux but my whole goal was to get rid of a Windows client, so I just run it on the file server. If they had a Mac client ready I might try that, but OS X's dealings with SMB shares are not always pleasant.

Happy birthday, by the way.
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#259892 - 07/07/2005 15:22 Re: Music management on Linux no longer sucks. [Re: wfaulk]
tonyc
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Does procyon automatically determine artists/albums or does it base it on the structure that already exists? If it's the former, that could be a real problem.


Well, it uses the tags that are already there. My tracks on VA albums all have the real track artist in the artist field and that's reflected in the Prokyon3 database.

Note that it doesn't do anything with your directory structure, or doesn't seem to... So if you rename an album inside the program, it's not doing anything about the fact that those MP3s are in a folder that you would also like to be renamed. However, if you rename the directories or move them around, it will adjust for that when you synchronize, and they purport to have heuristics to detect "these files were moved around" rather than interpreting it as a delete and then an add (so you don't lose associated metadata that's not in the tags, like album covers. etc.) I haven't tested any of this, of course.
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#259893 - 07/07/2005 15:29 Re: Music management on Linux no longer sucks. [Re: tonyc]
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What I mean is that I notice on the left side of many of the screenshots there is a hierarchical list of Artist+Album. I have a number of VA albums. I tag the tracks in those albums with the correct artist name. Where will those tracks show up in that list? Will there be one-track albums for each different artist on that VA album, or will there be an entry for the album itself? In the best of all worlds, it'd be both.

Then you get into the possibility of having multiple VA albums with the same title, which isn't something that affects me (yet), but it could.
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#259894 - 07/07/2005 15:32 Re: Music management on Linux no longer sucks. [Re: tonyc]
eliceo
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The sql part sounds cool too.

Even if it doesn't stream just tag/file manipulation would be cool. Besides my music is already on a linux box.

I'll have to check this out later. Thanks for the suggestion.


Edited by eliceo (07/07/2005 15:44)

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#259895 - 07/07/2005 15:39 Re: Music management on Linux no longer sucks. [Re: wfaulk]
tonyc
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Where will those tracks show up in that list?

As single-track albums under the artist. It has no concept of the album artist, or album playlists, or anything like that. I'm not sure I've seen any structure that works the way you want it to.

It does support playlists, though I'm not sure how it integrates them into that hierarchical view.
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#259896 - 07/07/2005 16:01 Re: Music management on Linux no longer sucks. [Re: tonyc]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
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OK, so there's a separate album-centered hierarchical view that organizes Soundtracks, Compilations, etc. Probably not as automated as you're hoping for but it seems to work well as long as you're willing to manually mark the albums as Soundtracks, etc. after you import them. It does clobber the comment field with "Soundtrack" etc. to do this, though, so if you use comments for anything else, it might not be ideal.
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#259897 - 08/07/2005 15:43 Re: Music management on Linux no longer sucks. [Re: tonyc]
bbowman
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Registered: 12/05/2002
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I think This is what I've been looking for. I notice that it supports ogg, does that include FLAC?
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#259898 - 08/07/2005 16:09 Re: Music management on Linux no longer sucks. [Re: bbowman]
tonyc
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Registered: 27/06/1999
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The release candodate version says it does, and it links in libFLAC++ or whatever it's called. but I haven't tried messing with my FLAC files yet.

Oh, one major gripe I have, it seems that their ID3v2 tagging truncates fields at 30 chars, which is bogus. I need to figure out why it's doing that. No reponse from the developers yet.

Also, for anyone who's feeling adventurous enough to live on the bleeding edge, I submitted a patch to allow renaming of files based on a custom template. Check the prokyon3 sourceforge page under "patches."


Edited by tonyc (08/07/2005 16:16)
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#259899 - 10/09/2005 18:47 Re: Music management on Linux no longer sucks. [Re: tonyc]
Schido
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this one is nice too:

http://amarok.kde.org/

(no i'm not using kde)
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