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#218846 - 17/06/2004 15:28 Ghosts in the Machine ?
LTJBukem
enthusiast

Registered: 18/07/2001
Posts: 299
My Empeg whilst docked seems to have a mind of it's own !!

I leave it on so I can stream from it, bit it seems to turn itself on (ooo er) randomly

I think this is related to the Vol Knob problem, as sometime the Volume bar comes up, but mostly the player just comes out of standby.

Anyone else have similar experiences / or solutions ... ?
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#218847 - 17/06/2004 15:30 Re: Ghosts in the Machine ? [Re: LTJBukem]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31578
Loc: Seattle, WA
Somebody sending serial commands to it? Or perhaps commands over the web (weren't you talking about leaving it web-exposed in another thread?)? It's what Mark was talking about when he said that stripping down CharcoalGray's interface isn't enough, you also need to disable certain commands in hijack itself.
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#218848 - 17/06/2004 15:40 Re: Ghosts in the Machine ? [Re: LTJBukem]
LTJBukem
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Registered: 18/07/2001
Posts: 299
Which Hijack command(s) would I use to completely disable commands ? I've read the FAQ but I don't completely understand.

The player has been doing this for a while and has only today been web exposed. It is also web exposed behind password protection anyhow.
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#218849 - 17/06/2004 15:45 Re: Ghosts in the Machine ? [Re: LTJBukem]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31578
Loc: Seattle, WA
Hm, then take a look at the other threads about people's players waking up in the car, it's been discussed before, I don't know if a solution was found.
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#218850 - 17/06/2004 15:59 Re: Ghosts in the Machine ? [Re: tfabris]
pgrzelak
carpal tunnel

Registered: 15/08/2000
Posts: 4859
Loc: New Jersey, USA
Not found, but I have a slight update on that one. I have been using a backup player in the car while my primary is being "enhanced". I find that I am no longer having the wake-up problem, and that it is going to sleep properly.

I suspect that it might be one of the first symptoms of the power source indicator leaf switch starting to fail. My guess at what is happening is that the switch is seeing bounce, and it is enough to trigger the player (with power being provided through the sled connector) to recognize a "change in power state" and boot.
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#218851 - 10/05/2006 22:02 Re: Ghosts in the Machine ? [Re: pgrzelak]
petteri
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Registered: 02/08/2004
Posts: 434
Loc: Helsinki, Finland
Dragging up an old thread here as I'm having the same problem. It was happening in the car today. I first I thought it was the IR picking up a bit of sunlight and powering up, then it happened a few more times. I now have the Empeg (2.0 final, MK2A) in a Mark Lord dock and its doing the same thing. Has anyone nailed this down? Tomorrow I'm setting the standby to 1 second so at least it won't power on in the car while I'm parked somewhere. Yes, I almost always take it out, but I do forget sometimes esp at home at the end of the day.

Oddly enough my Sirius radio also started acting up today, changing channels by itelf. Perhaps something's in the air?


Edited by petteri (10/05/2006 22:03)

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#218852 - 10/05/2006 22:06 Re: Ghosts in the Machine ? [Re: petteri]
tfabris
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Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31578
Loc: Seattle, WA
Since this thread was posted, there have been more instances of this, and most of the causes were tracked down.

Unfortunately, the FAQ is down at the moment, and the Wiki doesn't have all the troubleshooting topics entered into it yet. Hm. Wonder if there is a cache...
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#218853 - 10/05/2006 22:09 Re: Ghosts in the Machine ? [Re: tfabris]
tfabris
carpal tunnel

Registered: 20/12/1999
Posts: 31578
Loc: Seattle, WA
Nope, not cached that I can find.

I seem to recall the most common cause of this is either "Lost Interrupts" due to a solder joint problem on the IR receiver, or stray signals from the stalk interface.

There was a hijack command to disable the stalk interface, a BBS search for it should come up with the relevant thread.

For the lost interrupts problem, watch the serial port and see if you get a bunch of lost interrupts messages.
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#218854 - 10/05/2006 22:32 Re: Ghosts in the Machine ? [Re: tfabris]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14485
Loc: Canada
The latest Hijack versions also include fixes for a potential cause of problems like this -- the extmute signal bouncing around.

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#218855 - 10/05/2006 23:38 Re: Ghosts in the Machine ? [Re: mlord]
petteri
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Registered: 02/08/2004
Posts: 434
Loc: Helsinki, Finland
Thanks guys! After the Sabres - Senators game is over I'll take a quick look!

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#218856 - 11/05/2006 00:09 Re: Ghosts in the Machine ? [Re: tfabris]
tanstaafl.
carpal tunnel

Registered: 08/07/1999
Posts: 5544
Loc: Ajijic, Mexico
I seem to recall the most common cause of this is either "Lost Interrupts" due to a solder joint problem on the IR receiver, or stray signals from the stalk interface.


For what its worth, mine was caused by putting a package on top of my remote which was in the passenger seat.

tanstaafl.
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#218857 - 11/05/2006 04:32 Re: Ghosts in the Machine ? [Re: petteri]
sein
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Registered: 07/01/2005
Posts: 893
Loc: Sector ZZ9pZa
Mine did the same when it had a worn encoder. Wiggle the volume knob around gently without turning it. If it wakes up, time to replace the encoder.

If you look at LTJ's post at the top, I'm sure he's definately got this problem.
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#218858 - 11/05/2006 09:08 Re: Ghosts in the Machine ? [Re: sein]
petteri
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Registered: 02/08/2004
Posts: 434
Loc: Helsinki, Finland
Quote:
Mine did the same when it had a worn encoder. Wiggle the volume knob around gently without turning it. If it wakes up, time to replace the encoder.

If you look at LTJ's post at the top, I'm sure he's definately got this problem.


Yep, that's it. Damn, I had just got this unit back from Stu to fix the IDE header.....

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#218859 - 19/05/2006 10:43 A Hijack fix for the loose knob wakeup? [Re: petteri]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14485
Loc: Canada
Quote:
Quote:
Mine did the same when it had a worn encoder. Wiggle the volume knob around gently without turning it. If it wakes up, time to replace the encoder.

If you look at LTJ's post at the top, I'm sure he's definately got this problem.


Yep, that's it. Damn, I had just got this unit back from Stu to fix the IDE header.....


Okay. This looks simple enough to deal with in Hijack. I can have Hijack just *ignore* the knob when in "sleep/standby" mode. A button press (any button) will still wake up the player, same as now. Vote:
Ignore Knob when in Standby?
Only one choice allowed


Votes accepted starting: 19/05/2006 01:43
You must vote before you can view the results of this poll.

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#218860 - 19/05/2006 11:12 Re: A Hijack fix for the loose knob wakeup? [Re: mlord]
JBjorgen
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Registered: 19/01/2002
Posts: 3583
Loc: Columbus, OH
I don't imagine you can just make it an option in the config.ini?
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#218861 - 19/05/2006 13:05 Hijack v460: fix for the loose knob wakeup [Re: mlord]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14485
Loc: Canada
Done.

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#218862 - 19/05/2006 14:10 Re: Hijack v460: fix for the loose knob wakeup [Re: mlord]
Robotic
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Registered: 06/04/2005
Posts: 2026
Loc: Seattle transplant
<shakes head in amazement>

Wow. Not only that; Thanks, Mark!
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#218863 - 19/05/2006 14:30 Re: Hijack v460: fix for the loose knob wakeup [Re: mlord]
AudunE
journeyman

Registered: 08/10/2004
Posts: 53
Loc: Trondheim, Norway
All HW and SW should have Mark-Lord-support!

Thanks for your time and energy!
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#218864 - 19/05/2006 15:47 Re: Hijack v460: fix for the loose knob wakeup [Re: AudunE]
eliceo
enthusiast

Registered: 18/02/2002
Posts: 335
Yeah thanks Mark. I think my player may be doing this too. My rotary encoder is worn, but I deal with it.

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#218865 - 19/05/2006 16:40 Re: Hijack v460: fix for the loose knob wakeup [Re: eliceo]
petteri
addict

Registered: 02/08/2004
Posts: 434
Loc: Helsinki, Finland
Wow! Thanks! Uploading newest build now! ;-)

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#218866 - 20/05/2006 23:18 Re: Hijack v460: fix for the loose knob wakeup [Re: AudunE]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14485
Loc: Canada
Quote:
All HW and SW should have Mark-Lord-support!


Heh.. around our place here, everything does.

(thanks guys, I appreciated that!)

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#218867 - 21/05/2006 07:22 Re: Hijack v460: fix for the loose knob wakeup [Re: mlord]
ChristianAC
new poster

Registered: 31/08/2005
Posts: 11
@mlord

btw. can you also hijack some tuner-code ??

The RDS is able to switch between different frequencies offered
by the RDS radio station but it only remembers the last
used frequency when you turne back to the tuner after
using the tuner for a longer time. The problem is
that you drove out of the region where that special
frequency was usable. When it is able to remember all
the other frequencies the tuner can start a search if one
of tha frequencies can bring back the radio station.

Regards

Chrsitian

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#218868 - 21/05/2006 11:03 Re: Hijack v460: fix for the loose knob wakeup [Re: ChristianAC]
mlord
carpal tunnel

Registered: 29/08/2000
Posts: 14485
Loc: Canada
Nope.

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#218869 - 21/05/2006 12:25 Re: Hijack v460: fix for the loose knob wakeup [Re: mlord]
ChristianAC
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Registered: 31/08/2005
Posts: 11
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